Big 12 (10) coaching staff rank ‘em

[BigTime]

The Columbia Tribune offered up their thoughts last week. How would you rank the coaches in our conference right now based on an average of their X and Os coaching, recruiting, leadership etc...

Mine:

1. Rick Barnes
2. Bill Self
3. Frank Martin
4. Lon Kruger
5. Scott Drew
6. Billy G
7. Travis Ford
8. Frank Haith
9. The Mayor
10. Kennedy ( I really think 9 and 10 are about equal right now)

The Barnes number 1 ranking will draw some disagreement but I am still in amazement of how that guy can pull top talent (better than KU imo) to a school that could care less about basketball. Bill’s the better gameday coach but I think Rick could do just as well if not better than Bill if he were the coach in Lawerence.

If it were based soley on recruiting I would go:

Barnes
Drew
Self
Ford
Haith
Martin
Kruger
Billy G
Kennedy/Hoiberg

 

[WTSooner]

Bill Self
Rick Barnes
Lon Kruger
Billy G
Frank Martin
Scott Drew
Travis Ford
Frank Haith
The Mayor
Kennedy

 

[5hrenergy]

The Columbia Tribune offered up their thoughts last week. How would you rank the coaches in our conference right now based on an average of their X and Os coaching, recruiting, leadership etc...

Mine:

1. Rick Barnes
2. Bill Self
3. Frank Martin
4. Lon Kruger
5. Scott Drew
6. Billy G
7. Travis Ford
8. Frank Haith
9. The Mayor
10. Kennedy ( I really think 9 and 10 are about equal right now)

The Barnes number 1 ranking will draw some disagreement but I am still in amazement of how that guy can pull top talent (better than KU imo) to a school that could care less about basketball. Bill’s the better gameday coach but I think Rick could do just as well if not better than Bill if he were the coach in Lawerence.

If it were based soley on recruiting I would go:

Barnes
Drew
Self
Ford
Haith
Martin
Kruger
Billy G
Kennedy/Hoiberg

Why does it amaze you that UT gets talent? It's the big dog in one of the best states for talent, has fantastic facilities, and wins. I'd be surprised if they didn't land talent.

Barnes being #1, no. The guy usually has a loaded roster and fails to produce. Last year he had the league won before his annual collapse.

1. Self (not sure how this is disputed with 7 straight titles)
2. Billy G
3. L. Kruger
4. Barnes
5. Frank Martin
6. Kennedy
7. Drew
8. Ford
9. Haith
10. Hoiberg

 

[Sawyer]

Any list without Self at the top spot is just trying to be provocative. He's the clear #1.

I clicked on this thread ready to defend Mizzou (coaching staff rank 'em). The staff Haith put together could hold its own with most in the conference. I see it's just the head coaches, though, so I got nothing. Haith's got a lot to prove.

 

[BigTime]

Why does it amaze you that UT gets talent? It's the big dog in one of the best states for talent, has fantastic facilities, and wins. I'd be surprised if they didn't land talent.

Barnes being #1, no. The guy usually has a loaded roster and fails to produce. Last year he had the league won before his annual collapse.

1. Self (not sure how this is disputed with 7 straight titles)
2. Billy G
3. L. Kruger
4. Barnes
5. Frank Martin
6. Kennedy
7. Drew
8. Ford
9. Haith
10. Hoiberg

Barnes dominates nationally in recruiting (not just in Texas) - though he is trending locally in the Lone Star State as of the past year. Texas' bball facilities are ok. The Drum is average. The dude is a phenominal recruiter - no two ways about it. Self is hands down the better Xs and Os guy. I was just going with the average total package. Just my opinion...

Kennedy is the interesting one to rank imo. Two tourney appearences at irrelevant schools for a long period of time. He was handed some good pieces at A&M and will shore up a top notch PG for 2012 thanks to hiring his father.

Sawyer

Nice catch on the wording. My bad. Trying to rank entire coaching staffs would be difficult.

I saw Meth fans on Hogville.net today while I was fishing for Rotnei info telling Hog fans "thank you" for taking Anderson away. Made me chuckle.

 

[Sam]

Missouri is starting to make waves on the recruiting trail with Fuller and Chew, wouldn't shock me at if they get Rodney Purvis and pull in other big names. No idea how good Haith will coach them up but they will have talent.

 

[BigTime]

Missouri is starting to make waves on the recruiting trail with Fuller and Chew, wouldn't shock me at if they get Rodney Purvis and pull in other big names. No idea how good Haith will coach them up but they will have talent.

Seems like a school that you can get talent in to (Quinn was good at it).

What do you think of Fuller's game, Sam?

 

[Sam]

Seems like a school that you can get talent in to (Quinn was good at it).

What do you think of Fuller's game, Sam?

Fuller is an assistant coach, I have no idea what his game is like. I just know he's why Purvis committed to Louisville in the first place (since decommitted when Fuller left) and is likely to pull in other top talent to Columbia.

 

[BigTime]

Fuller is an assistant coach, I have no idea what his game is like. I just know he's why Purvis committed to Louisville in the first place (since decommitted when Fuller left) and is likely to pull in other top talent to Columbia.

Meant Purvis doh!

 

[Sawyer]

I saw Meth fans on Hogville.net today while I was fishing for Rotnei info telling Hog fans "thank you" for taking Anderson away. Made me chuckle.

This is confusing to me. I've always been under the impression that all users at hogville are fans of meth, so I'm not sure who is saying what in your scenario.

Regarding Arkansas helping Mizzou out by taking Anderson, we obviously downgraded when it comes to head coaching accomplishments, but I do think he's getting paid about a million more per year than he's really worth. He was jerking us around every offseason for a raise, even when he failed to live up to expectations from earlier in the season. That gets old for a lot of people.

 

[WaymanFan]

Seems like a school that you can get talent in to (Quinn was good at it).

I think everyone reading this thread can get talent to go to Missouri. How many other states have at least two large cities, but only ONE major D-I school?


As for my top 10, not much different than anyone else's.

Bill Self
Rick Barnes
Lon Kruger
Billy Gillispie
Frank Martin
Scott Drew
Travis Ford
Frank Haith
Billy Kennedy
Fred Hoiberg

 

[Sawyer]

Two large cities means nothing if you miss on every prospect coming out of one of them (see: Mike Anderson's efforts in St. Louis).

 

[Sawyer]

Also worth noting that most of the best players at Mizzou from the mid 80s to today were not from Missouri.

 

[SoonerSpock]

No question Rick Barnes is the top recruiter in the conference. The number of first round draft choices he has brought to Austin when as a basketball school they are absent tradition and somewhat short on facilities is phenomenal.

That being said he is not a top X's and O's coach. I have seen him lose too many times in tight games against teams with inferior talent. A top coach? No question. Best coach in the conference? No where near!

The answer at the top is Bill Self hands down. One national championship, six regular season conference championships, four conference tournament championships and an .824 winning percentage as a jayhawk. He has also won 10 conference championships in the last 12 years (two B10 conference championships at Illinois and two at Tulsa going to the Elite Eight in 2000.

Barnes meanwhile has won 3 regular season championship and zero conference tournament championships. When evaluated for NCAA tournament performance Barnes has done extremely well. But when compared to Self against common conference opponents he is in a distant second place.

 

[DenverSooner]

Also worth noting that most of the best players at Mizzou from the mid 80s to today were not from Missouri.

In the late 80s (from an outsider's perspective) Missouri seemed to get a lot of kids from Detroit.

On a different note, I don't get how people rank Lon Kruger so higher prior to actually doing anything in the Big XII. I am not saying he won't do a good job, I just tend to think you actually have to succeed at a job before getting praised for doing a good job.

 

[WTSooner]

I just tend to think you actually have to succeed at a job before getting praised for doing a good job.

He has suceeded. At other schools. Some of which compare to OU and the Big 12. That is the great thing about LK.....we know EXACTLY what we are getting with him.

 

[5hrenergy]

In the late 80s (from an outsider's perspective) Missouri seemed to get a lot of kids from Detroit.

On a different note, I don't get how people rank Lon Kruger so higher prior to actually doing anything in the Big XII. I am not saying he won't do a good job, I just tend to think you actually have to succeed at a job before getting praised for doing a good job.

Kruger won at KSU, won the Big 10 at Illinois, took UF to the FF, and UNLV to the NCAA's multiple times. He's proven his worth as a coach.