MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

People keep asking where the offense is going to come from and how a guy like Moore fits, I think Moser is going to stick a bunch of athletes on the floor, try to be very good or elite on defense, and hope that defense leads to easy looks in transition.

I'm not going to hold my breath, but I'm pretty certain that is the "strategy" at this point.

Too many people look at recruiting as coaches just go get whoever they want or that it's easy to get people to go to school XYZ because of the perception of the school or what conference they play in. Basketball is one of those things where there are 1000 ways to skin a cat type deals. NIL and the portal have drastically changed things too...not only getting guys but also retaining guys.

Moser has always put an emphasis on defense. I'm not a particular fan of his offense but, as a coach, you have to find ways to score and increasing tempo and pace is definitely one way. He may find it easier to build a team that way at OU. We obviously aren't going to build a program like UK or KU do by loading up with 5* kids and one and done-types. Whatever works. If he needed to shift strategies a little in the process I'm fine with that. It may be a little subtle changes but if it works then awesome. You know he won't make wholesale changes to his offense though.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Arthur Kaluma to KSU.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Too many people look at recruiting as coaches just go get whoever they want or that it's easy to get people to go to school XYZ because of the perception of the school or what conference they play in. Basketball is one of those things where there are 1000 ways to skin a cat type deals. NIL and the portal have drastically changed things too...not only getting guys but also retaining guys.

Moser has always put an emphasis on defense. I'm not a particular fan of his offense but, as a coach, you have to find ways to score and increasing tempo and pace is definitely one way. He may find it easier to build a team that way at OU. We obviously aren't going to build a program like UK or KU do by loading up with 5* kids and one and done-types. Whatever works. If he needed to shift strategies a little in the process I'm fine with that. It may be a little subtle changes but if it works then awesome. You know he won't make wholesale changes to his offense though.

I agree with your last sentence, and it’s one of the main reasons I am not a fan. The best coaches are adaptable. They change with the times, and adjust to their personnel. They aren’t stubborn and unwilling to change.

 

[TINY]

Gosh, I'm sorry you're frustrated.

Coach shares more valuable info than 95% of the posters on this board (include me in that 95% percent); that he's occasionally wrong is a given--anyone sharing early intel on hiring, recruiting and transfers is going to be wrong some of the time.

Co-sign this post. Perfect response here, Sky

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I agree with your last sentence, and it’s one of the main reasons I am not a fan. The best coaches are adaptable. They change with the times, and adjust to their personnel. They aren’t stubborn and unwilling to change.

You don't really wholesale things that you've been successful with. You tweak it to fit what you need to do.

High school coaching is a bit different in that you can't really recruit to fit your needs and have to adjust to what you have more.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You don't really wholesale things that you've been successful with. You tweak it to fit what you need to do.

High school coaching is a bit different in that you can't really recruit to fit your needs and have to adjust to what you have more.

Totally disagree. Lots of the best college coaches of this generation have drastically changed both their playing style and/or recruiting approaches. Self, Sampson, and Coach K immediately come to mind. And those guys have had tons more success than Moser. Moser’s system worked for a handful of years at a different school in a bad league. If he is unwilling to change despite having bad offenses his first two seasons in Norman simply because his slow, plodding pace worked for a while at Loyola, that’s very concerning.

 

[TINY]

How do we know Moser is unwilling to adapt when he has only been here for 2 years? Ou would have been even worse last year in an uptempo based on our lack of athleticism imo. I would argue that the slow pace was our best chance to win games last year.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Totally disagree. Lots of the best college coaches of this generation have drastically changed both their playing style and/or recruiting approaches. Self, Sampson, and Coach K immediately come to mind. And those guys have had tons more success than Moser. Moser’s system worked for a handful of years at a different school in a bad league. If he is unwilling to change despite having bad offenses his first two seasons in Norman simply because his slow, plodding pace worked for a while at Loyola, that’s very concerning.

Those guys definitely adjusted recruiting over the years but Coach K retired without dealing as much with NIL and the portal so that is kind of a wash. You can't compare Self and Moser....just not a apples to apples.

As for Sampson and his drastic change

His first 4 years at OU his team's averaged 80+ just one time...and over 75 one other time
His last 5 years at OU his team's averaged78, 70, 66, 75 and 69 ppg
His first 5 at Houston: 64, 77, 74, 77 and 75
His last 4 at UH: 72, 76, 75, 75
Moser first 2 at OU: 69 and 68

Where is the drastic change in style for Sampson? it just isn't there. Adjusting recruiting? He has to with the landscape and we have all discussed this ad nauseum. You think NIL and the portal are minimal differences and I believe it is pretty significant. We can agree to disagree on that but the drastic change in style of play is just not true. Guys cut their teeth and learn under a coach and then adjust it to fit their beliefs and style but they rarely totally change their systems. Not that is never happens but it is rare. You go with what you are comfortable with and try to get kids to fit it as much as possible and tweak things here and there.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Those guys definitely adjusted recruiting over the years but Coach K retired without dealing as much with NIL and the portal so that is kind of a wash. You can't compare Self and Sampson....just not a apples to apples.

As for Sampson and his drastic change

His first 4 years at OU his team's averaged 80+ just one time...and over 75 one other time
His last 5 years at OU his team's averaged78, 70, 66, 75 and 69 ppg
His first 5 at Houston: 64, 77, 74, 77 and 75
His last 4 at UH: 72, 76, 75, 75
Moser first 2 at OU: 69 and 68

Where is the drastic change in style for Sampson? it just isn't there. Adjusting recruiting? He has to with the landscape and we have all discussed this ad nauseum. You think NIL and the portal are minimal differences and I believe it is pretty significant. We can agree to disagree on that but the drastic change in style of play is just not true. Guys cut their teeth and learn under a coach and then adjust it to fit their beliefs and style but they rarely totally change their systems. Not that is never happens but it is rare. You go with what you are comfortable with and try to get kids to fit it as much as possible and tweak things here and there.

never let stats and facts get in the way of a narrative .. lol

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

never let stats and facts get in the way of a narrative .. lol

 

[WichitaSooner]

never let stats and facts get in the way of a narrative .. lol

Lol you guys amaze me sometimes. Where in my post did I say that Kelvin’s teams score more now than they used to? I said that he, and the other coaches I named, have adjusted their styles of play and/or recruiting. Self: played a high-low system for years and years, won a title with it, then, when the game changed and his personnel wasn’t suited for it, he was an early adapter to the four-guard system and won a title with it. Now he will go back to a two-post system.

Coach K: went from relying on four-year players to becoming heavily reliant on one-and-done players. Kept winning along the way.

Kelvin: has said dozens of times that his NBA experience has significantly altered his offensive approach. He’s gone so far as to say that he was not a very good offensive coach at OU, if I’m not mistaken.

But sure, stats showing Kelvin’s points per game prove me wrong. And I guess his response to Self was to simply say, well, he doesn’t count. And Coach K didn’t have to deal with NIL. Who cares? He adjusted his recruiting years ago. I wish we could get through a single post without NIL being mentioned.

And I’ll give you another example: Bob Huggins. They haven’t been Press Virginia for a number of years now.

But what do those guys know about winning, anyway?

 

[Eielson]

he was an early adapter to the four-guard system and won a title with it.

Early adopter? Kelvin was running a 4-guard system in the 90s at Washington State. I guess "early" is relative term, but man, that sure is an aggressive use of the word.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Lol you guys amaze me sometimes. Where in my post did I say that Kelvin’s teams score more now than they used to? I said that he, and the other coaches I named, have adjusted their styles of play and/or recruiting. Self: played a high-low system for years and years, won a title with it, then, when the game changed and his personnel wasn’t suited for it, he was an early adapter to the four-guard system and won a title with it. Now he will go back to a two-post system.

Coach K: went from relying on four-year players to becoming heavily reliant on one-and-done players. Kept winning along the way.

Kelvin: has said dozens of times that his NBA experience has significantly altered his offensive approach. He’s gone so far as to say that he was not a very good offensive coach at OU, if I’m not mistaken.

But sure, stats showing Kelvin’s points per game prove me wrong. And I guess his response to Self was to simply say, well, he doesn’t count. And Coach K didn’t have to deal with NIL. Who cares? He adjusted his recruiting years ago. I wish we could get through a single post without NIL being mentioned.

And I’ll give you another example: Bob Huggins. They haven’t been Press Virginia for a number of years now.

But what do those guys know about winning, anyway?

Dude you could play tiddly winks on offense with 5 five star kids and be pretty successful. Coach K was not doing everything above the table either....believe that or don't, I don't care.

Kelvin shifted to a lot of pick and roll stuff he picked up in the NBA...so what? He still averages almost the same number of points so it didn't drastically alter things. He still relies on tough rebounding, physical teams that play defense first. Your definition of drastic changes and mine are obviously different.

 

[61sooner]

I keep looking for some news about a decent 4 coming to OU and see nothing
encouraging.
Can our new influx of players get the team over 500% for the season, up in the air.
Perhaps OU is just not a destination school for any type flight talent.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Those guys definitely adjusted recruiting over the years but Coach K retired without dealing as much with NIL and the portal so that is kind of a wash. You can't compare Self and Moser....just not a apples to apples.

As for Sampson and his drastic change

His first 4 years at OU his team's averaged 80+ just one time...and over 75 one other time
His last 5 years at OU his team's averaged78, 70, 66, 75 and 69 ppg
His first 5 at Houston: 64, 77, 74, 77 and 75
His last 4 at UH: 72, 76, 75, 75
Moser first 2 at OU: 69 and 68

Where is the drastic change in style for Sampson? it just isn't there. Adjusting recruiting? He has to with the landscape and we have all discussed this ad nauseum. You think NIL and the portal are minimal differences and I believe it is pretty significant. We can agree to disagree on that but the drastic change in style of play is just not true. Guys cut their teeth and learn under a coach and then adjust it to fit their beliefs and style but they rarely totally change their systems. Not that is never happens but it is rare. You go with what you are comfortable with and try to get kids to fit it as much as possible and tweak things here and there.

Houston SOS ranks:
'23 - 89th
'22 - 75th
'21 - 90th
'20 - 68th
'19 - 76th
'18 - 81st
'17 - 95th
'16 - 134th
'15 - 207th

That tends to help as well.

 

[TINY]

Houston SOS ranks:
'23 - 89th
'22 - 75th
'21 - 90th
'20 - 68th
'19 - 76th
'18 - 81st
'17 - 95th
'16 - 134th
'15 - 207th

That tends to help as well.

I’m really excited to see how Houston does in the big12 next year. I will be surprised if they are much better than .500 in conference.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I’m really excited to see how Houston does in the big12 next year. I will be surprised if they are much better than .500 in conference.

I think Kelvin will find a way to be better than .500 in conference but I don't know how much better. I don't think they will be in the top 2-3. We'll see.

 

[TEvans4Three]

I think Kelvin will find a way to be better than .500 in conference but I don't know how much better. I don't think they will be in the top 2-3. We'll see.

I did a fun little swap with records and schedules based on how well OU/Houston did with 1-25, 26-50, 51-75, and 76+...

OU in Houston's schedule would have been 25-10 (14-4 or 13-5 in conference).
Houston, in OU's schedule would have been 24-8.

Strictly based on win % vs. those ranked teams, taking out the tournament teams.

So, based on that rudimentary analysis, they would be above .500 easy. That would include 2 losses in the Big12 tourney and March Madness for them as well.

(I took out the games with Miami, Auburn, and N. Kentucky, bc OU would have been on the bubble and I didnt want to include "potential" games.

Projected:
OU would have been 3rd in the AAC
Houston would have been anywhere from T-1st to 3rd in the Big 12. (potentially, bc you are flipping coins for their losses)

 

[CoachTalk]

I keep looking for some news about a decent 4 coming to OU and see nothing
encouraging.
Can our new influx of players get the team over 500% for the season, up in the air.
Perhaps OU is just not a destination school for any type flight talent.

I get the 4 man talk.

Just signed 2 top 100 players along with 2 top 100 player the year before.

 

[WTSooner]

I’m really excited to see how Houston does in the big12 next year. I will be surprised if they are much better than .500 in conference.

They have a lot of new pieces next year, but they will be better than .500.

Just look at their record against NCAA Tourney teams over recent seasons.