Lon's Recruiting Classes

[sperry]

Class 1: Buddy, Isaiah, Hornbeak, Spangler
Class 2: Woodard, Booker
Class 3: Lattin, McNease, Buford, Dijynil Walker
Class 4: James, Odomes
Class 5: Freeman, McGusty, Doolittle, Shepard, Strong-Moore
Class 6: Trae, Manek, Polla, Lazenby
Class 7: Bienemy, Kuath


That's not remotely acceptable. His first class blinded us, and made it look like he had a system and could identify 3 star type players and develop them into excellent 4 year guys. That's clearly not the case. The dude is just not a good recruiter.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Class 1: Buddy, Isaiah, Hornbeak, Spangler
Class 2: Woodard, Booker
Class 3: Lattin, McNease, Buford, Dijynil Walker
Class 4: James, Odomes
Class 5: Freeman, McGusty, Doolittle, Shepard, Strong-Moore
Class 6: Trae, Manek, Polla, Lazenby
Class 7: Bienemy, Kuath


That's not remotely acceptable. His first class blinded us, and made it look like he had a system and could identify 3 star type players and develop them into excellent 4 year guys. That's clearly not the case. The dude is just not a good recruiter.

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class 1 a 4 star a high 3 star and a 2 star that turned in Cousins along with spangler

class 2 a 3 star 4 year starter and and another solid guard

class 3 2 4 stars and j muny

classs 4 2 4 stars and a elite juco center

class 5 3 4 stars

class 6 a 5 star and 2 4 stars

class 7 1 4 star and still going

 

[WTSooner]

Yeah, I agree with Boulder. ON PAPER the recruiting is just fine. Either LK and staff are landing every overrated recruit in America, or they just aren't very good at player development.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Yeah, I agree with Boulder. ON PAPER the recruiting is just fine. Either LK and staff are landing every overrated recruit in America, or they just aren't very good at player development.

isaiah cousins and buddy were developed pretty damn well starting to think the loss of henson was big

 

[152219]

isaiah cousins and buddy were developed pretty damn well starting to think the loss of henson was big

How much of that was Henson and how much of that was Hield/Cousins being gym rats and getting in their own work? Probably a combination, but I lean toward the biggest factor being Hield/Cousins doing their own work on the side.

 

[AdaSooner]

isaiah cousins and buddy were developed pretty damn well starting to think the loss of henson was big

Spot on, Boulder! Buddy and Isaiah’s work ethic was legendary. But, our coaching staff back then with Henson and Hill were good at motivating and developing players. We haven’t seen much evidence of that since they left.

WTSooner touched on something I have been saying for several weeks. Player development is a weakness with this staff.

 

[sooner8693]

spot on, boulder! Buddy and isaiah’s work ethic was legendary. But, our coaching staff back then with henson and hill were good at motivating and developing players. We haven’t seen much evidence of that since they left.

Wtsooner touched on something i have been saying for several weeks. Player development is a weakness with this staff.

Henson is missed big time.

 

[sperry]

so
class 1 a 4 star a high 3 star and a 2 star that turned in Cousins along with spangler

class 2 a 3 star 4 year starter and and another solid guard

class 3 2 4 stars and j muny

classs 4 2 4 stars and a elite juco center

class 5 3 4 stars

class 6 a 5 star and 2 4 stars

class 7 1 4 star and still going

This is bogus. Here are recruiting rankings since Kruger arrived:

2012: 49th
2013: 81st
2014: 34th
2015: 51st
2016: 27th
2017: 33rd
2018: 108th


Recruiting rankings aren't the be all end all, but our performance is matching the story that those ratings are telling us. Those aren't being supplemented with impact transfers. The talent level isn't there to win at the level we are accustomed to.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Yeah, I agree with Boulder. ON PAPER the recruiting is just fine. Either LK and staff are landing every overrated recruit in America, or they just aren't very good at player development.

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[cowboysooner]

There are limitations on how much time a coaching staff can have with kids. Only a kid can decide to make himself a great player. Some, but few, do but most just go to practice and aren't really driven and/or don't have the discipline to do the things necessary to become great. This is why recruiting is so important. Kids that are great when you get them, are more likely to be kids that will do what is necessary to be great, because they have already done itI see talent on this team. We just need to play better.

 

[cjhsooner]

isaiah cousins and buddy were developed pretty damn well starting to think the loss of henson was big

But whose job is it to hire quality replacements? Because nothing I have seen makes me think his son or Hartman are good enough to coach here.

 

[BoulderSooner]

This is bogus. Here are recruiting rankings since Kruger arrived:

2012: 49th
2013: 81st
2014: 34th
2015: 51st
2016: 27th
2017: 33rd
2018: 108th


Recruiting rankings aren't the be all end all, but our performance is matching the story that those ratings are telling us. Those aren't being supplemented with impact transfers. The talent level isn't there to win at the level we are accustomed to.

nothing bogus about what i posted ..

 

[WTSooner]

isaiah cousins and buddy were developed pretty damn well starting to think the loss of henson was big

Not really. Both had ONE really good season, their senior year, that was mostly predicated on shooting a ridiculously good percentage from 3.

But even if you toss him/them those two, that is two out of how many?

 

[WTSooner]

Recruiting rankings aren't the be all end all, but our performance is matching the story that those ratings are telling us. Those aren't being supplemented with impact transfers. The talent level isn't there to win at the level we are accustomed to.

What were our recruiting rankings under Kelvin? Couldn't have been much better/different.

I get that we don't have the talent to be consistently competing with Duke, Nova, Kentucky, and even KU.....but you can't tell me we don't have the talent to be better than we are.

 

[hoopsaustin]

What were our recruiting rankings under Kelvin? Couldn't have been much better/different.

I get that we don't have the talent to be consistently competing with Duke, Nova, Kentucky, and even KU.....but you can't tell me we don't have the talent to be better than we are.

Kelvin could take 2 stars and have a winning record in conference. He was such an underrated coach

 

[WichitaSooner]

Not really. Both had ONE really good season, their senior year, that was mostly predicated on shooting a ridiculously good percentage from 3.

But even if you toss him/them those two, that is two out of how many?

Buddy was the player of the year in the best conference in the country as a junior. He shot 36% from three that season. So to suggest he only had one "really good season" and that it was all tied to making threes is not accurate. How anyone could look at the career arc of those two and say they didn't develop at an amazing rate is beyond me. If you don't want to credit Lon or the coaches, that's an entirely different argument, but to act as if they didn't get significantly better every year is crazy.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Buddy was the player of the year in the best conference in the country as a junior. He shot 36% from three that season. So to suggest he only had one "really good season" and that it was all tied to making threes is not accurate. How anyone could look at the career arc of those two and say they didn't develop at an amazing rate is beyond me. If you don't want to credit Lon or the coaches, that's an entirely different argument, but to act as if they didn't get significantly better every year is crazy.

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[BCSooners]

Cousins & Hield had very good sophomore & Junior years.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

This is bogus. Here are recruiting rankings since Kruger arrived:

2012: 49th
2013: 81st
2014: 34th
2015: 51st
2016: 27th
2017: 33rd
2018: 108th


Recruiting rankings aren't the be all end all, but our performance is matching the story that those ratings are telling us. Those aren't being supplemented with impact transfers. The talent level isn't there to win at the level we are accustomed to.

The coaches getting better recruits were almost all blatant cheaters - as is becoming well documented. That is the main issue with recruiting. The NCAA can fix it, but will not for some reason.

How to fix it? Easy. You are a player (or a family member) who takes a bribe of cash, you just lost 2 years eligibility - no excuses allowed - you are fundamentally dishonest - a cheater. A coach who allows it, you never coach at any level of the NCAA again - with no exceptions. The school? No post season play for 5 years. Your program is destroyed - maybe for 20 years.

The reason that works is it totally ends the cheating. Just would never be worth it. For player or coach. And certainly not for the school, the AD, and the University president.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Cousins & Hield had very good sophomore & Junior years.

Cousins was always a good player, but being in new surroundings and becoming a teammate with new players and finding his place took a bit of time before he was comfortable, and that was when we saw the skill he brought to Norman.