Big 12 (10) expansion?

[seniorsooner]

Deloss Dodds on possibility of Big 12 expansion: "It is absolutely 'No.' Not a thought, not a conversation, nothing."

 

[boksooner]

Why would they? It wouldn't bring in much more money and every school would lose revenue to pay out two more shares. Unless there is a network deal that promises to up the pay, if they expand, I see no logical reason to do it. A title game in football doesn't bring in enough revenue to offset two additional shares.

 

[greenbug]

If Arkansas and LSU wants to come then bring them. Otherwise keep it as is. We should have gone to the SEC anyway.

 

[HeismanWatch]

Expand to dilute revenue?

Dumb, very dumb.

 

[OKURanger]

If Arkansas and LSU wants to come then bring them. Otherwise keep it as is. We should have gone to the SEC anyway.

These would be great football additions.

 

[Soonerman]

Arkie and LSU leaving the SEC for the Big 12-2 is a pipe dream. I don't see any schools out there that would be beneficial to our conference.

 

[garyeb2]

Arkie and LSU leaving the SEC for the Big 12-2 is a pipe dream. I don't see any schools out there that would be beneficial to our conference.

Houston,Brigham Young,Colorado State

 

[thebigabd]

Houston, Central Florida, TCU, and South Florida.

 

[NickZepp]

In a couple years they'll be looking at it. Especially with all these conferences getting the revenue from conference championship games.

 

[Klein Sooner]

garyeb2 and the bigabd,

You are going to have to explain the logic of adding the U of H to the Big 12. They have no following. There are high schools in the Houston-metro area who have more fans than the U of H. It is a commuter school whose students stay away in droves from athletic contests. And once they are alumni they definitely don't come back for games. Even when the U of H was respectable in football in the old SWC and had a nationally ranked basketball program, they didn't draw that well. The city of Houston is a UT and A&M town. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. The U of H would add virtually no TV sets to the equation.

 

[stoops4pres]

The city of Houston is a UT and A&M town. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. The U of H would add virtually no TV sets to the equation.

This.

 

[thebigabd]

garyeb2 and the bigabd,

You are going to have to explain the logic of adding the U of H to the Big 12. They have no following. There are high schools in the Houston-metro area who have more fans than the U of H. It is a commuter school whose students stay away in droves from athletic contests. And once they are alumni they definitely don't come back for games. Even when the U of H was respectable in football in the old SWC and had a nationally ranked basketball program, they didn't draw that well. The city of Houston is a UT and A&M town. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. The U of H would add virtually no TV sets to the equation.

I was thinking of athletic competition instead of tv sets.

My apologies.

 

[garyeb2]

garyeb2 and the bigabd,

You are going to have to explain the logic of adding the U of H to the Big 12. They have no following. There are high schools in the Houston-metro area who have more fans than the U of H. It is a commuter school whose students stay away in droves from athletic contests. And once they are alumni they definitely don't come back for games. Even when the U of H was respectable in football in the old SWC and had a nationally ranked basketball program, they didn't draw that well. The city of Houston is a UT and A&M town. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. The U of H would add virtually no TV sets to the equation.

OK, i'll try. First, if TV sets and current home attendence is the criteria. The conference needs to drop Iowa State, Kansas State, and Kansas. Houston draws almost as well as those now and they play in a weak conference with weak attractions as home opponents. If Houston was playing a Big 12 Conference schedule, I imagine there would be enough people in the 4th largest city in the country that turned on the TV. And besides that. We could probably beat them every year.

 

[Sawyer]

2010 football attendance:

Houston: 31,728
Iowa State: 45,395
kansas: 44,851
kansas state: 49,816

2010-11 basketball attendance:

Houston: 3,281
Iowa State: 12,110
kansas: 16,436
kansas state: 12,652

For what it's worth, Houston has seen a pretty significant attendance increase over the past few years, and kansas' average did drop quite a bit last year (from what I assume is an abnormally high average after a brief taste of success). Clearly, though, Houston's a distant fourth in both sports that actually matter.

Replacing the C-USA slate with nine Big 12 games wouldn't really make much difference in their attendance. They're already pretty close to being tapped out. Their maximum capacity for football is 32,000.

Stadium attendance isn't really all that important, though. What matters is TV sets. And when it comes to TV sets, the Big 12 already has that market locked up.

Of the schools mentioned, BYU is the only one that would make much sense IMO. I also think Louisville would be a decent option if they're ever unhappy with the Big East.

 

[Klein Sooner]

OK, i'll try. First, if TV sets and current home attendence is the criteria. The conference needs to drop Iowa State, Kansas State, and Kansas. Houston draws almost as well as those now and they play in a weak conference with weak attractions as home opponents. If Houston was playing a Big 12 Conference schedule, I imagine there would be enough people in the 4th largest city in the country that turned on the TV. And besides that. We could probably beat them every year.

What the heck are you talking about? Houston draws nowhere near the crowds that Iowa State, Kansas State, or Kansas do in football or basketball. In the neighborhood of 15-25,000 less per game than those schools in an average year in football and in basketball their attendance is pathetic when compared to those schools. I live in Houston and can't drive a block without seeing a vehicle with some sort of UT or A&M insignia on it. However, I can drive around the Houston metro area for months without seeing any sort of U of H insignia on a car. And in the old SWC days when U of H was in a major conference and was decent in football, the only sellout they generally had in the Astrodome was when they were playing UT, A&M, or Arkansas. And that was because the fans of those teams bought the majority of the tickets. What about having no significant fanbase do you not understand? And if you just want to conclude that I am a know it all blowhard (which is probably true) then understand that there is absolutely no way that UT would ever allow U of H to join the Big 12. There is still bad blood between the two schools from the 2001 football game which was played at the high school-like stadium that U of H plays in.

 

[garyeb2]

It is certanly Ok with me if some people think Houston is a bad idea.

 

[Soonerman]

Houston,Brigham Young,Colorado State

No, maybe, lmao

 

[Sam]

I get the feeling the Big 12 will disband (OU, Texas, etc leave) before it expands.

 

[Sawyer]

The only way the Big 12 disbands is if Texas decides they'd rather be an independent.

A year ago it was realistic because the Big 12 TV contracts were relatively minuscule compared to the Big 10 and SEC. As they are now, though, everyone left in the Big 12 is better off than they were before and probably better off than they would be under any other scenario.

Unless other conferences decide they really want to go to 16 teams and they force everyone else to play that game again, things are staying the way they are for the foreseeable future IMO. And I really don't see anyone out there who benefits financially from 16 teams at this point.

 

[DenverSooner]

Houston, Central Florida, TCU, and South Florida.

The conference already has the Houston and Ft. Worth TV markets. Getting Central Florida and South Florida is probably not going to bring the big bucks from the Florida TV markets and it is not a good geographical fit.