Manek

[AdaSooner]

No inner tube for you.

It’s not quite that bad...yet.

 

[WTSooner]

this is not a good take .... he is a winning player that should absolutly be starting and should be taking the most or second most shots on the team

That speaks more to the guard talent on the current team than it does Manek's talents.

If we're a better team the next few years, I'm guessing Manek's involvement with the offense goes down, as we have better guards.

IMO, he is a one trick pony. He is a dude that can shoot it pretty well when left open. He can't get himself open. He doesn't create for teammates. And I think he is a liability inside. Maybe, and I do mean maybe, if he was coupled with an above average 5 and good guard play, he'd be okay. But his involvement in the offense needs to go down for this team to improve. And maybe it will next year. Hopefully.

 

[Price is Right]

Some of the toughest things for a guy like Manek when transitioning to the college game is getting bigger/stronger and fnding a way to create your own shot. Last year he played with a phenomenal talent in Trae who drew multiple defenders and was a gifted passer so Manek never really had to get his own shot. He will get better. Anyone who doesn't think he should start for a good OU team is delusional imo. I think he will be all conference Sr year

 

[AdaSooner]

That speaks more to the guard talent on the current team than it does Manek's talents.

If we're a better team the next few years, I'm guessing Manek's involvement with the offense goes down, as we have better guards.

IMO, he is a one trick pony. He is a dude that can shoot it pretty well when left open. He can't get himself open. He doesn't create for teammates. And I think he is a liability inside. Maybe, and I do mean maybe, if he was coupled with an above average 5 and good guard play, he'd be okay. But his involvement in the offense needs to go down for this team to improve. And maybe it will next year. Hopefully.

I agree with most of this. Trae was good enough on his own to draw the attention away from Brady and get him open shots. I think we’ll see more of that next year when Harmon is running the offense.

I don’t agree that Brady is a one trick pony. McNeace, who has been limited mostly to a baby hook from inside eight feet is my definition of a one trick pony. Manek can shoot a face up jumper from fifteen and in, and drive with the ball when a lane opens up. He struggles with banging inside with bigger, physical players, but he has been better at that this season than he was last year.

If he adds a few pounds of muscle and hits the weight room in the off season, I think we’ll see a more well rounded player next season. If his role is reduced, it will be because his teammates next year are more productive. If guys like Reaves, Williams and Harmon are as good as advertised, that will help Manek get more open shots, much like he did with TY last season.

 

[BoulderSooner]

That speaks more to the guard talent on the current team than it does Manek's talents.

If we're a better team the next few years, I'm guessing Manek's involvement with the offense goes down, as we have better guards.

IMO, he is a one trick pony. He is a dude that can shoot it pretty well when left open. He can't get himself open. He doesn't create for teammates. And I think he is a liability inside. Maybe, and I do mean maybe, if he was coupled with an above average 5 and good guard play, he'd be okay. But his involvement in the offense needs to go down for this team to improve. And maybe it will next year. Hopefully.

i would bet that his scoring average goes up next year and then up again when he is a senior ..

 

[skyvue]

Manek was sick for a while and lost 10-12 pounds. You can see he's thinner now than when the season started.

He's been asked to play a role this season that I don't think was ever envisioned for him, and he's been a key player for us. We'd have been MUCH worse without him. It's amazing to me that he's coming in for criticism, but I suppose I should never be surprised when a certain faction of our fans turns on a guy.

3rd in minutes played
2nd in points (and points per minute played)
3rd in rebounds (2nd in rebounds per minute played)
4th in 3pt pct (by a very slim margin--he's virtually tied for 3rd, and Odomes is second, on just 16 attempts, so you could really move Manek up to a tie for 2nd)

Yep, he pretty much sucks. Bench him.

 

[oudna]

Manek was sick for a while and lost 10-12 pounds. You can see he's thinner now than when the season started.

He's been asked to play a role this season that I don't think was ever envisioned for him, and he's been a key player for us. We'd have been MUCH worse without him. It's amazing to me that he's coming in for criticism, but I suppose I should never be surprised when a certain faction of our fans turns on a guy.

3rd in minutes played
2nd in points (and points per minute played)
3rd in rebounds (2nd in rebounds per minute played)
4th in 3pt pct (by a very slim margin--he's virtually tied for 3rd, and Odomes is second, on just 16 attempts, so you could really move Manek up to a tie for 2nd)

Yep, he pretty much sucks. Bench him.

Go take a midol.

 

[skyvue]

Go take a midol.

Thanks for your insightful reply.

 

[oudna]

Insightful, like making up sht like “he sucks” or “bench him”, which literally no one has said?

Grow some thicker skin, princess.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Thanks for your insightful reply.

People grow tired of back handed comments just like you don't enjoy player criticism. You are not privy to making the distinction as to which one is the lesser of two evils but you do get to decide of whether you will be a willing participant.

 

[Big Old Booger]

He's clearly one of our 5 best players but I'm not sure if that's because of his talent level or the overall talent on the roster. He has an excellent shooting touch when left open but as others have said he struggles to create his own shot. The biggest issue with Brady is he doesn't seem to like defense very much and rebounding even less than that. Some teams can play a 6'10" shooter without expectation of being physical and rebounding but this roster can't handle it. He has to be able to do all and so far he's not able or willing, not sure which one.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I don't care if Manek gets mad, cusses, and slaps his hands together when he misses a shot or thinks a foul should have been called, but I do get upset when he doesn't hustle back on defense while he is doing those things. I think it is fair to say that he needs to do a better job of using his anger in a positive way -- some guys can do that, others can't.

That said, I think some people have clearly gone overboard in acting like the guy isn't a good Big 12 player. He would get a lot of playing time on any team in this league, and he has definitely improved from last season. He needs to get physically stronger, and there's no reason to think that can't happen for a naturally skinny, 20-year-old kid who probably didn't do much lifting till he got to college. He has developed a better midrange game than last year, but still needs to get much better at finishing at the rim and through contact. But again, it seems like some people want to constantly point out the flaws of our players while ignoring the fact that players on other teams have the same issues. KSU fans wanted to pull their hair out for the first two years of Dean Wade's career because they thought he was way too passive, and even to this day, he has games where he defers too much and loses confidence too easily for a player of his caliber.

 

[skyvue]

Insightful, like making up sht like “he sucks” or “bench him”, which literally no one has said?

Grow some thicker skin, princess.

I'd say it's you who needs the thicker skin, internet tough guy.

I offered actual facts in my reply, not just feelings and opinions. For example, the fact that Manek was fighting an illness for a prolonged period of time and lost a significant amount of weight (but he's still being asked to battle inside).

And a list of stats that pretty much confirm that the notion that he's deserving of a starting role (one poster repeatedly insisted he wasn't, which inspired my "Bench him" crack).

Manek has been among the least of our worries this season.

 

[sperry]

Yeah, the idea that Manek sucks is ridiculous. He is the third best player on a team that is going to make the tournament, and he's just a sophomore. He needs to mature, but he is a good player.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I'd say it's you who needs the thicker skin, internet tough guy.

I offered actual facts in my reply, not just feelings and opinions. For example, the fact that Manek was fighting an illness for a prolonged period of time and lost a significant amount of weight (but he's still being asked to battle inside).

And a list of stats that pretty much confirm that the notion that he's deserving of a starting role (one poster repeatedly insisted he wasn't, which inspired my "Bench him" crack).

Manek has been among the least of our worries this season.

Chances are perspective is based on information, both qualitative and quantitative, as you would likely agree with. Now your position might suggest that you have more information than the posters you call out and that conveys they should not make the comments based on this lack of info. But what if there are those who have more information than you and thus you should keep your comments to yourself. This is what is called an endless cycle. Perhaps a shorter horse is in order.

 

[WTSooner]

I'm asking this question without doing my homework first, which I usually don't do.

But using the Kelvin era as a gauge (since we were a consistent top 25 team), how many 4/5 guys that started during that era, moreso 4 guys, would Manek have started over?

Not Minor. Not Eduardo. No Hump. No Ace. Not Bookout. No Brown. I'd take Selvy over him. Not Abercrombie. I'd take Renzi Stone over him, though I could possibly see this one as being debatable (4 vs 5 also). Did Johnnie Gilbert start much? Might take Manek over him.

Not trying to bash the kid, but OU has had a long line of 4's that I'd take over him. I didn't even get into the Capel/Kruger eras, where I'd take Thomas, Griffin (maybe both), and Osby over him. That's the point I'm trying to make. Maybe he makes a jump the next two years and is a better all around player. But he should not have been starting these past two years, and he wouldn't have at most any other point in the last 20+ years of OU basketball.

 

[AdaSooner]

I'm asking this question without doing my homework first, which I usually don't do.

But using the Kelvin era as a gauge (since we were a consistent top 25 team), how many 4/5 guys that started during that era, moreso 4 guys, would Manek have started over?

Not Minor. Not Eduardo. No Hump. No Ace. Not Bookout. No Brown. I'd take Selvy over him. Not Abercrombie. I'd take Renzi Stone over him, though I could possibly see this one as being debatable (4 vs 5 also). Did Johnnie Gilbert start much? Might take Manek over him.

Not trying to bash the kid, but OU has had a long line of 4's that I'd take over him. I didn't even get into the Capel/Kruger eras, where I'd take Thomas, Griffin (maybe both), and Osby over him. That's the point I'm trying to make. Maybe he makes a jump the next two years and is a better all around player. But he should not have been starting these past two years, and he wouldn't have at most any other point in the last 20+ years of OU basketball.

To be fair, I think you need to ask that question when Manek is a senior. A bigger, stronger Manek two years from now could be an entirely different player than the one we’re seeing now.

Most of the players on your list were not much of a threat to score from the perimeter. Ace, Eduardo and Selvy were to some extent. Osby his senior season. Griffin didnt move to beyond the arc until he was the NBA.

 

[thewez]

I'm asking this question without doing my homework first, which I usually don't do.

But using the Kelvin era as a gauge (since we were a consistent top 25 team), how many 4/5 guys that started during that era, moreso 4 guys, would Manek have started over?

Not Minor. Not Eduardo. No Hump. No Ace. Not Bookout. No Brown. I'd take Selvy over him. Not Abercrombie. I'd take Renzi Stone over him, though I could possibly see this one as being debatable (4 vs 5 also). Did Johnnie Gilbert start much? Might take Manek over him.

Not trying to bash the kid, but OU has had a long line of 4's that I'd take over him. I didn't even get into the Capel/Kruger eras, where I'd take Thomas, Griffin (maybe both), and Osby over him. That's the point I'm trying to make. Maybe he makes a jump the next two years and is a better all around player. But he should not have been starting these past two years, and he wouldn't have at most any other point in the last 20+ years of OU basketball.

Are we saying take these guys at their peak, or take sophomore them? I think that makes a difference. Manek still has plenty of time to grow, and I think it's important to remember a lot of guys who turned out great didn't start that way.

 

[CMSOONER]

I think including Centers is a little much. As much as debated about Doolittle being a 5, Manek is certainly not a 5. Hump, Bookout, Brown, Stone and Gilbert were strictly under the basket post players.

Manek is a considerably better shooter than Thomas TGriff and Osby. Manek is a stretch 4, OU has never really had a true stretch 4.

 

[Sooner04]

But using the Kelvin era as a gauge (since we were a consistent top 25 team), how many 4/5 guys that started during that era, moreso 4 guys, would Manek have started over?

Not Minor. Not Eduardo. No Hump. No Ace. Not Bookout. No Brown. I'd take Selvy over him. Not Abercrombie. I'd take Renzi Stone over him, though I could possibly see this one as being debatable (4 vs 5 also). Did Johnnie Gilbert start much? Might take Manek over him.

We're the same era, so here goes:

1. Minor was a three. No comparison.
2. Eduardo every day.
3. Hump, but barely.
4. Which year of Ace? 2001, Manek. 2002, Ace by a gargantuan margin.
5. Bookout - Kelvin's Spangler
6. Jabahri if it's a weed smoking contest. Otherwise, Manek.
7. Selvy? Manek for sure.
8. I would've named my daughter Ernie had my wife allowed. The Big A for sure.
9. Renzi? Hands of Stone? Now you're reaching. No contest, Manek.
10. Johnnie Gilbert? Manek, and it's not close.