Kansas At Oklahoma
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Good win for the ladies, what more do you want me to say? I been following football recruiting today. I don't think it was on Direct Tv in my area. If and when it shows again I will watch it. Did you hear any bad words during the game or anything?
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Kansas is not very good, but with that being said, I thought this might have been the most efficient game the kids have played this year. One of Gabbi's better games. Maddie and Peyton were solid. Nancy showed some patience on her blocks and showed some valued improvement. I wish the end of the bench could have gotten more minutes with a 35 point lead in the fourth.
I may be wrong, but this team does have an outside chance of hosting a regional. They will have to continue to take steps forward and take none back as they go. It was clear to me they left Baylor behind and played confident and had no effects from their Sunday game. I thought the kids really valued the ball the first half and most of the third quarter. We still have some challenges on the road and then the finishing gauntlet at home. I look forward to watching their progress. We shall see.
I may be wrong, but this team does have an outside chance of hosting a regional. They will have to continue to take steps forward and take none back as they go. It was clear to me they left Baylor behind and played confident and had no effects from their Sunday game. I thought the kids really valued the ball the first half and most of the third quarter. We still have some challenges on the road and then the finishing gauntlet at home. I look forward to watching their progress. We shall see.
Hosting a regional? That would assume that we are one of the top sixteen teams in the nation according to the selection committee. Our first problem is that we have no signature wins. I could see three Big Twelve teams as regional hosts, but not unless someone beats Texas other than Baylor. We have two critical games that would affect a seed: Texas at Oklahoma and Oklahoma at Kansas State. I think that West Virginia has played themselves into a nuisance role at best. I don't know if we can get a top sixteen seed without beating both Kansas State and Texas (or Baylor).
We are 8-3 with:
Road games:
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Texas Tech
TCU
Home games:
Baylor
Texas
West Virginia
Both Texas and Kansas State are ranked just above us in the rpi.
If we don't win these two games and finish at least 13-5, I suspect that we will need, at least, to get to the tournament finals. Being third does give us some limitations.
We are 8-3 with:
Road games:
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Texas Tech
TCU
Home games:
Baylor
Texas
West Virginia
Both Texas and Kansas State are ranked just above us in the rpi.
If we don't win these two games and finish at least 13-5, I suspect that we will need, at least, to get to the tournament finals. Being third does give us some limitations.
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Not so sure WV is finished. They have 8 games left with 5 at home and no more against Baylor or Texas.
Kansas State has a much tougher schedule ahead - as do we.
I think that West Virginia looms larger in our minds because they beat us in Morgantown. They have beaten us once in Norman. But, they only have one road win in the conference---Kansas, 62-51.
I suspect that WV will lose in Norman, Stillwater, and, probably, Iowa State.
I think we win at Tech,TCU, and OSU (?).
Since WV is 4-6, and we are 8-3, they need for us to take some falls. If we finish only 3-4 (11-7), WV would need to go 7-1 to tie.
I think K-State is a more serious threat. They have home games against OU and Iowa State. I really think we win that one. But, they get TCU and Kansas on the road, both winnable.. They go to Morgantown. That will be interesting. But, they are 7-4 after winning at Tech. On our heels. They have a home and home against Texas.
I see those six losses of WV as a bit much.
I suspect that WV will lose in Norman, Stillwater, and, probably, Iowa State.
I think we win at Tech,TCU, and OSU (?).
Since WV is 4-6, and we are 8-3, they need for us to take some falls. If we finish only 3-4 (11-7), WV would need to go 7-1 to tie.
I think K-State is a more serious threat. They have home games against OU and Iowa State. I really think we win that one. But, they get TCU and Kansas on the road, both winnable.. They go to Morgantown. That will be interesting. But, they are 7-4 after winning at Tech. On our heels. They have a home and home against Texas.
I see those six losses of WV as a bit much.
All I am saying, it is not out of the realm of possibility that we can go 6-1 the rest of the way. Do I think we will, probably not, but it could happen. I think that and doing well in the tournament could get us one of the 16 spots. If not, just hope we don't get in the same regional with UCONN. The two games that bother me most is at Stillwater, and at Manhattan. We have to play well obviously, if we do, you never can tell. Just being optimistic.
I have wondered, also, if 6-1 wasn't a possible finish. There are indications that this team is finding out what it can do. I, like Sherri, didn't see Baylor as so much of a setback as a temporary misdirection. We played well for a quarter. Then, we began to do the things that cause us problems, whether against Baylor or West Virginia---or Oral Roberts. Other than that last three quarters in which we did nothing to stop the bleeding, we have shown signs of becoming pretty good. I don't know if we will get to be as consistently good as a Baylor or UConn this year. But, we might get them on an off day and take that 20-15 run for four quarters.
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As much as I would like to believe in 6-1, I just find it difficult.
Over the last three or four years there has always been a few hiccups along the team's path. There have been some this year (Oral Roberts) and there have been quite a few tight, tough games that could have gone either way.
I like this team and I know it has the talent to be 6-1, but will it be? Do they have the will to overcome? I think the answer to that question hasn't been answered yet this season.
Stillwater is the test. It's also the key.
Over the last three or four years there has always been a few hiccups along the team's path. There have been some this year (Oral Roberts) and there have been quite a few tight, tough games that could have gone either way.
I like this team and I know it has the talent to be 6-1, but will it be? Do they have the will to overcome? I think the answer to that question hasn't been answered yet this season.
Stillwater is the test. It's also the key.
That is why I am optimistic. However you make a good point, during this part of the season for the past few years, we play a game that should be winnable and we go back to playing stupid basketball. I hope this team is finding its way, and can eliminate the stupid portion and play consistent basketball for long periods of time. I agree, Saturday will be the key.
The hope that I have is that the insistence on working through Maddie or off Maddie is effective. If Maddie shoots and keeps shooting, it seems to open up others. It also seems to give them confidence.
It is interesting that Gabbi's emergence this year seems to coincide with Maddie's. In oru first two losses (Kentucky and Oral Roberts), Gabbi only played 33 minutes. TT played 47. Remember that bleeding at the end in both games?
In our six losses, Maddie has taken 47 shots (7.86/game). In our 17 wins, she has taken 194 (11.41/game). She has six made threes in the six losses (one per game), with three coming against Texas. She has 31 in our other 17 games, 1.82. It makes a different if Maddie shoots.
In our six losses, Gioya is 16 of 53 from the field (30.19%). In the three Big Twelve losses, she is 3 of 20. Peyton is 32 of 94 in our losses. She does score. She just doesn't shoot well.
For some reason, when Maddie shoots, others begin to shoot more accurately. Maddie is beginning to show that she can score whenever she wishes. She is becoming deadly at the three if you pass out to her. An open three is three points. That opens up the offense.
It is also interesting how effective Gabbi and Maddie have become defensively. They get a lot of steals, tips, loose balls, etc. GIoya fed into this a bit during parts of the KU game. I like the way that Chelsea feeds into it more.
It is interesting that Gabbi's emergence this year seems to coincide with Maddie's. In oru first two losses (Kentucky and Oral Roberts), Gabbi only played 33 minutes. TT played 47. Remember that bleeding at the end in both games?
In our six losses, Maddie has taken 47 shots (7.86/game). In our 17 wins, she has taken 194 (11.41/game). She has six made threes in the six losses (one per game), with three coming against Texas. She has 31 in our other 17 games, 1.82. It makes a different if Maddie shoots.
In our six losses, Gioya is 16 of 53 from the field (30.19%). In the three Big Twelve losses, she is 3 of 20. Peyton is 32 of 94 in our losses. She does score. She just doesn't shoot well.
For some reason, when Maddie shoots, others begin to shoot more accurately. Maddie is beginning to show that she can score whenever she wishes. She is becoming deadly at the three if you pass out to her. An open three is three points. That opens up the offense.
It is also interesting how effective Gabbi and Maddie have become defensively. They get a lot of steals, tips, loose balls, etc. GIoya fed into this a bit during parts of the KU game. I like the way that Chelsea feeds into it more.
I am optimistic too. This team is better overall than the last few years and is really playing it's best ball now (Hypocrite U excluded). Gabbi looks like the Gabbi when she was a freshman (she didn't at the beginning of the year) and Maddie is probably playing her best and most consistent since her injuries. Peyton is probably playing her best right now as well. Vivi is playing well and I really like Chelsea (although in bit of a scoring slump) and Nancy. Gioya has her moments as well.
The road games will be key...O and K State. I think we're better than both but we've lost these games before. Beating whorns in Norman will be tough. I watched them last night in Stoolwater and although they may not play well, they keep winning, even when they have off nights and don't get rattled. These 3 games will tell the tale of this season IMO. We can win all 3 or we can lose all 3, or some combination.
Based on her interview with Toby Rowlands a week ago, I get the impression that Sherri and Toby think this team is on the precipice of something better. Some things seem to be coming together, if not all at once. I rather liked the way that Sherri put it about Gabbi last night. Instead of simply changing everything at once to improve, she set about improving one thing at a time. Others could do the same.
If we are on the precipice, what is it the precipice of? We are a reasonably consistent Sweet Sixteen performer, been there nine times. Are we on the cusp of being an Elite Eight or Final Four team? Don't forget that a team we beat on their home floor last year went to the Final Four, and they are making waves this year as well. But, we beat them the past two years. If Washington made the Final Four, why not us?
I thought it was interesting that we played Nancy a bit more last night after not playing her as much against Baylor. Other than that, we let everyone loose. There was no need for a leader to step up last night. The difference between a Sweet Sixteen and advancement is going to come from Maddie or Gabbi, most likely Maddie.
If everyone else is doing their job, it seems to me that one shooting guard that can score from anywhere can take over a game. We lost our two best shots to Angel and Wiggins. We had total interior domination, but couldn't overcome the Mississippi point guards. But, we had Louisville on the ropes until Angel took over.
If Maddie were to hit thirty, who could beat us? It would take an effort. If she and someone else hit 25 and 20, who would find that easy to beat? As against Kansas, Maddie can make scoring look effortless. That was a very quiet 19, effortless. Could have scored thirty.
Something has to carry us past the precipice. But, we are on the edge.
If we are on the precipice, what is it the precipice of? We are a reasonably consistent Sweet Sixteen performer, been there nine times. Are we on the cusp of being an Elite Eight or Final Four team? Don't forget that a team we beat on their home floor last year went to the Final Four, and they are making waves this year as well. But, we beat them the past two years. If Washington made the Final Four, why not us?
I thought it was interesting that we played Nancy a bit more last night after not playing her as much against Baylor. Other than that, we let everyone loose. There was no need for a leader to step up last night. The difference between a Sweet Sixteen and advancement is going to come from Maddie or Gabbi, most likely Maddie.
If everyone else is doing their job, it seems to me that one shooting guard that can score from anywhere can take over a game. We lost our two best shots to Angel and Wiggins. We had total interior domination, but couldn't overcome the Mississippi point guards. But, we had Louisville on the ropes until Angel took over.
If Maddie were to hit thirty, who could beat us? It would take an effort. If she and someone else hit 25 and 20, who would find that easy to beat? As against Kansas, Maddie can make scoring look effortless. That was a very quiet 19, effortless. Could have scored thirty.
Something has to carry us past the precipice. But, we are on the edge.
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That's because our name is Oklahoma...
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I haven't been able to watch many OU women's games this year (FSN not carried by my cable company), so I am at a loss as to the apparent lack of improvement of Nancy Mulkey. Is her problem(s) due to lack of conditioning? lack of aggression? lets herself get pushed around by the more physical posts in the league?
Feel free to add reasons. I know that many thought of her as a "project" but 6-9 still should count for more than 2 or 3 blocked shots per game and an occasional good game against someone like cellar-dweller KU.
I know she's just a freshman, but I guess that I was hoping for more from her by this time of the year.
Feel free to add reasons. I know that many thought of her as a "project" but 6-9 still should count for more than 2 or 3 blocked shots per game and an occasional good game against someone like cellar-dweller KU.
I know she's just a freshman, but I guess that I was hoping for more from her by this time of the year.
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I think if you are looking at stats, you have to also take into consideration minutes played.
From early on, it seemed obvious to me that she didn't have good coaching in high school. I think she was told to stand under the basket and block shots and/or put back rebounds. That works in high school but not in college. She has a lot to learn and she is competing with a good, experienced D1 player for playing time.
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I did look at the minutes played. Against a few teams, (mostly not too good) she has gotten 15-20 min per game, but for the most part, her minutes have been minimum. Reason that I asked if it was a conditioning issue.
A part of it is that Nancy has to learn how to slow down a bit in college. She began well because she took it slowly, relaxed. Then, she began to realize she was in college and sped things up. This led to misses and turnovers that she wasn't missing earlier.
A part of it is that the team isn't sure of how to play with Nancy---at all. They have yet to learn how to feed Nancy, and every attempt leads to a turnover. They don't know how to make themselves available to her. She spreads the floor with her presence, and only Gabbi and Maddie have learned to work with her. Her best efforts have almost been like she and Maddie had learned to work together in a two-man game. Then, it stopped, started, and stopped. We haven't really learned how to accept the havoc that she creates.
A part of it is that the team isn't sure of how to play with Nancy---at all. They have yet to learn how to feed Nancy, and every attempt leads to a turnover. They don't know how to make themselves available to her. She spreads the floor with her presence, and only Gabbi and Maddie have learned to work with her. Her best efforts have almost been like she and Maddie had learned to work together in a two-man game. Then, it stopped, started, and stopped. We haven't really learned how to accept the havoc that she creates.
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I remember one game where she asked to come out by pulling on her jersey. But I really haven't noticed it but the one time.
