Football question

[BoulderSooner]

We can’t say that. The dudes who are transferring out are all guys we wanted to see play more. Guys that all got great reports in the spring and summer. Emmet Jones may have a development issue with the wide receiver room. It would be really nice to see a WR who was recruited to OU out of high school have a large role on the team.

no one thought ragins should play more .

 

[Boom Soon]

no one thought ragins should play more .

That’s fine.You’re one person.

 

[Eielson]

It's interesting that some are upset we didn't recruit over our returning starters at RB...but also are upset that we are recruiting over our backup WRs.

 

[mict085]

That’s fine.You’re one person.

Ragins has speed but that’s it. Hes 150 pounds and can’t get open or make a difference. He should transfer down and get some playing time.

 

[daqman]

It's interesting that some are upset we didn't recruit over our returning starters at RB...but also are upset that we are recruiting over our backup WRs.

i'm upset we haven't recruited over our starting qb

 

[WichitaSooner]

i'm upset we haven't recruited over our starting qb

Plus he is again misrepresenting my argument. Malik Nabers is allegedly a star. Nagy himself said he wants our young guys to play. But we almost certainly will lose some of the good young guys if they know they have to sit another year. I don’t give a crap about losing the guys who will never play. I do think you’re playing with fire if you expect the really good young guys to the bench.

 

[Eielson]

Plus he is again misrepresenting my argument. Malik Nabers is allegedly a star. Nagy himself said he wants our young guys to play. But we almost certainly will lose some of the good young guys if they know they have to sit another year. I don’t give a crap about losing the guys who will never play. I do think you’re playing with fire if you expect the really good young guys to the bench.

So you're worried about recruiting over WRs that haven't played, but you want to recruit over our top 100 recruit and our all-SEC freshman at RB.

Nothing is being misrepresented. Your logic just has more holes than swiss cheese. I truly wish it was more of a challenge to debunk your complaints.

 

[WichitaSooner]

So you're worried about recruiting over WRs that haven't played, but you want to recruit over our top 100 recruit and our all-SEC freshman at RB.

Nothing is being misrepresented. Your logic just has more holes than swiss cheese. I truly wish it was more of a challenge to debunk your complaints.

See, you can pretend you’re debunking it, but that doesn’t make it so.

I’m not the one who claimed Eli Thomas was a star. His coaches and teammates did. They either lied (which is quite possible) or just chose to keep him on the bench while our offense struggled to function all season. If he is legitimately what they say, they are idiots to offer some G5 guys to further block his PT.

We don’t have any running backs who we shouldn’t actively be looking to replace.

 

[Eielson]

See, you can pretend you’re debunking it, but that doesn’t make it so.

I’m not the one who claimed Eli Thomas was a star. His coaches and teammates did. They either lied (which is quite possible) or just chose to keep him on the bench while our offense struggled to function all season. If he is legitimately what they say, they are idiots to offer some G5 guys to further block his PT.

We don’t have any running backs who we shouldn’t actively be looking to replace.

Are you even trying with this gibberish? As foreign as it may seem to you, most coaches will say positive things about their players.

Speaking to reporters after practice on Friday, Venables heaped praise on the young running back (via John Hoover media). "His physical maturity, his explosiveness, his durability. He's taken a lot of snaps," Venables said. "Tory Blaylock has been as impressive as a freshman as I've been around. We'll see what the season brings, but he's been fantastic."

I've had enough swiss cheese for the night. I'll be back tomorrow for 5 minutes to poke holes in another day's worth of hilariously weak complaints.

 

[BCSooners]

i'm upset we haven't recruited over our starting qb

So spend $5mil on who?

 

[BCSooners]

See, you can pretend you’re debunking it, but that doesn’t make it so.

I’m not the one who claimed Eli Thomas was a star. His coaches and teammates did. They either lied (which is quite possible) or just chose to keep him on the bench while our offense struggled to function all season. If he is legitimately what they say, they are idiots to offer some G5 guys to further block his PT.

We don’t have any running backs who we shouldn’t actively be looking to replace.

So you’re mad that OU got 2 very good receivers or retained Thomas?

 

[WichitaSooner]

So you’re mad that OU got 2 very good receivers or retained Thomas?

Have you read my posts? I didn’t complain they got Livingstone or Harris. I said I don’t understand why now, after getting them, we are still recruiting additional WRs rather than looking at RBs, which is a position of greater need. Agree or disagree, my position is easy to understand, but I’ll spell it out again. We now have Sategna and the two new guys. We also have a guy (Thomas) who already sat for one season despite being hyped beyond belief. We also have Choice, who was also talked up a lot coming into this year. We have two incoming freshman who are already being talked about as guys who may be good enough to play next season. We have a GM who has publicly said he wants the young guys to get playing time. So, why are we actively offering G5 guys? Add to this the fact that we had a very tight rotation at that spot this year. We would play three guys the vast majority of a game, with one or two other guys getting a very occasional snap. If you truly believe you have four or five really good freshmen or redshirt freshmen, plus Sategna, the two new guys, Jordan, and Carter, you already have about 10 guys.

By contrast, at RB, we just came off a season where we were so desperate for bodies that we had put Ott on the field for a snap or two in the LSU game. We played a playoff game with one hand tied behind our back because our two “best” backs were hurt, two other guys had quit, and another (Tatum) was hurt or disinterested all season. X and Blaylock, both of whom were hurt to varying degrees all season, are the only two returnees, and all we have added is a small situational back who will likely not provide anything in the run game. So two guys with an injury history, one G5 depth piece, and two high school kids. Compared to WR, it seems abundantly clear which position is in need of more depth and better talent. Yet there is no indication we are offering more backs, all while we continue to seek WR 12 or 13.

We don’t currently have a back who would be near the top half of our league. And we also don’t have any experienced depth. If this is the group we take into next season, I can all but guarantee that within the first month of the year, the same old “why can’t OU run the ball consistently” question will be repeated, and we will have people saying, well, gee, if only X and Blaylock were healthy, trust me, they’d be really good.

 

[WaymanFan]

With all the talk of WRs, let me ask this question. Since we sign multiple high school WRs in every recruiting cycle, when was the last one who DEVELOPED into an above-average college WR at OU? Why do we have to keep going to the portal to get them when the majority should be coming through the program out of high school. It sounds more like we need an upgrade at the coaching level as well someone who can identify talent. I can't be the only person who is tired of signing top 200 high school prospects like Kearney only to have them not make an impact and then transfer to another school.

 

[WichitaSooner]

With all the talk of WRs, let me ask this question. Since we sign multiple high school WRs in every recruiting cycle, when was the last one who DEVELOPED into an above-average college WR at OU? Why do we have to keep going to the portal to get them when the majority should be coming through the program out of high school. It sounds more like we need an upgrade at the coaching level as well someone who can identify talent. I can't be the only person who is tired of signing top 200 high school prospects like Kearney only to have them not make an impact and then transfer to another school.

It’s a very fair question. I don’t know that it’s necessarily true that you “should” primarily rely on high school guys these days. Indiana and Ole Miss are examples of teams that were built through the portal and I think we will see more and more of that. But it’s absolutely true that when you’re signing highly rated high school kids, it’s extremely concerning when you can’t develop them, and/or your coaching staff never gives them a chance to play. I am probably missing someone but I can’t think of a WR signed by Brent who has ended up making a real impact. Our skill guys have been horribly developed under Jones and DeMarco. And of course, when guys leave, the people who refuse to acknowledge any issues just say, well, so-and-so isn’t any good so what does it matter? I guess my answer is, if that happens repeatedly, you obviously aren’t recruiting the right guys out of high school.

 

[BCSooners]

Have you read my posts? I didn’t complain they got Livingstone or Harris. I said I don’t understand why now, after getting them, we are still recruiting additional WRs rather than looking at RBs, which is a position of greater need. Agree or disagree, my position is easy to understand, but I’ll spell it out again. We now have Sategna and the two new guys. We also have a guy (Thomas) who already sat for one season despite being hyped beyond belief. We also have Choice, who was also talked up a lot coming into this year. We have two incoming freshman who are already being talked about as guys who may be good enough to play next season. We have a GM who has publicly said he wants the young guys to get playing time. So, why are we actively offering G5 guys? Add to this the fact that we had a very tight rotation at that spot this year. We would play three guys the vast majority of a game, with one or two other guys getting a very occasional snap. If you truly believe you have four or five really good freshmen or redshirt freshmen, plus Sategna, the two new guys, Jordan, and Carter, you already have about 10 guys.

By contrast, at RB, we just came off a season where we were so desperate for bodies that we had put Ott on the field for a snap or two in the LSU game. We played a playoff game with one hand tied behind our back because our two “best” backs were hurt, two other guys had quit, and another (Tatum) was hurt or disinterested all season. X and Blaylock, both of whom were hurt to varying degrees all season, are the only two returnees, and all we have added is a small situational back who will likely not provide anything in the run game. So two guys with an injury history, one G5 depth piece, and two high school kids. Compared to WR, it seems abundantly clear which position is in need of more depth and better talent. Yet there is no indication we are offering more backs, all while we continue to seek WR 12 or 13.

We don’t currently have a back who would be near the top half of our league. And we also don’t have any experienced depth. If this is the group we take into next season, I can all but guarantee that within the first month of the year, the same old “why can’t OU run the ball consistently” question will be repeated, and we will have people saying, well, gee, if only X and Blaylock were healthy, trust me, they’d be really good.

Unfortunately I have read your posts. It's the same thing with the overly negative nature of your comments. OU had 2 incredible days and your complaining about recruiting WRs over RBs and I haven't seen any coach or Nagy say they are done recruiting RBs.

I also have no idea why you put quotations around "best backs", do you not think the guys who were the leading rushers and played 99% of the snaps at the end of the season weren't the best?

We don't have a back who would be near the top half of the SEC? You have proof of this correct? I think the freshman all-SEC player might be decent, but that's just me.

 

[daqman]

So spend $5mil on who?

i was about 90% joking....but how much did chambliss cost last year?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

We don't have a back who would be near the top half of the SEC? You have proof of this correct? I think the freshman all-SEC player might be decent, but that's just me.

I'm pretty confident we don't have a top half of the SEC back on the roster.

There is a chance a healthy X could be top half. But from what he has shown so far, he isn't.

X was 11th in the SEC last year in ypc.
Blaylock was 20th

 

[WichitaSooner]

Unfortunately I have read your posts. It's the same thing with the overly negative nature of your comments. OU had 2 incredible days and your complaining about recruiting WRs over RBs and I haven't seen any coach or Nagy say they are done recruiting RBs.

I also have no idea why you put quotations around "best backs", do you not think the guys who were the leading rushers and played 99% of the snaps at the end of the season weren't the best?

We don't have a back who would be near the top half of the SEC? You have proof of this correct? I think the freshman all-SEC player might be decent, but that's just me.

So you read the posts and purposefully asked a disingenuous question since you knew I hadn't once complained about the first two WRs we signed? Cool.

I think X and Blaylock should be backups. They were our best by default because they were the only two RBs on the team who hadn't quit by the middle of the season.

As for top half of the conference, my basis for that prediction is three years of awful results in the run game since Gray graduated. This year, our leading rusher ended up with under 500 yards and averaged barely over 3 YPC against real competition, so I don't think my prediction is very far out there.

And overly negative? I said things seem to have gone very well overall and then simply raised a question about one position. It has become a talking point because a few posters seem determined to keep pushing back instead of acknowledging something that is obvious to anyone, which is that our running game has been bad and we have yet to upgrade that position.

 

[daqman]

I'm pretty confident we don't have a top half of the SEC back on the roster.

There is a chance a healthy X could be top half. But from what he has shown so far, he isn't.

X was 11th in the SEC last year in ypc.
Blaylock was 20th

imo....that was not because of their talent/abilities.
arbuckle and bb need to get on the same page wrt run game.....also better tight ends who can run block.

i feel pretty good about our rb's for next season.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

imo....that was not because of their talent/abilities.
arbuckle and bb need to get on the same page wrt run game.....also better tight ends who can run block.

i feel pretty good about our rb's for next season.

even in the rare case where the blcoking was good, they either missed the holes or were not able to make anyone miss.
I literally can't think of a single play that a RB made this year that was impressive. I vaguely remember blaylock having a good rundown the sideline for a score. But that is about it. I'm sure I'm missing some but even with a bad oline and blocking, top RBs make something out of nothing.

I think X could be a guy like that if he stays healthy. But that is a huge if