I don't agree with that. They will have some decent vets around too. I really liked that Thorpe kid. Ellis might break out. Black will be solid. Wiggins a stud. If Self needed those freshman to all be studs, or starters, they might struggle. But he'll be able to give them roles, and bring them along slowly. That should help. OSU's first 3-4 players might be slightly preferable to KU's, but I'd probably take KU's top 8-10 players by the time Big 12 play rolled around over OSU's. I just don't like the makeup of OSU's team. I think with KU's talent, and the coaching edge, I think they have to be the favorite.