March Madness and Covid-19

[MJSooner]

BTW, Italy just closed all stores except supermarkets and pharmacies. Country is on a total lockdown at this point.

 

[coolm]

here .... let me draw the diagram:

minimizing the effects = more people get together = more people exposed = more people dead. we do not have the respirators or the space so it has nothing to do with how deadly it is in other places. the problem is limited by OUR ability to treat the ill here in the US.

and saying "there are 2 sides so we wait until we know better" just equals more people dead. thats why you fail on the side of safety even if it costs you some stock market points.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Wait, there is and always will be only one set of facts. You are correct in that we don't know what those facts will determine as far as consequences, but there are still only one side of the truth.

What may I ask is the other side to this story than the facts based on statistics and health professionals?

You are correct about facts,but we did not know a couple of weeks ago that Italy would be so hard hit. It happened and because of so we now know the realization. Point is the facts of the outcome have still yet to be written for the most part and it is a dynamic situation that can change and will change throughout the process. At some point we will get a glimmer of hope and the next day will indicate the opposite.

 

[coolm]

You are correct about facts,but we did not know a couple of weeks ago that Italy would be so hard hit. It happened and because of so we now know the realization. Point is the facts of the outcome have still yet to be written for the most part and it is a dynamic situation that can change and will change throughout the process. At some point we will get a glimmer of hope and the next day will indicate the opposite.

no. you're missing the point. the limiting factor isn't the disease ... it's our inability to deal with this type of disease. waiting on numbers from italy is a gross conceptual error.

 

[steverocks35]

You are correct about facts,but we did not know a couple of weeks ago that Italy would be so hard hit. It happened and because of so we now know the realization. Point is the facts of the outcome have still yet to be written for the most part and it is a dynamic situation that can change and will change throughout the process. At some point we will get a glimmer of hope and the next day will indicate the opposite.

I think a regional manager once said this exact quote at a meeting where I fell asleep.

 

[sheepdogs1]

here .... let me draw the diagram:

minimizing the effects = more people get together = more people exposed = more people dead. we do not have the respirators or the space so it has nothing to do with how deadly it is in other places. the problem is limited by OUR ability to treat the ill here in the US.

and saying "there are 2 sides so we wait until we know better" just equals more people dead. thats why you fail on the side of safety even if it costs you some stock market points.

I am in no way saying to wait on anything other than the passage of time will illustrate who was more right and nothing else. Geez people.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I think a regional manager once said this exact quote at a meeting where I fell asleep.

And I've noticed that you keep some strange hours.

 

[steverocks35]

And I've noticed that you keep some strange hours.

That is correct... lol

 

[sheepdogs1]

no. you're missing the point. the limiting factor isn't the disease ... it's our inability to deal with this type of disease. waiting on numbers from italy is a gross conceptual error.

I am in no way "waiting on numbers from Italy." Where do you get this stuff from and I'm being quite hospitable here. I am talking about knowing the future before it occurs, obviously.

 

[steverocks35]

I am in no way "waiting on numbers from Italy." Where do you get this stuff from and I'm being quite hospitable here. I am talking about knowing the future before it occurs, obviously.

Well some things we do know. Unless the world ends tomorrow, Covid-19 infections will expand logarithmically, it's a mathematical certainty.

 

[coolm]

I am in no way "waiting on numbers from Italy." Where do you get this stuff from and I'm being quite hospitable here. I am talking about knowing the future before it occurs, obviously.

and all you're doing now is walking it back. you said "well these are dynamic changing numbers and fear will happen and then be alleviated the next day". we DO know the future ... people are going to die ... so we should be working to stop that.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Well some things we do know. Unless the world ends tomorrow, Covid-19 infections will expand logarithmically, it's a mathematical certainty.

And I never dispelled that in any way shape or form. On a side note, do you have anything for a headache?

 

[BoulderSooner]

Well some things we do know. Unless the world ends tomorrow, Covid-19 infections will expand logarithmically, it's a mathematical certainty.

Then why haven’t they in the USA?

The first case here was in middle Jan before Italy

 

[sheepdogs1]

and all you're doing now is walking it back. you said "well these are dynamic changing numbers and fear will happen and then be alleviated the next day". we DO know the future ... people are going to die ... so we should be working to stop that.

I'm not walking back a Goddamn thing. Get a grip. I said some days will appear better than others. I mean how hard is that to figure out. And no one is purposely trying to magnify the damage to be wrought.


I mean I love you guys, but sometimes I'm compelled to call Bill Self and ask how much his hairpiece cost. And I might need one for the lower region, too. I'm old school.

 

[steverocks35]

Then why haven’t they in the USA?

The first case here was in middle Jan before Italy

What are you talking about? 14 days ago there were 15 cases in the United States. As of last night there were over 1,110!

 

[steverocks35]

Then why haven’t they in the USA?

The first case here was in middle Jan before Italy

There's a big difference between a person that caught the virus somewhere else and came here, and when the virus starts becoming community-acquired, the latter is when you start seeing the logarithmic growth.

 

[coolm]

I'm not walking back a Goddamn thing. Get a grip. I said some days will appear better than others. I mean how hard is that to figure out. And no one is purposely trying to magnify the damage to be wrought.

Deny it all you want but you were offering up reasons to not take the issue seriously. you were minimizing it. it's an emergent threat and not something "to take more casually and kick down the road".

 

[MJSooner]

There's a big difference between a person that caught the virus somewhere else and came here, and when the virus starts becoming community-acquired, the latter is when you start seeing the logarithmic growth.

Great way to describe it. So far, it seems like most of the cases in the US have not been community spread, with the exception of a few clusters, like in Washington.

That is why there is so much "overreaction and panic", according to some in denial, by limiting public exposures. While the cases have escalated rapidly, we haven't seen that explosion if we have community spread in one of our major cities.

 

[NickZepp]

This. Is. Not. The. Flu.

Read the thread, we've covered this extensively.

Covid-19 is in the same family of viruses as SARS and MERS.

Sars and MERS and flu are all in the same family btw. But it doesn't matter. Hysteria wins in this case and everyone will die according to the likes of you.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Deny it all you want but you were offering up reasons to not take the issue seriously. you were minimizing it. it's an emergent threat and not something "to take more casually and kick down the road".

This is an outright lie! There is nothing I said which explicitly or implicitly stated I was minimizing anything. Anything. Two sides of the story are either the Sooners will win their next basketball game or they will lose it. Go figure. Some think they will be victorious while others will think they will not. This is exactly what I am talking about and there is no minimizing to it. Some are stating the death rate will be this number or that number and neither of them know beforehand what it will be in reality. I mean it is not a tough concept to understand.

In all due respect do you know what you are planning to eat for supper this coming Friday night? Most do not yet I'm supposed to believe something which can have great variability can be pegged with certainty before it occurs. And, yes, I fully understand many will become ill and a portion of the ill will not recover and it will be a great loss.