I've never once implied OU was an unbeatable team as is evidence by the TT loss, and maybe odds are the third time's a charm, but someone would have to be nuts to place money on OSU. Have you actually watched them play?
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I've never once implied OU was an unbeatable team as is evidence by the TT loss, and maybe odds are the third time's a charm, but someone would have to be nuts to place money on OSU. Have you actually watched them play?
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Exactly, OSU barely goes 6 deep. Yes, they beat an Embiid-less sluggish KU team, but I'm not convinced they're any better than they were when they were losing 7 in a row.
You're out of your depth.
I explained why BPI would have Oklahoma State ahead of Oklahoma. It tries to, in part, predict performance going forward. Other well-known models that do the same also have Oklahoma St. ahead, pretty much unanimously.
You responded with a reference to RPI (which is totally different), personal insults, and a claim that I'm "making things up" while you "use the numbers," directly followed by an appeal to the oh-so-scientific Section31 eye test.
I really don't want anything you say I want. I do, however, want this board to be free of innumerate idiots. If you stopped posting here, I'd be closer to getting what I want.
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I was looking over Lunardi's "bracketology" brackets, they don't make much sense. He has OU as a 5 seed playing in Spokane and Texas as a 6 seed playing in San Antonio. Why would a 6 seed get to play a de facto home game and a 5 seed get shipped all the way to Spokane?
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Embid played when OSU beat them. He played 29 minutes according to OSU website.
So tell me the likelihood you place on Oklahoma State being favored. I obviously think it's higher. We can find some point in the middle where we can bet an we'll both think we're getting a good deal.
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And what are the predictions based on? OU closed out the season better, has a better coach, more depth, better season. I mean what would go into the BPI that would predict OSU to beat OU going forward?
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That's what I think too, at least right now. However, OkSt would have to beat TTU, Kansas, and ISU/KSU to get there. We'd have Baylor (or maybe TCU) and Texas/WVU under our belt.
I suspect an OkSt team with that recent history would be favored. Not by much, but favored.
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Not trying to be rude, but you should research it a bit.
It's like any other stat, or model, it isn't perfect, and doesn't always tell the entire story, but it has some good qualities.
I could see where OSU would be a small favorite over OU today, on a neutral court. Wouldn't surprise me at all. OSU's "good" is still pretty good. The biggest thing OU had over them this year was consistency. OSU had too many stinkers, while OU never really did that. But to suggest they somehow stink when they just beat KU, KSU, and should have beaten ISU (miracle 3 to send it to OT), I think that is allowing your (our) hatred of OSU to cloud your judgment.
Edit: I'm not suggesting they'd be favored over us in a Big 12 Championship game. I think that is where the 4 games in 4 days might catch up to them, and Vegas would likely adjust for that.
Insults? Can you point me to an insult?
BTW, I wasn't just using RPI or I would have just said their RPI was higher/lower. I was looking at several of the indexes they use. You got in a huff about the possibility that you might just be wrong. I never said they were terrible or shouldn't get into the tournament as we stand today, but the "they are better than all the bubble teams" mantra doesn't hold much water ESPECIALLY for a team that's nowhere close to the team they were when they had the success that moves them off the bubble, if for no other reason than their roster.
Oklahoma St is favored over TTU by 9. When we last played them (at home), we were favored by 8.5
Oklahoma St. was a 3 point dog @ISU. When we played @ISU, we were a 7 point underdog.
We were favored by 12 @TCU. On 2/24 OSU was favored by 13.5 @TCU.
Oklahoma St. was favored by 4 in Stillwater when we last played.
I'm not saying Oklahoma St. is better, and they certainly haven't had the better season to date, but I think they'd be favored in the conference finals, should we get there.
Oklahoma St. was a 3 point dog @ISU. When we played @ISU, we were a 7 point underdog.
We were favored by 12 @TCU. On 2/24 OSU was favored by 13.5 @TCU.
Oklahoma St. was favored by 4 in Stillwater when we last played.
I'm not saying Oklahoma St. is better, and they certainly haven't had the better season to date, but I think they'd be favored in the conference finals, should we get there.
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Cobbins isn't coming back and OSU lost 4 in a row with Smart followed by 3 in a row without him, I don't know why Smart's suspension should be given weight here. As noted by someone earlier his suspension probably helped OSU more than hurt them.
Ah, I'm betting its a pickem or OU favored by 1. I'm not a gambler AT ALL, so I'm not sure how the "already beat them twice" factor means either way. I wouldn't bet on either team, and wasn't implying I would.
"Asinine"
"Dumb"
"Making things up"
And after all that back and forth about a post in which I explained why they were ahead in BPI and where I predicted they'd be favored if we played again, and you say you think it would be a pk or OU -1.
Spread is a little more complicated than that. Its more designed to influence gambling.
OSU can beat OU, but we're not a great matchup for them.
You don't have to bet on a team. You just have to bet on whether or not the comments you called asinine were asinine. That is, whether Oklahoma St. would be favored if we played again.
C'mon...I was commenting on those assertions rather than you personally.
Spreads are better than BPI or Sagarin, because they're a prediction of the outcome of the game that the predictor stands to lose money on if he's wrong.
When people don't have anything at stake (like you), they're much more free to make inaccurate predictions.
