Grade Kruger's coaching job so far this season

[jerry]

Even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that Taylor Griffin had a lot to do with bringing Blake Griffin to OU.

Capel was a joke. His first year and the fact that he was only successful with two or three recruits in 5 years at OU is the real measure of Capel.

TJ Taylor, TMG, Tiny Gallon, WW, Ray Willis, Tony Neysmith, Orlando Allen, Kyle Cannon, Juan Pattillo, Kyle Hardrick, Nick Thompson, Ahmed Abdul, the kid from West Virginia, Carl Blair, etc. etc. are the measure of Jeff Capel. That and his losing record in conference play notwithstanding that he had Blake Griffin for two seasons.

Capel was horrible. He had two good seasons with Sampson's players and Blake Griffin. Capel destroyed the OU basketball program.

Agree 100%

 

[bgrch1350]

Even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that Taylor Griffin had a lot to do with bringing Blake Griffin to OU.

Capel was a joke. His first year and the fact that he was only successful with two or three recruits in 5 years at OU is the real measure of Capel.

TJ Taylor, TMG, Tiny Gallon, WW, Ray Willis, Tony Neysmith, Orlando Allen, Kyle Cannon, Juan Pattillo, Kyle Hardrick, Nick Thompson, Ahmed Abdul, the kid from West Virginia, Carl Blair, etc. etc. are the measure of Jeff Capel. That and his losing record in conference play notwithstanding that he had Blake Griffin for two seasons.

Capel was horrible. He had two good seasons with Sampson's players and Blake Griffin. Capel destroyed the OU basketball program.

Williie Warren was his as well. And Capel put together 1 of the best teams in OU history.

 

[Soonercuda]

The revsionist history on Capel by some of you is crazy. He did a very good job of coaching his first three years at OU...followed by two years of absolutely terrible coaching. When you combine two terrible years with some NCAA violations by your staff you get fired...he did "earn" his firing. But the desire to diminish his elite 8 year is off base.

 

[Krugerfan52]

Apparently you have been sniffing glue,itis common knowledge that Blake was NOT even seriously considering OU under Sampson.Capel got the job and put the recruiting rush on Blake and got him.

exactly. But people like to remember it a different way. They bash Capel for Blake Griffin instead of praise him like they did when he got Blake and then helped develop him from a guy that fell down every other play to a guy who won the national player of the year.

It makes people feel better to blame it all on Capel. But Kelvin, Capel, and Kruger all have a part in OU not making the tourney last year, looking bad this year and whatever happens next year.

But I believe Kruger should be more responsible for this year and next year than Capel, Kelvin or anybody before that.

Im sure there will still be people 3 years from now blaming Capel

 

[Krugerfan52]

Don't let Sid fool you. I know for a fact that he was happy with the Capel hire at first. Now he's trying to act like he was some kind of soothsayer who saw the train wreck coming. He didn't. None of us did.

exactly. If you go back to Capel first 3 years nearly everybody on this board was saying how awesome he was. Just go look at the threads. The only guy that bashed him was ABD and he just waits to bash ou basketball every time they lose.

From 2006-2008 this board was created and grew thanks to Capel. He had two knuckleheads named TMG and Tiny, one bad year that led to another and we got rid of him. Its time to move on.

 

[Sid]

Evading the OP's question? He asked posters to grade Kruger's coaching job so far this season. I gave him a C. Unlike you, I'm here nearly every day through the good and the bad. I don't just pop in every few weeks to make cute remarks and repeat the same ol' theme.

Welcome back, by the way. Not that anyone really missed you.

Now I am considered a drive-by fan because of my post count? I still check in occasionally during the basketball season. You are behaving more like "you know who" in your old age. I must have inadvertently scrolled past one of your previous comments where you posted Lon's grade. I apologize for that innocent error.

Lon lost to SFA. Capel lost to SFA. Are you grading on a bell curve? I believe you gave Lon a C-(?) at the end of last season. I do not understand why Lon can't find one kid in the United States to run his offense. At one time, Trav said the Clarke(sp) kid was a must get for the OU program. Did Lon drop the ball or is the kid considered a troublemaker?

Because of Joe's poor decisions, Oklahoma has a struggling basketball program in a troubled sport. IMO, if Joe wants to attract more fans to the 1970's concert/sports arena, he needs to book more belly dancers and plate spinners to entertain the kindergarten crowd and the nursing home folks during halftime.

In reference to the BB program, what grade would you give Joe C? A+? The next time I run into Kelvin at the Toyota Center I will give him your regards. Happy Festivus.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Williie Warren was his as well. And Capel put together 1 of the best teams in OU history.

Looking at the past 30+ years, Coach Capel put together SEVERAL of the WORST teams in OU history.

 

[bocabull]

Looking at the past 30+ years, Coach Capel put together SEVERAL of the WORST teams in OU history.

Capel only put together 1 bad team. The TMG Tiny team. He was handed a weak team and built it over 2 years into one of the 5 best OU teams of alltime.

When it's all said and done he was above average. His coaching was definitely above average. So far Kruger is proving to be an inferior game day coach to Capel.

 

[Max Power]

Capel only put together 1 bad team. The TMG Tiny team. He was handed a weak team and built it over 2 years into one of the 5 best OU teams of alltime.

When it's all said and done he was above average. His coaching was definitely above average. So far Kruger is proving to be an inferior game day coach to Capel.

so we are ignoring the next year after that?

 

[Big Old Booger]

exactly. If you go back to Capel first 3 years nearly everybody on this board was saying how awesome he was. Just go look at the threads. The only guy that bashed him was ABD and he just waits to bash ou basketball every time they lose.

From 2006-2008 this board was created and grew thanks to Capel. He had two knuckleheads named TMG and Tiny, one bad year that led to another and we got rid of him. Its time to move on.

That's wrong. I was very vocal in my disgust with Capel after both year 1 and 2. He fooled me with year 3 though so I jumped on the bandwagon.

I could see after year 1 he wasn't the guy, but BG saved his job and, indirectly, so did Kelvin by signing Taylor. Without Taylor, no way BG comes to OU. Sorry.

After and during year 2, I was very frustrated. We looked like total horse crap in a number of games in year 2 and most of those games we had the best player on the floor. Lots of very bad losses including 2 or 3 down the stretch that proved we had problems at the top.

 

[AdaSooner]

Now I am considered a drive-by fan because of my post count? I still check in occasionally during the basketball season. You are behaving more like "you know who" in your old age. I must have inadvertently scrolled past one of your previous comments where you posted Lon's grade. I apologize for that innocent error.

You know that I don't grade anyone by their post count, especially someone like you who has been around fan boards since I started posting many years ago.

Since you bailed after LK was hired and rarely post anymore, the drive-by fan moniker might be a good fit, though. In case you missed my meaning, that's my way of saying that if you want to be part of a discussion, come around more often and put an end to the hit and run style you have adopted lately. It's not becoming of a gentleman like you.

You're right about one thing. I'm getting a little crabby in my old age. And, you didn't miss my post that gave Kruger a C. It was in the vote I cast in the poll, that's the way online polls work. The results will be available at the end and you'll see how I voted.

I'm not totally happy with everything I've seen this year, but I'm still on board with LK as our coach. That's what diehard OU basketball fans do, until the time comes to say he's had enough time to prove himself. If that day is somewhere in our coach's future, I won't mince words in saying that he didn't work out and Joe C screwed up again. But, I'm not even close to doing that now. No coach should be judged by what he has accomplished halfway through his second season, especially when his predecessor left him with a huge mess to fix.

Stop by more often, it's always good to see you.

 

[bocabull]

so we are ignoring the next year after that?

Not ignoring it. The year after was the aftershock from the WW, TMG, Tiny implosion.

 

[Sid]

You know that I don't grade anyone by their post count, especially someone like you who has been around fan boards since I started posting many years ago.

Since you bailed after LK was hired and rarely post anymore, the drive-by fan moniker might be a good fit, though. In case you missed my meaning, that's my way of saying that if you want to be part of a discussion, come around more often and put an end to the hit and run style you have adopted lately. It's not becoming of a gentleman like you.

You're right about one thing. I'm getting a little crabby in my old age. And, you didn't miss my post that gave Kruger a C. It was in the vote I cast in the poll, that's the way online polls work. The results will be available at the end and you'll see how I voted.

I'm not totally happy with everything I've seen this year, but I'm still on board with LK as our coach. That's what diehard OU basketball fans do, until the time comes to say he's had enough time to prove himself. If that day is somewhere in our coach's future, I won't mince words in saying that he didn't work out and Joe C screwed up again. But, I'm not even close to doing that now. No coach should be judged by what he has accomplished halfway through his second season, especially when his predecessor left him with a huge mess to fix.

Stop by more often, it's always good to see you.

Grade Kruger's coaching job so far this season
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OK. I get it. In the past, you have never been shy about "openly" expressing your opinions concerning the OU basketball program. I check in periodically to read what you and Trav have to say because I value the opinions and knowledge the two of you have for Oklahoma basketball.

FYI, I have not given up on Lon. Trav made some good points in a previous post. I hope Lon gets the program turned around but if he fails, Joe should be held accountable for making another poor decision.

Having said all of that, why did you ignore my Joe C and SC recruitment questions?

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

That is my concern, is the talent level going to be good enough to win in the Big 12.

B-, C+. I'm hoping to stay within 40 of KU.

 

[AdaSooner]

Grade Kruger's coaching job so far this season
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OK. I get it. In the past, you have never been shy about "openly" expressing your opinions concerning the OU basketball program. I check in periodically to read what you and Trav have to say because I value the opinions and knowledge the two of you have for Oklahoma basketball.

FYI, I have not given up on Lon. Trav made some good points in a previous post. I hope Lon gets the program turned around but if he fails, Joe should be held accountable for making another poor decision.

Having said all of that, why did you ignore my Joe C and SC recruitment questions?

I'll answer the question I understand. I have no idea what you mean by SC? Playmakr is good at deciphering your riddles, I'm not. :ez-laugh:

I would give Joe C no better than a D for the Capel hire. It's impossible to ignore the goods things Jeff did, (Blake, WW, an Elite 8, etc), which is why I cannot in all good conscience give him a F for being a total failure. It's also impossible to forget what a disaster his last two years turned out to be. Thus, our AD gets a D for his efforts.

The jury is still out on Joe C's grade for hiring Coach Kruger. I can appreciate the position he was in with the NCAA breathing down our neck after Capel left. He had to go with a safe hire. Back to back to back (meaning three) NCAA investigations usually lead to lengthy sanctions, or worse. The death penalty was certainly possible if the coach he hired failed to keep the slate clean.

Kruger was probably the best option, considering the circumstanes. And, he has been successful everywhere he's been. I truly believe that will continue at OU, it's just going to take time. I doubt if the majority of fans can fully appreciate what a hole we were in when LK came to town. You do, which is one of the reasons you should be more understanding, and patient, in giving Lon a chance to fix it.

By the way, have you forgotten how to PM me?

 

[61sooner]

I gave him a C. OU's BB program is a long way from being in the elite or really good class i. e. NCAA Sweet 16 or Elite 8.
I hope that LK can get this program respectable, an NCAA bid in his 1st 4 years. Don't expect miracles but eliminate losses like to SFAustin soon.
Top half of the conference. Then if he wants to retire and turn OU over to someone else, there will be a platform to really move upward with. Right now I think we have several years of highs and lows coming up.
Also need to energize the fan base which will help with recruiting and creating a home court atmosphere like we have at Owen Field.
Behind the Sooners all the way.

 

[colston15]

I say B. We have an identity, at least on defense, for the first time since Blake's final season.

We're starting to develop some grit for the first time in a long time, too.

Bottom line, no matter what 'grade' you assign Kruger, his track record speaks for itself. If he doesn't turn us around, it'll be the first in five stops he hasn't been successful.

 

[jerry]

I say B. We have an identity, at least on defense, for the first time since Blake's final season.

We're starting to develop some grit for the first time in a long time, too.

Bottom line, no matter what 'grade' you assign Kruger, his track record speaks for itself. If he doesn't turn us around, it'll be the first in five stops he hasn't been successful.

Very well said. It will take some time to clean up what Capel left us.

 

[Krugerfan52]

I gave Kruger a C before the SFA loss. I could see how some of you could give him a B, especially before the SFA loss. But the four people who gave him an A can't be serious.

If we were 9-1 right now you could make a case for giving him an A. 9-1 is the best record you could hope for right now with this group. But even if we were 9-1, do you think the performances against Northwestern State, UT-Arlington and Oral Roberts were worthy of an A?

I'm sorry, but people who give him an A right now are just showing their extreme bias/blindness.

I seriously doubt that if Jeff Capel or anybody else had come in and gone 15-18 his first year and then gone 7-3 his second year losing 2 out of 3 that people would be giving him an A. Much less the 23 B's that people gave him.

 

[JBaker]

Bump.