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[StatGeek]

I love how we do the regular season champion thing, but decide every other championship in basketball by tournament.

The regular season championship is skewed in many ways. The regular season championship doesnt give you an automatic bid. The regular season championship favors teams with easier schedules. The regular season championship doesnt have a championship game.

National Championship: Tournament
Preseason Championships (NIT, Alaska, Hawaii, etc): Tournament
NIT: Tournament
CBI: Tournament
NBA Championship: Tournament
FIBA Championship: Tournament
World Cup Championship: Tournament
High School Championships: Tournament
Mens League Championships: Tournament
Church League Championships: Tournament
Conference Championship: Best record (even with a tournament present)

Does not compute.

All valid points, but having the best conference record is more impressive than winning the tournament. If it makes you feel better you can call the regular season a round robin tournament if you like.

 

[Tony]

Weak sauce on the bump, thebigabd.

 

[boksooner]

All valid points, but having the best conference record is more impressive than winning the tournament. If it makes you feel better you can call the regular season a round robin tournament if you like.

The unbalanced schedule created easier schedules for different teams. Now that a 10 team Big XII will have a true round robin schedule, I agree that winning the regular season in the future will be more impressive than the post season tourney.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I love how we do the regular season champion thing, but decide every other championship in basketball by tournament.

The regular season championship is skewed in many ways. The regular season championship doesnt give you an automatic bid. The regular season championship favors teams with easier schedules. The regular season championship doesnt have a championship game.

haha.

You would rather win the big 12 tourney than the reg season title? And very rarely does non conference schedule even come into play.

 

[JBaker]

The conference tournament champion is the conference champion.
Period.

Why don't we just award San Diego State the National Championship right now because they finished the season with the best record? Then whoever comes out the winner in 3 weeks will just be the NCAA Tournament Winner.
That makes sense... right?

In football, do we get a conference championship and THEN have to win the 1-game conference tournament for a separate championship?

The NCAA Tournament recognizes the conference champion as the conference tournament winner.
That's the real champion.

And despite head-to-head results, this mythical "regular season conference championship" can be awarded to multiple schools in one season.

OU has 3 Big 12 basketball Championships.
Kansas has 8.
OSU has 2.
Iowa State has 1.
Missouri has 1.

Those are the teams that have won Big 12 Championships. That's it.

 

[boksooner]

haha.

You would rather win the big 12 tourney than the reg season title? And very rarely does non conference schedule even come into play.

With an unbalance schedule, the non conference doesn't matter.

Imagine if South team #1 plays KU, KSU and MU at home and CU, ISU and NU on the road; South team #2 plays the opposite schedule. You can't tell me that team #1 doesn't have an advantage.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The conference tournament champion is the conference champion.
Period.

of course it is. Doesn't make it logical though. What if somehow OU or osu got hot and won the tourney this year? You really think they deserve to be called conference champions? They obviously are, but doesn't mean its right.

Why don't we just award San Diego State the National Championship right now because they finished the season with the best record? Then whoever comes out the winner in 3 weeks will just be the NCAA Tournament Winner.
That makes sense... right?

c'mon

In football, do we get a conference championship and THEN have to win the 1-game conference tournament for a separate championship?

Their are division championships

 

[SoonerBounce13]

With an unbalance schedule, the non conference doesn't matter.

Imagine if South team #1 plays KU, KSU and MU at home and CU, ISU and NU on the road; South team #2 plays the opposite schedule. You can't tell me that team #1 doesn't have an advantage.

sure. but they play the same team regardless. I just think that deciding a champion from the team with the best record while playing the same teams in 16 games is more relevant than who gets hot and makes a run regardless of what they did during the season.

 

[StatGeek]

The conference tournament champion is the conference champion.
Period.

Why don't we just award San Diego State the National Championship right now because they finished the season with the best record? Then whoever comes out the winner in 3 weeks will just be the NCAA Tournament Winner.
That makes sense... right?

In football, do we get a conference championship and THEN have to win the 1-game conference tournament for a separate championship?

The NCAA Tournament recognizes the conference champion as the conference tournament winner.
That's the real champion.

And despite head-to-head results, this mythical "regular season conference championship" can be awarded to multiple schools in one season.

OU has 3 Big 12 basketball Championships.
Kansas has 8.
OSU has 2.
Iowa State has 1.
Missouri has 1.

Those are the teams that have won Big 12 Championships. That's it.

I respect you JBaker, but this post has some glaring holes. First, if you want to consider the tournament winner the conference champion, so be it, I really dont care, but being the #1 seed of the tournament is a bigger accomplishment than winning it.

Since you brought football into the equation, Who won the Pac 10, Big 11, & Big Least conferences last year? And how did they do so?

How does the Ivy league determine its champion?

 

[boksooner]

sure. but they play the same team regardless. I just think that deciding a champion from the team with the best record while playing the same teams in 16 games is more relevant than who gets hot and makes a run regardless of what they did during the season.

I would argue that most teams are, more or less, a completely different team on the road vs at home.

On the other side of things, basketball is a game of tournaments. It seems weird that you would decide the conference championship based on a regular season where teams play different schedules.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

IIt seems weird that you would decide the conference championship based on a regular season where teams play different schedules.

They play the same teams though. In the tournament every team plays a different "schedule". How is that fair. Round robins are more accurate at finding the best team than an elimination tourney. Which is what we will have next year but I still don't think the home/road should matter that much

 

[boksooner]

They play the same teams though. In the tournament every team plays a different "schedule". How is that fair. Round robins are more accurate at finding the best team than an elimination tourney. Which is what we will have next year but I still don't think the home/road should matter that much

Then you must not actually watch college basketball.

 

[Sawyer]

The NCAA tournament actually doesn't recognize conference tournament champions as the true champions, thus giving them the automatic bid.

They guarantee each conference one bid and let the conferences decide on their own how to give it out. Most choose to use the tournament because otherwise the tournament wouldn't carry any real meaning (if regular season champion gets the bid, what's the incentive for the tournament?). I believe the Ivy League is the only conference that does not give out the bid this way.

Both the regular season and tournament championship are impressive feats. I don't think you can say that one is absolutely better than the other, though.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Then you must not actually watch college basketball.

i'm not saying that for an individual game it doesn't matter, just over the course of 16 games it will even out.

 

[StatGeek]

i'm not saying that for an individual game it doesn't matter, just over the course of 16 games it will even out.

way too much logic being used here

 

[SoonerBounce13]

They guarantee each conference one bid and let the conferences decide on their own how to give it out. Most choose to use the tournament because otherwise the tournament wouldn't carry any real meaning (if regular season champion gets the bid, what's the incentive for the tournament?). I believe the Ivy League is the only conference that does not give out the bid this way.

which makes sense b/c by using the tourney as the auto bid, you are giving the conference a chance to get more teams into the dance. If OSU would have knocked off KU they may have made it in and if they had somehow went on to beat UT, they would have been guaranteed in. If it was the other way, then they had no shot of getting in. just my opinion

 

[Big Old Booger]

I will say that I bet KU doesn't win the next 6 or 7 regular season championships now that they have to play all of the south teams home and away.

I don't know how this figures into the argument about whether the tournament or regular season is more significant though.

In 2005, KU tied us for the Big 12 regular season championship, but they lost to us in Norman. Had we played them in Lawrence, we probably lose that game, but had they played Texas in Austin they probably lose that game so it's hard to say. However, it is not a stretch to argue that KU was helped by the fact they only played at 3 of the south campuses 3 times each year.

 

[thebigabd]

Both the regular season and tournament championship are impressive feats. I don't think you can say that one is absolutely better than the other, though.

Is there a regular season trophy? Did KU cut down the nets when they secured their best record championship?

The very idea of a regular season "champion" just seems ridiculous to me. Its a myth. A fraud. A phony. As previously mentioned, no other championship in global basketball is decided by who has the best record, yet they make an exception to load Kansas up with "best record championships".

I want to know what clown decided to ignore how every basketball championship has ever been decided in the history of the game and award themselves with a best record championship, lol.

 

[Tony]

The very idea of a regular season "champion" just seems ridiculous to me. Its a myth. A fraud. A phony. As previously mentioned, no other championship in global basketball is decided by who has the best record...

Yeah, because playoffs make cash money. That doesn't make them the superior method of determining who the best team is.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Is there a regular season trophy? Did KU cut down the nets when they secured their best record championship?

The very idea of a regular season "champion" just seems ridiculous to me. Its a myth. A fraud. A phony. As previously mentioned, no other championship in global basketball is decided by who has the best record, yet they make an exception to load Kansas up with "best record championships".

I want to know what clown decided to ignore how every basketball championship has ever been decided in the history of the game and award themselves with a best record championship, lol.

wow, its not like we are talking about a national champion. just the conference. chill out.