Honestly, anybody we get is an upgrade over Capel's last 2 years

[StatGeek]

My implication was that Jones or Marshall would be no more successful than Capel was while he was here. That is what I meant by another Capel. Should have phrased it better. However, Jones is coaching in a MUCH weaker conference than Capel was in and went 8-8. Just not on board with a Jones hire. And by many on this boards admission, Marshall is not a good Xs & Os guy. He gets caught up in trying to rile up fans when he should be coaching. In some cases he will turn his back to the floor (which is similar to putting ones head in their hands) to pump up the crowd. If you can't see that Jones and Marshall are just as risky as any other name out there, you are ignorant. It is all conjecture at this point. No one is going to be pleased with how this turns out.

I am not a Jones guy either, with all due respect to the guy from Wichita that criticized Marshall's actual coaching ability, I trust a proven history of success (and my own eyes) more than his analysis. I don't remember claiming that any candidate was without risk, but I realize you really just wanted to call me ignorant as payback. I certainly agree that it's all conjecture at this point but I disagree that everyone will be displeased with the eventual hire.

 

[TINY]

The most up to date number I could find was $1.2m

gosh that is pretty steep, imo. That is the max I would offer that guy for the ou job. Might need to cross him off the list

 

[stoops4pres]

I think Fran would bring in some good assistants, and I think he has a chip on his shoulder after the way his run at UNM ended. I also think it would be a splash hire because of his work on ESPN and it would get us some ESPN pub.

See what you are saying about the ESPN hire, I just don't know how much that would resonate with the fanbase and/or recruits. That's a tough scenario to quantify, at least for me.

I think he's better than the ones I listed because Fran was successful at SJU which is a major institution. He recruited Postell and Artest so he can recruit good talent. Those other 3 guys have never had to prove anything outside of a mid-major and that is a big jump for a lot of coaches.

Perhaps it is premature to judge his resume at SJU, but 1 NCAA First Round appearance (with Artest, etc) and a losing record in two seasons is hard for me to get excited about. When you take into account his tenure at a quality basketball program like New Mexico as well, his resume of only 1 NCAA Tournament appearance in 5 seasons is pretty underwhelming. An argument can be made that Sendek has had more success while coaching major college basketball than Fraschilla has.

And you're right when saying Bennett and Jacobson are lacking experience at a major program, but they have both done better than what Fran did at Manhattan. In fact, both have been further in the tournament than Fran ever has at any job (both have made the Sweet 16).

I think Fran's recruiting prowess would be the X-factor. The issue is whether or not he could bring in great talent that isn't from the inner cities of New York. I see your points about Fran, I just don't think he's a sure thing over some of the guys you mentioned. I wouldn't want him or Sendek in fact. I wouldn't be opposed to Bennett or Jacobson.

I definitely agree with you that I would take him over J. Jones though.

 

[Hecubus]

So why not Tubby Smith then? He's done more than anyone else available at this point. Still don't get the aversion Joe C. has to Tubby other than his obsession with treasure hunting the mid-major and assistant ranks.

Or perhaps its Geno. He's still playing. Perhaps after he wins yet another womens championship we'll get a new coach and we can watch everyones heads implode.

 

[stoops4pres]

I am not a Jones guy either, with all due respect to the guy from Wichita that criticized Marshall's actual coaching ability, I trust a proven history of success (and my own eyes) more than his analysis.

I would take Marshall over a number of candidates that have been thrown around here.

 

[soonerwink]

I am not a Jones guy either, with all due respect to the guy from Wichita that criticized Marshall's actual coaching ability, I trust a proven history of success (and my own eyes) more than his analysis. I don't remember claiming that any candidate was without risk, but I realize you really just wanted to call me ignorant as payback. I certainly agree that it's all conjecture at this point but I disagree that everyone will be displeased with the eventual hire.

Not looking to go back and forth with anyone about ignorant thinking. I wanted Capel gone, but this list I am seeing is not an upgrade. What is the fascination with Jones? I don't get it. He is mildly successful in a horrible conference. I know UNT was real bad when he got there, but it is not like they are world beaters now. Marshall? A week ago people were DREADING this hire and all of a sudden people watch him beat Washington State and now all of a suddent he would be okay? I think people are reaching now that our options are dwindling. Marshall and Jones would want close to $1 million to come here and neither are worth it. Maybe we should just give the job to Evans, he wouldn't hurt our bottom line and he could spend much more on assistants. I know Evans is a bad hire, but they ALL are at this point (in terms of the lists being tossed around now).

 

[TINY]

So why not Tubby Smith then? He's done more than anyone else available at this point. Still don't get the aversion Joe C. has to Tubby other than his obsession with treasure hunting the mid-major and assistant ranks.

Or perhaps its Geno. He's still playing. Perhaps after he wins yet another womens championship we'll get a new coach and we can watch everyones heads implode.

Doesn't Tubby make like $2 mill a year? If that is the case, he is the most overpaid coach in the country.

 

[seniorsooner]

Tubby makes serious coin at Minnesota.

 

[MercedeSooner]

Doesn't Tubby make like $2 mill a year? If that is the case, he is the most overpaid coach in the country.

With all the built in incentives supposedly 3.3M.

 

[campbest]

I hate Fran Fraschilla (as a basketball coach)...anyone advocating his hire has no idea what they're talking about. He didn't do crap at St. John's and completely killed a New Mexico program. For those who don't know, UNM went to the NCAAs 7 out of the 9 years before Fran got there. His Manhattan credentials? Please, he was recruiting inner-city New York and flamed out on bigger jobs. Would you be OK with a Bobby Gonzalez hire? Because that's almost the exact same background. Frachilla's players quit on him during the middle of a game, one even left the floor and went into the locker room not to return.

There have been people who liked Marshall before the win tonight, but their voice was lost in all of the nonsense and rumors flying around this board the past few days. OU needs someone who can build and run a program for sustainability, a splash hire isn't going to happen.

Stallings, Jones and Marshall are all good hires in my opinion. Johnny Jones' incoming freshman class is leaps and bounds better than OU's when you look at the offers the kids received.

 

[boksooner]

Tubby makes $3.3m per year.

 

[StatGeek]

Not looking to go back and forth with anyone about ignorant thinking. I wanted Capel gone, but this list I am seeing is not an upgrade. What is the fascination with Jones? I don't get it. He is mildly successful in a horrible conference. I know UNT was real bad when he got there, but it is not like they are world beaters now. Marshall? A week ago people were DREADING this hire and all of a sudden people watch him beat Washington State and now all of a suddent he would be okay? I think people are reaching now that our options are dwindling. Marshall and Jones would want close to $1 million to come here and neither are worth it. Maybe we should just give the job to Evans, he wouldn't hurt our bottom line and he could spend much more on assistants. I know Evans is a bad hire, but they ALL are at this point (in terms of the lists being tossed around now).

What is your rationale for dismissing Marshall's 13 years of successful head coaching experience at two universities? My defense of Marshall has absolutely zero to do with tonights game.

 

[seniorsooner]

I just don't get the Gregg Marshall haters. Is he Coach K? No. Would he be a hire to "dread" or hate? Absolutely not.

 

[stoops4pres]

Not looking to go back and forth with anyone about ignorant thinking. I wanted Capel gone, but this list I am seeing is not an upgrade. What is the fascination with Jones? I don't get it. He is mildly successful in a horrible conference. I know UNT was real bad when he got there, but it is not like they are world beaters now. Marshall? A week ago people were DREADING this hire and all of a sudden people watch him beat Washington State and now all of a suddent he would be okay? I think people are reaching now that our options are dwindling. Marshall and Jones would want close to $1 million to come here and neither are worth it. Maybe we should just give the job to Evans, he wouldn't hurt our bottom line and he could spend much more on assistants. I know Evans is a bad hire, but they ALL are at this point (in terms of the lists being tossed around now).

Whoever was "dreading" it didn't know what they were talking about. He is one of the better candidates that has been thrown around.

 

[jerry]

I just don't get the Gregg Marshall haters. Is he Coach K? No. Would he be a hire to "dread" or hate? Absolutely not.

Yeah his teams look allot better than I have seen from Capel the last 2 years.

 

[soonerwink]

Yeah his teams look allot better than I have seen from Capel the last 2 years.

It sounds like this is all a moot point anyway. Marshall contacted OU, Mizzou, and NC State about their openings and none are interested. Personally, I don't want Marshall. Don't think he has a very high upside. I don't see him recruiting this area particularly well. I don't think he will get people to LNC. I think he would be a bottom 3 coach in this conference. All adds up to a short tenure in my opinion.

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

It sounds like this is all a moot point anyway. Marshall contacted OU, Mizzou, and NC State about their openings and none are interested. Personally, I don't want Marshall. Don't think he has a very high upside. I don't see him recruiting this area particularly well. I don't think he will get people to LNC. I think he would be a bottom 3 coach in this conference. All adds up to a short tenure in my opinion.

At this point, I think pretty much anyone would be a "bottom 3" coach in some people's opinion. The new Big 12 is gonna be one hell of a conference.

Baylor - Drew (Terrible coach but awesome recruiter)
Iowa State - Hoiberg (Has like 6 transfers coming in)
Kansas State - Martin (Speaks for itself)
Kansas - Self (Speaks for itself)
Missouri - N/A...but if they can steal Painter that speaks for itself
Oklahoma - ???
Oklahoma State - Ford (Well...at least he got Nash lol)
Texas - Barnes (Basically a better version of Drew)
Texas A&M - Turgeon (Speaks for itself)
Texas Tech - BCG (Speaks for itself if he lays off the booze)

I think that if we hire the right coach, such as Kruger or Stallings at this point, that they can succeed here but they will have a tough task ahead.

 

[soonerwink]

At this point, I think pretty much anyone would be a "bottom 3" coach in some people's opinion. The new Big 12 is gonna be one hell of a conference.

Baylor - Drew (Terrible coach but awesome recruiter)
Iowa State - Hoiberg (Has like 6 transfers coming in)
Kansas State - Martin (Speaks for itself)
Kansas - Self (Speaks for itself)
Missouri - N/A...but if they can steal Painter that speaks for itself
Oklahoma - ???
Oklahoma State - Ford (Well...at least he got Nash lol)
Texas - Barnes (Basically a better version of Drew)
Texas A&M - Turgeon (Speaks for itself)
Texas Tech - BCG (Speaks for itself if he lays off the booze)

I think that if we hire the right coach, such as Kruger or Stallings at this point, that they can succeed here but they will have a tough task ahead.

And there lies our BIGGEST problem. I think some of these coaches who were possibilities are looking at this conference and realize that we have very little talent, pending NCAA sanctions, and have some of the top college coaches in the country in this conference. I am sure they would love the chance to beat those coaches, but in our current condition, this program is almost on life support. Thank you Capel and Castiglione, you have almost killed this program.

 

[Big Old Booger]

And there lies our BIGGEST problem. I think some of these coaches who were possibilities are looking at this conference and realize that we have very little talent, pending NCAA sanctions, and have some of the top college coaches in the country in this conference. I am sure they would love the chance to beat those coaches, but in our current condition, this program is almost on life support. Thank you Capel and Castiglione, you have almost killed this program.

Yep. They took a very good program and turned it into the Baylor of Big 12 basketball.

 

[152219]

I don't remember...why did Fran leave SJU for UNM?