Ku and major violations

[sdcloud9]

I want KU to get hammered big time but honestly, I'll be shocked if they are.

I thought UNC was going to get hammered and they wormed their way out of any sanctions.

Put me in the I'll believe it when I see it group and I do hope I have to come back and eat my words.

 

[WichitaSooner]

For those who believe that the NCAA never does anything to blue bloods/big name schools, check out this tweet from Mark Titus, who is one of the funniest (and smartest) college basketball writers around. The Tark reference is great -- point being, while Tark's comment was funny as heck and arguably relevant at the time, now it is just overused and inaccurate.

"NCAA took title and Final Four away from Louisville. UCLA, Michigan, Villanova, and Ohio St. have all vacated Final 4s. UK lost a Sweet 16. KU was banned from tourney the year after they won it. UConn was banned year before they won it. But Tark said that thing that one time lol"

 

[AdaSooner]

I have already gone on record in saying Bill Self will not be able to lie his way out of trouble this time.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me the NCAA (judging by the news reports) is moving to make Self their main focus. This is a little different than UNC where the school not the coach appeared to be the primary target.

If I’m right that Bill Self will be the one to take the heat, that could be the NCAA’s way of softening the blow on KU. After all, the school is the NCAA’s “cash cow” not the coach. I’m not saying KU will not be sanctioned, just that it might not be a severe blow if Bill plays the role of the “hero” and accepts the blame. He rides off into the sunset to the NBA, KU is sanctioned for one or two violations and all is well in “Rock Chalk Land.”

A product of my vivid imagination? Perhaps. But I don’t think Self or KU is going to be able to skate through this unscathed this time!

 

[sdcloud9]

I have already gone on record in saying Bill Self will not be able to lie his way out of trouble this time.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me the NCAA (judging by the news reports) is moving to make Self their main focus. This is a little different than UNC where the school not the coach appeared to be the primary target.

If I’m right that Bill Self will be the one to take the heat, that could be the NCAA’s way of softening the blow on KU. After all, the school is the NCAA’s “cash cow” not the coach. I’m not saying KU will not be sanctioned, just that it might not be a severe blow if Bill plays the role of the “hero” and accepts the blame. He rides off into the sunset to the NBA, KU is sanctioned for one or two violations and all is well in “Rock Chalk Land.”

A product of my vivid imagination? Perhaps. But I don’t think Self or KU is going to be able to skate through this unscathed this time!

I hope so badly you are right!!!

 

[Eielson]

And your insistence that a) Gallon was "bought" and b) that people are jumping to "Taliaferro's aid" is just as much a strawman. The transaction was reported in the media (national and local) as a loan (and also, if my memory serves, that it was paid back). All anyone's said here is that that is different from outright buying players. Even 10 years ago, $3K would have hardly have been enough to "buy" a McDonald's AA.

A strawman argument is when someone refutes claims the other side never made. That's not the term you're looking for -- several on here have defended Taliaferro's actions and stated that Gallon wasn't bought. You may disagree with my stance, but I'm not refuting points that weren't made.

 

[skyvue]

several on here have defended Taliaferro's actions and stated that Gallon wasn't bought. You may disagree with my stance, but I'm not refuting points that weren't made.

Yes, you are. No one defended Taliaferro -- they said we deserved to get punished and that what he did was wrong, but they also said that what he did was not "buying players" in the sense that term is typically used (and as it applies to the current KU case).

I was one of those posters, and I stand by what I said. Your bringing up Taliaferro in that context seemed to be a "What about..." response that equated his actions to what KU is accused of. You did clarify your stance in later posts, but it's your initial reaction that I think many were reacting and responding to, and as long as you continue to insist we "bought" a McDonald's AA (at the bargain price of $3K, no less), you're likely to keep getting pushback.

 

[Eielson]

Yes, you are. No one defended Taliaferro -- they said we deserved to get punished and that what he did was wrong, but they also said that what he did was not "buying players" in the sense that term is typically used

I said Taliaferro was buying players. You, and a few others, said that he was not buying players. Do I need to define "defend" for you as well?

as long as you continue to insist we "bought" a McDonald's AA (at the bargain price of $3K, no less), you're likely to keep getting pushback.

If I bought a vacuum on clearance, did I still buy it?

 

[CoachTalk]

I said Taliaferro was buying players. You, and a few others, said that he was not buying players. Do I need to define "defend" for you as well?



If I bought a vacuum on clearance, did I still buy it?

This is funny but you’re wrong here. Anyone with knowledge of the situation knows he wasn’t bought.

He would’ve made it to campus either way. $3k isn’t buying a burger boy. Did O pay the loan off? Yes. If you consider that buying... go ahead.

 

[skyvue]

Do I need to define "defend" for you as well?

No, but you might want to work on your reading comprehension. No one defended what Taliaferro did or claimed that he hadn't done anything wrong or, for that matter, opined that OU shouldn't have been punished. They just said he didn't "buy" Gallon. And he didn't.

If one states that a guy who's guilty of assault and battery didn't commit murder because the victim didn't die, they're not defending the perp -- they're just correcting the guy who got it wrong in stating someone was murdered.

 

[slappy in OP]

Not sure if everyone saw this, but KU put out a video with Bill Self prominently wearing an Adidas logo shirt and big gold chains. One of the chains has a $ on it. I doubt that was an accident. Hopefully they flaunt themselves right into a major issue.

 

[Eielson]

No, but you might want to work on your reading comprehension. No one defended what Taliaferro did or claimed that he hadn't done anything wrong or, for that matter, opined that OU shouldn't have been punished. They just said he didn't "buy" Gallon. And he didn't.

If one states that a guy who's guilty of assault and battery didn't commit murder because the victim didn't die, they're not defending the perp -- they're just correcting the guy who got it wrong in stating someone was murdered.

Defending someone does not imply innocence or guilt, nor does it imply success or failure. This is a basic definition I learned in elementary school, but to be fair to you, I did go to an above average elementary school. Feel free to google the definition of defense.

 

[Eielson]

This is funny but you’re wrong here. Anyone with knowledge of the situation knows he wasn’t bought.

He would’ve made it to campus either way. $3k isn’t buying a burger boy. Did O pay the loan off? Yes. If you consider that buying... go ahead.

I'm not going to pretend to know every detail, but I have it on good authority that Taliaferro was dirty. Ask your buddies about how Patrick Beverley ended up at Arkansas.

 

[skyvue]

Defending someone does not imply innocence or guilt, nor does it imply success or failure. This is a basic definition I learned in elementary school, but to be fair to you, I did go to an above average elementary school. Feel free to google the definition of defense.

I'll reiterate: No one was defending Taliferro -- they were correcting your mischaracterization of his misdeeds. Those are two distinct actions.

That said, if you wish to delve even further back into your illustrious academic career and brag about the words you learned in nursery school, have at it.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'm not going to pretend to know every detail, but I have it on good authority that Taliaferro was dirty. Ask your buddies about how Patrick Beverley ended up at Arkansas.

I’m not defending OT.

 

[Eielson]

I'll reiterate: No one was defending Taliferro -- they were correcting your mischaracterization of his misdeeds. Those are two distinct actions.

That said, if you wish to delve even further back into your illustrious academic career and brag about the words you learned in nursery school, have at it.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/

 

[BCSooners]

Gallon was helped financially to go to OU. Not as bad as giving him thousands of dollars to keep or mom a house but still a bad case of cheating.

I hope KU gets hit hard, Self has a good chance if resigning imo.

 

[CoachTalk]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/

What a hill to die on... dude let it go.

 

[Max Power]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/

Ok here the analogy people are making.

Coach O punched a guy in the face

Bill self killed a guy.

Both crimes, both bad, one is way worse than the other. That’s all anyone is saying.

 

[CoachTalk]

Ok here the analogy people are making.

Coach O punched a guy in the face

Bill self killed a guy.

Both crimes, both bad, one is way worse than the other. That’s all anyone is saying.

+1

 

[BCSooners]

Ok here the analogy people are making.

Coach O punched a guy in the face

Bill self killed a guy.

Both crimes, both bad, one is way worse than the other. That’s all anyone is saying.

Haha nice