Jurick signs with Oklahoma State.... OSU joins the fray.

[Mr.B!!!]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Still waiting for your explanation about why Guerrero and Jurick were awesome when they were OU targets, but bums once they signed with OSU....

Because they signed with oSu, duh?

 

[skyvue]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Still waiting for your explanation about why Guerrero and Jurick were awesome when they were OU targets, but bums once they signed with OSU....

And I'm still waiting for a defense of oswho's scheduling practices and an explanation of why their fans, when touting their accomplishments, both in basketball and football, never seem to seem go beyond citing a win total, refusing to consider the quality of the teams they've actually beaten.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

And I'm still waiting for a defense of why oswho's scheduling practices and an explanation of why their fans, when touting their accomplishments, both in basketball and football, never seem to seem go beyond citing a win total, refusing to consider the quality of the teams they've actually beaten.

"But OU lost to Chaminade" didn't explain it well enough?

 

[coolm]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Because they signed with oSu, duh?

EXACTLY!

geez Jeff ... you been living under a rock?

 

[bocabull]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Still waiting for your explanation about why Jurick was awesome when he was an OU target, but a bum once he signed with OSU....

LOL @ this 9.5 blocked shots per game bogus stat. Teams average about 55 shots per game so we are supposed to believe this lead footed stiff that Kruger passed on blocked 17% of every shot taken? So on average this slow guy in this video swatted 1 out of every 6 shots even though he has trouble moving 4 feet at a time?

FYI Kansas as a team led the Big XII with 5 blocked shots per game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pchk06-4lc&feature=player_embedded

The video posted is for highlights of 2 of Jurick's games. In 2 games he should have registered a remarkable 19 blocked shots according to ABD's stats.

Interestingly only a single blocked shot made it's way into the video highlights of the 2 games. You would sure think that when you have a record setting shot blocker, with the most blocks per game at any level in basketball in the entire nation there would be an abundance of video evidence.

This guy reminds me of that boxing movie, the great white hype. I wonder how long it took Kruger to turn off the tape and throw away his phone number?

The answer is simple.

Like Kruger, I saw film of the guy and laughed. Like Kruger, I did some quick fact checking and math to determine that 9.5 blocks per game is almost certainly bogus. Unless, you think the sloth in that video really blocked 19 shots in those 2 games and the guy operating the camera missed 18 of them. Unless you really believe that bigfoot blocked 1 out of every 6 shots attempted vs his team this season.

Still laughing about pigfarmers 5'6" and under squad.

 

[Ou Tugfest]

Who on osu's roster next year is under 6 foot? Page and????

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Who on osu's roster next year is under 6 foot? Page and????

Probably more guys than we think...your coach just makes them look taller than they really are.

 

[HoHum]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

And I'm still waiting for a defense of why oswho's scheduling practices and an explanation of why their fans, when touting their accomplishments, both in basketball and football, never seem to seem go beyond citing a win total, refusing to consider the quality of the teams they've actually beaten.

Because you play who you play, and that's what fans do. Are you new to message boards? Am I just blind to the masses of fans around the internet, with the ability to be totally anonymous, that are wholly truthful and all of their posts are filled with unbiased thoughts?

OSU did NOT have a bad non-conference schedule this year, no matter how many strokes of the keyboard you waste trying to say otherwise. They won 6 in conference, one in the conference tournament and one in the NIT.

They beat 5 or 6 solid NIT level teams out of conference, as you said. Beating multiple NIT teams is not a sign of poor non-conference scheduling. Once again, kenpom had OSU having the 4th hardest non-conference schedule in the Big XII (behind KU, KSU and UT). Maybe that's an indication of poor Big XII scheduling. But it's silly to act as if OSU had an incredibly easy schedule, when teams with worse schedules had much worse seasons.

 

[fhosu]

Are you even willing to admit those videos are from a jamboree and not even real games from the actual juco season or are you too delusional for that? The video is from 2009, the players are wearing target jerseys, the refs are in shorts, no one is watching the game, and no one in that video is running up and down the court. Also, it's not like ABD pulled the blocked shots stat out of his ass, it's from the NJCAA website.

No comment about the video, boca? That video is from before Jurick even played an actual game for Chatt State (2009). Funny how you leave those kinds of things out or is there some secret video you and Kruger watched together other than the one you keep embedding in threads? Maybe one where he was playing in an actual game?

 

[thebigabd]

No comment about the video, boca? That video is from before Jurick even played an actual game for Chatt State (2009). Funny how you leave those kinds of things out or is there some secret video you and Kruger watched together other than the one you keep embedding in threads? Maybe one where he was playing in an actual game?

Pwned.

 

[StinkyPete43]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Like I said, I don't like the idea of Fitz trying to post up on Jurick, but he may actually be a player that Fitz could take off the dribble [if he can dribble]. I'm really coming off as hating Fitz on this thread...probably need to slow my roll there, I think he is a solid player, just very limited. If he had any amount of ability to elevate above the rim, he'd be a great player, at least offensively.

Osby vs. Nash should be interesting, but I like the idea of a fourth year Junior taking on a ballyhooed freshman. Athletically they strike me as very similar in their high school tapes with RO probably being the stronger of the two now due to being in a college weight program for the last four years. I just want to see what the guy can do, if everything we hear is true, then it could completely turn our fortunes around.

I'm new on this board and yes I am an OSU fan but I am a huge basketball fan also and a fan of anything Big 12(-2) related.

Cobbins, Shaw, and Jurrick are the only TRUE post players OSU has. Nash and Olukemi will rotate between the 3 and four also on smaller lineups. Don't count out Darrell Williams either.. Ford really likes this kid because let's face it he should probably be kicked off the team for PR reasons but Ford is counting on Darrell being back next year. The OSU team visited a Kids hospital the other day and Darrell was there and OSU had a recruiting visitor the other day from Chicago and Darrell was his host... I honestly think OU can be legit next year. I like Lon Kruger a lot and wanted OSU to take a look at him when Sean was fired. Don't let other OSU fans tell you that he is awful because I know for sure Holder considered him. I think Sam Grooms is your most important pick up. I am sorry but I never liked Blair any pressure on him and he folds. If Blair hadn't had so many Turnovers in Stillwater this year OU sweeps OSU this year.... Your lineup should be IMO

1. Grooms/ Blair (Blair does have experience which is huge in conference play)
2. Pledger
3. Clark
4. Fitz
5. Osby

That is not a bad lineup at all. Not a lot of depth but I think that can go at least .500 in conference. Point Guard play and Depth is the only issue OU will have this year.

 

[oSuJeff97]

And I'm still waiting for a defense of oswho's scheduling practices and an explanation of why their fans, when touting their accomplishments, both in basketball and football, never seem to seem go beyond citing a win total, refusing to consider the quality of the teams they've actually beaten.

Ummmm... OK....

First off, why are we even talking about football here? But yeah - I know... every team that OSU beats in football sucks, we've just scheduled our way into 9- and 10-win seasons recently, blah, blah, blah.

So on basketball - what in the world are you talking about? OSU's SOS via RPI was #37 in the country this past year. That's 37th out of 345 teams. So OSU had a stronger schedule than almost 90% of college basketball teams.

Our schedule was obviously strong enough the previous two seasons to make the NCAA Tournament.

So what's your "point" again???

:facepalm

By all means... keep posting that OSU's schedule sucks without any factual basis. It makes you look "smart," like Boca.

Speaking of the resident Ralph Wiggum:

Still laughing about pigfarmers 5'6" and under squad.

I'm still laughing at your inability to defend your hilariously contradictory posts re: Jurick and Gurerro.

Posting your "thoughts" after they signed with OSU doesn't count, genius.

 

[Tony]

So on basketball - what in the world are you talking about? OSU's SOS via RPI was #37 in the country this past year. That's 37th out of 345 teams. So OSU had a stronger schedule than almost 90% of college basketball teams.

Because they play in the Big 12. Are you seriously making this argument? The point is non-conference games -- the ones OSU has control of on their schedule.

By all means... keep posting that OSU's schedule sucks without any factual basis.

There is plenty of factual basis behind it. That you disagree with the conclusion others reach when interpreting those facts doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[AdaSooner]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

Philip Jurick / Lebryan Nash

vs.

Andrew Fitz / Romero Osby

That should be entertaining.

I'll take the Sooners in that match up.

 

[AdaSooner]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

I'm new on this board and yes I am an OSU fan but I am a huge basketball fan also and a fan of anything Big 12(-2) related.

Cobbins, Shaw, and Jurrick are the only TRUE post players OSU has. Nash and Olukemi will rotate between the 3 and four also on smaller lineups. Don't count out Darrell Williams either.. Ford really likes this kid because let's face it he should probably be kicked off the team for PR reasons but Ford is counting on Darrell being back next year. The OSU team visited a Kids hospital the other day and Darrell was there and OSU had a recruiting visitor the other day from Chicago and Darrell was his host... I honestly think OU can be legit next year. I like Lon Kruger a lot and wanted OSU to take a look at him when Sean was fired. Don't let other OSU fans tell you that he is awful because I know for sure Holder considered him. I think Sam Grooms is your most important pick up. I am sorry but I never liked Blair any pressure on him and he folds. If Blair hadn't had so many Turnovers in Stillwater this year OU sweeps OSU this year.... Your lineup should be IMO

1. Grooms/ Blair (Blair does have experience which is huge in conference play)
2. Pledger
3. Clark
4. Fitz
5. Osby

That is not a bad lineup at all. Not a lot of depth but I think that can go at least .500 in conference. Point Guard play and Depth is the only issue OU will have this year.

Nice first post, Stinky Pete...for a Poke.

It will be interesting to see how the new faces on both teams plays out in our head to head next year. A few OU fans have already conceded the sweep to OSU. I happen to believe a home and home split is more realistic. I've learned to expect most anything when it comes to Bedlam basketball. The best team on paper doesn't always win.

Welcome to OUHoops!

 

[CoachTalk]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

This generated my loudest LOL in a long time, maybe ever, for this site.

its one of my proudest moments!

 

[skyvue]

Because they play in the Big 12. Are you seriously making this argument? The point is non-conference games -- the ones OSU has control of on their schedule.

There is plenty of factual basis behind it. That you disagree with the conclusion others reach when interpreting those facts doesn't mean they don't exist.

Exactly. Twenty wins is okay, but if one is unwilling to examine the quality of the teams against one earned those twenty wins, one shouldn't be bragging.

Football matters because you aggies do the same thing in that sport that you do in basketball: Tout minor accomplishments as major ones. Nine or ten wins a year is fine in football, but if you consistently lose to the better teams you play -- and the aggies do -- and beat only the lesser teams, then it doesn't mean so much.

Given that oswho went 6-10 in conference in basketball, with nary a conference win on the road, you'd have to have an impressive non-conference schedule to even think about bragging about 20 wins. And you didn't, as I've demonstrated above. Again, you beat seven teams that finished .500 or below and only five teams that finished above .500. What's more, only one of those five teams was from a major conference and only one of those wins was on the road -- and that was at Tulsa, where there were surely as many aggies fans on hand as TU faithful.

Sorry, but by no stretch of the imagination is that a tough con-conference schedule.

But keep touting those 20 wins, if you like, and enjoy wearing your "2010 Big 12 South Co-Champions" apparel. Self-delusional bliss is still bliss, I guess.

 

[HoHum]

Exactly. Twenty wins is okay, but if one is unwilling to examine the quality of the teams against one earned those twenty wins, one shouldn't be bragging.

Football matters because you aggies do the same thing in that sport that you do in basketball: Tout minor accomplishments as major ones. Nine or ten wins a year is fine in football, but if you consistently lose to the better teams you play -- and the aggies do -- and beat only the lesser teams, then it doesn't mean so much.

Given that oswho went 6-10 in conference in basketball, with nary a conference win on the road, you'd have to have an impressive non-conference schedule to even think about bragging about 20 wins. And you didn't, as I've demonstrated above. Again, you beat seven teams that finished .500 or below and only five teams that finished above .500. What's more, only one of those five teams was from a major conference and only one of wins was on the road -- and that was at Tulsa, where there were surely as many aggies fans on hand as TU faithful.

Sorry, but by no stretch of the imagination is that a tough con-conference schedule.

But keep touting those 20 wins, if you like, and enjoy wearing your "2010 Big 12 South Co-Champions" apparel. Self-delusional bliss is still bliss, I guess.

Are you going to continue to ignore the kenpom stats that I've posted about in a handful of threads? I don't think anyone has called it a "tough" schedule. But, it isn't a horrible one and was in the top half of the Big XII.

 

[DenverSooner]

Re: BocaBull: Are you drunk?

OSU returns and adds more than OU does next year...

I don't agree that OSU returns more than OU. Both teams were below average. OU loses Cade Davis. OSU lost Marshall, Pilgram, Sidorkas, Williams, and Franklin (it was Franklin that went home?). I have also seen rumors about Penn leaving. The loss of Marshall, Pilgram and Williams is way bigger than the loss of Cade Davis. That is effectively 3 starters even though Williams left after 2/3 of the season. Sidorkas and Franklin both played respectable minutes. That is about 93 minutes of pt a game (I say about because the averages are screwed up given that Williams left in the middle of the season - it is 93 if you count him as being on the team all season).

I personally see OU returning more, especially if you count Osby as returning. I do agree that OSU added more. Quite frankly, OSU seems to have added a lot more.

 

[bocabull]

Just remember folks, it's the off season. thebigOSU always pimps his favorite squad in Orange in the off season. Heck just last summer they had the best recruiting class in the conference coming in, then a month into the season they were a guaranteed lock to make the tournament.

then the games get played and thebigOSU is proven wrong. Rinse, recycle, repeat.