Kansas Jayhawks?

[BigTime]

Really? I'd like you tell me one statement I've made that was reasonable.
Boy, the ego's are getting larger. :ez-roll:


Who's trying to impose the reason? An OU fan started a thread about KU on an OU board. We're just commenting in it.....and again, not saying anything that isn't reasonable.

I was going along fine until the 3 inch comment by grace.

Cheno,

You also are a very knowledgeable basketball guy.

I have a pretty good reason to not like Kansas, dontcha think?

 

[BigTime]

Really? I'd like you tell me one statement I've made that was reasonable.
Boy, the ego's are getting larger. :ez-roll:


Who's trying to impose the reason? An OU fan started a thread about KU on an OU board. We're just commenting in it.....and again, not saying anything that isn't reasonable.
Unless you think OU will win by double digits and Griffin and Aldrich will get around their averages as unreasonable.
The funny thing is you started a thread about the arrogance of KU fans. LOL

Did you read the comments that brought about my post? That post was like two months ago, dude. :ez-laugh:

I bet if we polled the entire Big 12 and asked who had the most arrogant basketball fans that KU would win in a landslide. Now I know that winning brings about some of the that, but you guys take it to an unreal level over on the phog.

 

[gracefor24]

I was going along fine until the 3 inch comment by grace.

Cheno,

You also are a very knowledgeable basketball guy.

I have a pretty good reason to not like Kansas, dontcha think?

LOL, do you have size issues, BT? :ez-roll:

Just kind of funny that you took such offense to me saying that Aldrich was taller than Griffin.

It cracks me up that you think I'm incredibly bias about KU basketball and have nothing to back it up with. I am actually incredibly unbiased about KU basketball considering they are my favorite team. If you want biased then go to Phog and see what it really is.

I don't think saying Aldrich is taller that Blake is biased, or saying that Aldrich can give Blake problems with his length, or saying that OU will beat KU, or saying that if KU can hold Blake to 20 and 10 that would be a good defensive game, etc.

Again, if you have some examples of my extreme bias I'd love to see them. If not it seems that you are just suffering from some type of little man's (program) syndrome. I can understand that, and you probably can too being an OU football fan.

 

[Cheno]

I was going along fine until the 3 inch comment by grace.

So all this over an inch? I have a feeling you've been fighting for that extra inch all your life and it really hit hard at home. :ez-laugh:

I bet if we polled the entire Big 12 and asked who had the most arrogant basketball fans that KU would win in a landslide. Now I know that winning brings about some of the that, but you guys take it to an unreal level over on the phog.

Are we at the phog? In one post you say you aren't posting at the phog and the next you are generalizing Grace & I with the phog. Which way you want it? Grace and I don't act that way here. How about I generalize you with some of the idiots on the Owen Field board who think OU Football's poop doesn't stink. Is that cool to lump you in with them? You don't see Grace and I doing that do you?
Sure, KU would win in a landslide in that vote. KU has had by far the most success. Success breeds that in some people. We're starting to see that in a few here.

Again, outside of the extra inch Grace gave Aldrich what crazy and arrogant comments have we made in this thread? If anything the over the top comments have been made by Dirty Mess. Some of them have been over the top and arrogant.

 

[BigTime]

LOL, do you have size issues, BT? :ez-roll:

Just kind of funny that you took such offense to me saying that Aldrich was taller than Griffin.

It cracks me up that you think I'm incredibly bias about KU basketball and have nothing to back it up with. I am actually incredibly unbiased about KU basketball considering they are my favorite team. If you want biased then go to Phog and see what it really is.

I don't think saying Aldrich is taller that Blake is biased, or saying that Aldrich can give Blake problems with his length, or saying that OU will beat KU, or saying that if KU can hold Blake to 20 and 10 that would be a good defensive game, etc.

Again, if you have some examples of my extreme bias I'd love to see them. If not it seems that you are just suffering from some type of little man's (program) syndrome. I can understand that, and you probably can too being an OU football fan.

:ez-laugh: I guess I set myself up with that 3 extra inches comment!

I don't save all the stuff you type, grace, or I would be happy to provide you with some examples. I will say the ones that I remember: The Thomas Robinson argument comes to mind. You couldn't handle the fact that Drew might be a better overall player. I am not saying that he is, just the fact that you were going bonkers over it. So too, with the fact that OU might just run a cleaner program than KU. I gave my logic, told what my source said, and then you got really defensive about it. I tried to explain to you that OU has the strictest compliance staff in the Big 12 due to Bomar and Kelvin (it is crazy how much extra stuff they have put in place), and that I have heard from a GOOD SOURCE (which I obviously cannot reveal) that Arthur and his agent required a fee for a visit (Baylor and Kansas obligued). Lastly, I remember how up in arms you got about me saying that John Wall is the best player in the country (because you wanted Xavier to be since you are a Jayhawk fan). I gave my reasons (yes I have seen Xavier play. 4 times. ) and you got really irrational about it.

I think you run laps in your basketball knowledge over me (part of that is experience), grace. You know the sport, and I like your reading your insight....as long as it doesn't pertain to Kansas! haha

I realize that it is hard to be unbiased when your team is involved.

 

[gracefor24]

:ez-laugh: I guess I set myself up with that 3 extra inches comment!

I don't save all the stuff you type, grace, or I would be happy to provide you with some examples. I will say the ones that I remember: The Thomas Robinson argument comes to mind. You couldn't handle the fact that Drew might be a better overall player. I am not saying that he is, just the fact that you were going bonkers over it. So too, with the fact that OU might just run a cleaner program than KU. I gave my logic, told what my source said, and then you got really defensive about it. I tried to explain to you that OU has the strictest compliance staff in the Big 12 due to Bomar and Kelvin (it is crazy how much extra stuff they have put in place), and that I have heard from a GOOD SOURCE (which I obviously cannot reveal) that Arthur and his agent required a fee for a visit (Baylor and Kansas obligued). Lastly, I remember how up in arms you got about me saying that John Wall is the best player in the country (because you wanted Xavier to be since you are a Jayhawk fan). I gave my reasons (yes I have seen Xavier play. 4 times. ) and you got really irrational about it.

I think you run laps in your basketball knowledge over me (part of that is experience), grace. You know the sport, and I like your reading your insight....as long as it doesn't pertain to Kansas! haha

I realize that it is hard to be unbiased when your team is involved.

Well, I can see your points though I think you are going overboard in your assessments. Just because I argue strongly against you doesn't mean that I am biased and you aren't.

Case 1: People argued that Fitz was a better player than Robinson based on a limited amount of boxscores and none having actually seen him play. I just based my comments off of what professionals said after seeing both play and it is a consensus that Robinson is the better prospect and is rated as such. If that makes me bias then it makes a lot of other people bias who get paid to evaluate. The reason I argued so strongly was that so many people just had no clue what they were talking about and it was totally biased on their part to consider Fitz better over and against the opinions of informed individuals.

Case 2:
I just think it's silly to think that OU has protocols in place that no one else does. I can guarantee you that KU has every compliance principle in place that OU does. Now, you could make a case that OU is a cleaner program than KU but you don't really know and I don't really know. We both hear rumors but they are just that. I just took offense because OU fans used to say the same about Kelvin and look how that ended. I just think it's better to take a little more humble approach to these types of topics because self-righteousness almost always get you in trouble.

Case 3: Again, I argued against Wall as the best player in the country based on what others had said. You said he was despite having no full knowledge of the other prospects (in terms of evaluation and in person viewing). My argument was more that you can't really know and that Wall had some limitations to his game. Now, I think my point has been proven in that in the RSCI only 1 out of 6 guys have Wall at #1, add in the dreaded Eric Bossi and you have 1 out of 7.

So, when you look at those things who is judging the situation irrationally? I think it is partly your vantage point that when someone disagrees with you it is construed as them being irrational if they don't validate your point.

What's funny is in all 3 cases I conceded that Fitzgerald was a terrific player and better offensively than Robinson right now, that OU ran a clean program and you could be right about KU (though it's still something you can't know unless you have proof), and that Wall was in the conversation for the #1 player but based on evaluations wasn't there yet and definitely wasn't anywhere near the consensus.

 

[BigTime]

Well, I can see your points though I think you are going overboard in your assessments. Just because I argue strongly against you doesn't mean that I am biased and you aren't.

Case 1: People argued that Fitz was a better player than Robinson based on a limited amount of boxscores and none having actually seen him play. I just based my comments off of what professionals said after seeing both play and it is a consensus that Robinson is the better prospect and is rated as such. If that makes me bias then it makes a lot of other people bias who get paid to evaluate. The reason I argued so strongly was that so many people just had no clue what they were talking about and it was totally biased on their part to consider Fitz better over and against the opinions of informed individuals.

Case 2:
I just think it's silly to think that OU has protocols in place that no one else does. I can guarantee you that KU has every compliance principle in place that OU does. Now, you could make a case that OU is a cleaner program than KU but you don't really know and I don't really know. We both hear rumors but they are just that. I just took offense because OU fans used to say the same about Kelvin and look how that ended. I just think it's better to take a little more humble approach to these types of topics because self-righteousness almost always get you in trouble.

Case 3: Again, I argued against Wall as the best player in the country based on what others had said. You said he was despite having no full knowledge of the other prospects (in terms of evaluation and in person viewing). My argument was more that you can't really know and that Wall had some limitations to his game. Now, I think my point has been proven in that in the RSCI only 1 out of 6 guys have Wall at #1, add in the dreaded Eric Bossi and you have 1 out of 7.

So, when you look at those things who is judging the situation irrationally? I think it is partly your vantage point that when someone disagrees with you it is construed as them being irrational if they don't validate your point.

What's funny is in all 3 cases I conceded that Fitzgerald was a terrific player and better offensively than Robinson right now, that OU ran a clean program and you could be right about KU (though it's still something you can't know unless you have proof), and that Wall was in the conversation for the #1 player but based on evaluations wasn't there yet and definitely wasn't anywhere near the consensus.

Some good points made for sure. I wasn't go to bring those things up again, but you asked.

I like you guys just fine. I just can't stand the rest of your fanbase or your team. Sorry. It really burns me reading what they say about OU on the Phog. Read the arrogance thread if you need a refresher. OU is the all time number two program in the Big 12 conference. I wish that KU fans were a bit more respectful. Hopefully Capel can beat them a couple of years in a row, and force them to realize that have a good program.

I will say I was proud of the day that I got on there and you were defending OU! :dance005:

 

[Cheno]

Not Grace but:

The Thomas Robinson argument comes to mind. You couldn't handle the fact that Drew might be a better overall player. I am not saying that he is, just the fact that you were going bonkers over it.

Robinson is a higher rated prospect by every site I've seen. Who knows who will be better in college. None of us do. But it's more biased saying the lower rated prospect is better.

So too, with the fact that OU might just run a cleaner program than KU.

But that's stupid to even bring up. Who really knows? But with all that's went down in the last 5 years at OU it's hard to say OU runs a cleaner program.
To me both Coach Capel and Coach Self run programs the right way. They always have. Isn't that enough? I mean really what is a "cleaner program" when both are doing it the right way.

Lastly, I remember how up in arms you got about me saying that John Wall is the best player in the country (because you wanted Xavier to be since you are a Jayhawk fan). I gave my reasons (yes I have seen Xavier play. 4 times. ) and you got really irrational about it.

He wasn't irrational. He was stating his case. And KU is on John Wall's final list and has been. I personally feel X is the best in the class as well. He's got the complete package.

I realize that it is hard to be unbiased when your team is involved.

Absolutely correct! But it seems you try and paint the picture an awfully lot that somehow Grace and I are any different than you or the majority of the OU posters here.
I mean really how many years did I receive crap and hate PM's about my thoughts on Sampson and his abilities as a coach? A long time. And, for the most part, I was spot on. Why....because I'm some genius? No, because I was looking at the situation from a realistic standpoint in which many of the people who posted weren't. They were BIASED towards OU. I mean we had prominent posters that thought he was one of the best coaches in the country. One regular even thought he was the best and stated it as often as he could.
So you can keep playing this "arrogant, biased Jayhawk fan" card all you want but Jayhawk fans ain't any different than Sooner fans than any different than Notre Dame fans.

 

[gracefor24]

Some good points made for sure. I wasn't go to bring those things up again, but you asked.

I like you guys just fine. I just can't stand the rest of your fanbase or your team. Sorry. It really burns me reading what they say about OU on the Phog. Read the arrogance thread if you need a refresher. OU is the all time number two program in the Big 12 conference. I wish that KU fans were a bit more respectful. Hopefully Capel can beat them a couple of years in a row, and force them to realize that have a good program.

I will say I was proud of the day that I got on there and you were defending OU! :dance005:

That's just the thing, you'll get no argument from me about arrogant KU fans. We definitely have our fair share, though I think you could say that about any ultra successful program, but either way it is really annoying.

Honestly, Capel beating KU won't help, Sampson beat KU quite a few times (as did Tubbs) and it didn't change anything, it may have made it worse since then they were threatened.

I get in trouble here because I'm not an all out OU fan (though they are my second favorite team in the Big 12 by far) so I see things pretty objectively when it comes to the team and recruits. But honestly I am the same way about KU on Phog (mostly premium since the Hoops board is a cess pool). I see the game much more from a coach/player perspective and don't get too high or low but definitely see the game from a much more critical perspective. I can see how that would be frustrating to people who just want to be fans.

 

[Cheno]

I just took offense because OU fans used to say the same about Kelvin and look how that ended. I just think it's better to take a little more humble approach to these types of topics because self-righteousness almost always get you in trouble.

100% correct. If I had a dollar every time I use to read about how Kelvin ran such a clean program, how he "outworked" other coaches (should have been outcheated) and how great a representative of the University he was as opposed to other coaches...that's the key....people use to say it like KU's coach or other schools coaches weren't. Turns out it was absolute hogwash. But it was a BIAS. Could just as easy happen to KU fans down the road or Texas fans or whoever. But it just shows the BIAS that many fans in every fanbase has towards their program.

I like you guys just fine. I just can't stand the rest of your fanbase or your team. Sorry. It really burns me reading what they say about OU on the Phog.

But it's not the rest of our fanbase. Many KU fans, in fact the majority, are just like Grace and I. Just like the majority of OU fans are great fans for OU like you are. The fact is you go to any rivals message board and read what they are saying about your program and you aren't going to like it. What do you think a KU fan that came over here for the first time and read this thread from the opening post would think about OU fans? It's every fanbase. KU fans are no different.

 

[BigTime]

I am still pissed over '88. I won't get over it until we win one, and with Capel, I like our chances.

 

[BigTime]

100% correct. If I had a dollar every time I use to read about how Kelvin ran such a clean program, how he "outworked" other coaches (should have been outcheated) and how great a representative of the University he was as opposed to other coaches...that's the key....people use to say it like KU's coach or other schools coaches weren't. Turns out it was absolute hogwash. But it was a BIAS. Could just as easy happen to KU fans down the road or Texas fans or whoever. But it just shows the BIAS that many fans in every fanbase has towards their program.

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I can't speak for Kelvin, but I can speak for Coach Capel. I never did try to speak for Kelvin. I was deflated as anyone when he got busted for cheating. Coach Capel runs things the right way. If he didn't, I wouldn't bust my hump to try and help the program. You see, I am more than just a fan, I volunteer a lot of time and effort for this program, because 1. I really like Coach Capel. 2. The #12 program of the modern era deserves better fan support.

If I ever found out Capel was cheating, then I would walk away from the Capelables and message boards. I would just watch the games.

 

[Cheno]

Coach Capel runs things the right way. If he didn't, I wouldn't bust my hump to try and help the program. You see, I am more than just a fan, I volunteer a lot of time and effort for this program, because 1. I really like Coach Capel. 2. The #12 program of the modern era deserves better fan support.

I couldn't agree more. Coach Capel is UNBELIEVABLE!
OU needs more die-hard fans like you. What you are doing at OU is awesome.
What I take offense though to is that somehow KU fans are different than most very successful fanbases. KU has a bunch of fanatics like yourself that dedicate a lot of time to the program. The passion can be seen as arrogance.
I hope the work you've done and continue doing leads OU to have that same problem...or shall I say luxury. Keep up the great work you do but just remember KU has a fanbase that almost every D1 coach longs for. People can say about anything to me negative about KU and it really doesn't get my blood boiling...I can take a good ribbing...except when it's about the fanbase because I know how much love, passion and fire our fans have. Sure KU has more idiots because they have more fans but % wise it's not any different than any other fanbase.
Talk to you later BigTime!

 

[gracefor24]

I can't speak for Kelvin, but I can speak for Coach Capel. I never did try to speak for Kelvin. I was deflated as anyone when he got busted for cheating. Coach Capel runs things the right way. If he didn't, I wouldn't bust my hump to try and help the program. You see, I am more than just a fan, I volunteer a lot of time and effort for this program, because 1. I really like Coach Capel. 2. The #12 program of the modern era deserves better fan support.

If I ever found out Capel was cheating, then I would walk away from the Capelables and message boards. I would just watch the games.

That's just the thing, though, BT, we all assume that our coach is doing things the right way. The only way you will find out is if you have first hand knowledge or the NCAA slaps them with something.

I am not trying to say that Capel is dirty at all, I don't believe that he is. I'm just saying it's easy for people to make things up about other programs, especially rivals. We hear all kinds of rumors about other schools but who knows what is true and what isn't.

I remember I got lambasted on the old OUinsider board because there was a GOOD SOURCE that an OU student was driving to games in Dallas and putting recruits on the phone with Sampson. This person was later taken to Indiana with Sampson as a GA. People just couldn't believe that Sampson would bend the rules like that. It doesn't seem so far fetched now that things are in the open about Sampson.

 

[BigTime]

That's just the thing, though, BT, we all assume that our coach is doing things the right way. The only way you will find out is if you have first hand knowledge or the NCAA slaps them with something.

I am not trying to say that Capel is dirty at all, I don't believe that he is. I'm just saying it's easy for people to make things up about other programs, especially rivals. We hear all kinds of rumors about other schools but who knows what is true and what isn't.

I remember I got lambasted on the old OUinsider board because there was a GOOD SOURCE that an OU student was driving to games in Dallas and putting recruits on the phone with Sampson. This person was later taken to Indiana with Sampson as a GA. People just couldn't believe that Sampson would bend the rules like that. It doesn't seem so far fetched now that things are in the open about Sampson.

The source that told me about the Arthur thing would definitely know what was going on, but yeah, I agree that it is easy to make stuff up.

I am pretty sure I would know if anything bad every went with this basketball program. I wouldn't (and didn't) have a clue with the last regime.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Onuaku abusing another stiff.

 

[gracefor24]

Onuaku abusing another stiff.

Dude, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber. Onuaku is obviously a good player. He has had good games against Aldrich and now Harongody.

But to call Harongody a stiff just makes you look like an idiot. Harongody had 25 points/16 rebounds/6 assists, and Aldrich had 15 points/16 rebounds/3 blocks.

Just because a player plays well against you doesn't mean you suck.

I guess Blake Griffin sucks since Michael Washington abused him to the tune of 24 points and 12 boards, or the guy from Purdue had 20 and 9 on him?

 

[Seymore Cox]

I mean just because Harongody is a good player doesn't mean he can't be a stiff. Aldrich is good, but we all know he's a stiff. As for Blake letting those guys get those numbers, we all agreed Blake's a poor defender. CA will probably go for thirty against him, right? By the way Stat Boy you do know Harongody went 9-28. What a great game I thought KU fans were suppose to be smart, but you defy the stereotype.

Is KU going to pull this off against Colo?

 

[gracefor24]

I mean just because Harongody is a good player doesn't mean he can't be a stiff. Aldrich is good, but we all know he's a stiff. As for Blake letting those guys get those numbers, we all agreed Blake's a poor defender. CA will probably go for thirty against him, right? By the way Stat Boy you do know Harongody went 9-28. What a great game I thought KU fans were suppose to be smart, but you defy the stereotype.

Is KU going to pull this off against Colo?

I'm just using the measure of success that you set up, genius!

Actually, Harongody and Aldrich CAN'T be stiffs AND good players. That is called an oxymoron, the last part of which I'm sure you're familiar with! :ez-roll:

 

[Seymore Cox]

I'm just using the measure of success that you set up, genius!

Actually, Harongody and Aldrich CAN'T be stiffs AND good players. That is called an oxymoron, the last part of which I'm sure you're familiar with! :ez-roll:

you're a nerd. I can't wait till we beat KU this year so you can go in hiding again. Did you see Blake miss that dunk today? He's not going to miss it when Cale gets that teabag.