Big 12 Basketball Standings Prediction - May 2019

[152219]

I'm tired of having to repeat this over and over again.

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1114748164521713664

Big 12 was Kenpom's #1 ranked conference for the 6th season in a row.

Big 12 was #1 according to Sagarin for the 5th straight year.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2019/conference/

I'm not going to look up RPI again, but the Big 12 was #1 in RPI as well and I think that was for the 5th or 6th straight year.

If you have issues with that, then send your arguments to Ken Pomeroy, Jeff Sagarin, and the NCAA.

 

[skyvue]

I'm tired of having to repeat this over and over again.

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1114748164521713664

Big 12 was Kenpom's #1 ranked conference for the 6th season in a row.

Big 12 was #1 according to Sagarin for the 5th straight year.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2019/conference/

I'm not going to look up RPI again, but the Big 12 was #1 in RPI as well and I think that was for the 5th or 6th straight year.

If you have issues with that, then send your arguments to Ken Pomeroy, Jeff Sagarin, and the NCAA.

But... but... we didn't beat Notre Dame badly enough to suit some of our fans!

 

[WTSooner]

I'm tired of having to repeat this over and over again.

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1114748164521713664

Big 12 was Kenpom's #1 ranked conference for the 6th season in a row.

Big 12 was #1 according to Sagarin for the 5th straight year.
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2019/conference/

I'm not going to look up RPI again, but the Big 12 was #1 in RPI as well and I think that was for the 5th or 6th straight year.

If you have issues with that, then send your arguments to Ken Pomeroy, Jeff Sagarin, and the NCAA.

And the Big 12 started doing better in these "rankings" about the time we dropped to 10 teams. Coincidence? Nope! The way those things calculate the Big 12 gets an advantage from being smaller (team-wise). Sorry some of you suck at math beyond basic addition.

 

[WTSooner]

You bet it's cherry-picking and you know it. Also? You didn't name a lower-echelon team from another conference that beat OU. Why? There wasn't one, but it's typical and unsurprising that you tried to imply there was. OU suffered only one loss during non-conference play, and it was to Wisconsin, which finished fourth in the Big 10.

What's more, citing games in which OU didn't win by a wide enough margin to satisfy you is just pitiful. A win's a win, especially since both the games you were cited were played on not-quite-neutral sites (ND will always have many more fans at a game played in NYC than OU will, and the Northwestern game was played in Chicago).

And you STILL don't get it. I'm not even trying to knock OU here. I just happen to be familiar with their (our) schedule. The point I'm making is that the bottom teams in the other conferences compete JUST fine with the bottom teams in the almighty Big 12 conference. Which is the entire argument some of you are trying to make, that the bottom teams in the Big 12 are SO MUCH stronger than the bottom teams in the other power conferences. I'm simply showing why I don't believe that to be true.

 

[WichitaSooner]

And the Big 12 started doing better in these "rankings" about the time we dropped to 10 teams. Coincidence? Nope! The way those things calculate the Big 12 gets an advantage from being smaller (team-wise). Sorry some of you suck at math beyond basic addition.

You don't benefit by being smaller. You benefit by being better with the teams you do have. We wouldn't have benefited if KU left the league, just like the league wouldn't benefit in the football rankings if OU left.

 

[Eielson]

You don't benefit by being smaller.

As a whole, true, but it does make your "bottom (insert random number here)" better. It also makes your "top (insert random number here)" worse, so we're sentenced to an unending argument revolving around the two previous statements for all of eternity.

 

[152219]

And the Big 12 started doing better in these "rankings" about the time we dropped to 10 teams. Coincidence? Nope! The way those things calculate the Big 12 gets an advantage from being smaller (team-wise). Sorry some of you suck at math beyond basic addition.

Funny considering I’ve called you out repeatedly for your lack of math skills.

Those rankings are based on an average so the number of teams doesn’t matter. What did matter is that four mediocre to bad programs left and one solid and mediocre programs was added.

 

[Max Power]

Funny considering I’ve called you out repeatedly for your lack of math skills.

Those rankings are based on an average so the number of teams doesn’t matter. What did matter is that four mediocre to bad programs left and one solid and mediocre programs was added.

If you have 6 really good program 2 ok, and 2 bad and another has 7 really good, 3 ok, and 4 bad, which one will be higher on average? So yes only having 10 teams helps.

 

[WTSooner]

Funny considering I’ve called you out repeatedly for your lack of math skills.

:ez-laugh:

 

[152219]

If you have 6 really good program 2 ok, and 2 bad and another has 7 really good, 3 ok, and 4 bad, which one will be higher on average? So yes only having 10 teams helps.

LOL, so having less bad programs is better? You don’t say.

 

[152219]

:ez-laugh:

Exactly what I did when i read your post.

 

[Soonerinkc]

4/14 is 28.5% of teams in the league are bad
2/10 is 20% of teams in the league are bad


those are the numbers ya need...just sayin~

 

[WTSooner]

4/14 is 28.5% of teams in the league are bad
2/10 is 20% of teams in the league are bad


those are the numbers ya need...just sayin~

So the only way to measure how good or tough a league is, is strictly by looking at the number of bad teams?

I disagree.

 

[Max Power]

4/14 is 28.5% of teams in the league are bad
2/10 is 20% of teams in the league are bad


those are the numbers ya need...just sayin~

and 10 good teams better than 8 good teams you know 10>8. so if the 14 team conference dropped the 4 bad team, like the big 12 did, then they would be clearly better since the have no bad teams. So tell me again how dropping teams doesnt help the average.

 

[Soonerinkc]

it was more about the % if folks were counting numbers of good/bad teams for each conference. I have no dog in the fight...

Obviously if the 8/10 teams were in the top 20 and the 10/14 were not then....

just sayin..

How'd they do head to head? ;-)


it's all good~

 

[CoachTalk]

1. KU
2. TT
3. Baylor
4. OU
5. WVU
6. Texas
7. OSU
8. ISU
9. KSU
10. TCU

 

[stormspencer]

Baylor
KU
Tech
OU
OSU
WV
Texas
ISU
TCU
KSU

 

[WichitaSooner]

I see a top three of KU, Tech, and Baylor, with KU the clear favorite. I'd put OU, KSU, Texas in the next tier (not sure yet what order), with the other four teams at the bottom. KSU will be better than people expect. They will certainly take a step back after losing that senior class, but I will be surprised if they are near the bottom of the standings.

 

[sperry]

OSU is going to be good. Way too much shooting not to be. KU should be favored, but that is contingent on big improvements from Dotson and Agbaji. Baylor and WVU should be tournament teams. OU and Tech the wild cards. I don't expect much out of ISU, KSU, TCU or Texas.

 

[thebigabd]

I see a top three of KU, Tech, and Baylor, with KU the clear favorite. I'd put OU, KSU, Texas in the next tier (not sure yet what order), with the other four teams at the bottom. KSU will be better than people expect. They will certainly take a step back after losing that senior class, but I will be surprised if they are near the bottom of the standings.

Early look at K-State:

PG: David Sloan (6'0'' 200) - Juco Transfer. Led NJCAA in assists for two years. Averaged 16 points, 10 assists, and 4.6 rebounds per game. 37% 3pt shooter.

SG: Cartier Diarra (6'4'' 190) - Averaged 7 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists per bame as a backup to Barry Brown. Very solid player.

SF: Xavier Sneed (6'5'' 220) - All Big 12 HM.. Averaged 10.6 points on 39.6 percent shooting (118-of-298), including 34.6 percent (54-of-156) from 3-point range, with 5.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists and 1.4 steals in 30.7 minutes per game

PF: Makol Mawien (6'9'' 245) - Juco Transfer. Has started all 71 games in his KSU career. Averaged 7.0 points on a 52.6 percent shooting (100-of-190) with 4.9 rebounds and 0.7 blocks per game.

PF: ?... Nobody with any reasonable experience or numbers. Gonna be some new guy or combination of players.