MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[WichitaSooner]

I’m really excited to see how Houston does in the big12 next year. I will be surprised if they are much better than .500 in conference.

Be ready to be surprised.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Dude you could play tiddly winks on offense with 5 five star kids and be pretty successful. Coach K was not doing everything above the table either....believe that or don't, I don't care.

Kelvin shifted to a lot of pick and roll stuff he picked up in the NBA...so what? He still averages almost the same number of points so it didn't drastically alter things. He still relies on tough rebounding, physical teams that play defense first. Your definition of drastic changes and mine are obviously different.

So basically, every example I give, you’ll just find some reason to say it’s not a fair comparison. No need to continue the discussion in that case.

 

[red recluse]

I’m really excited to see how Houston does in the big12 next year. I will be surprised if they are much better than .500 in conference.

let me know if you own a sportsbook.

 

[TINY]

They have a lot of new pieces next year, but they will be better than .500.

Just look at their record against NCAA Tourney teams over recent seasons.

It’s not the same as playing a top 50 team twice a week with half coming on the road. It’s a whole ‘nother monster during conference play.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

So basically, every example I give, you’ll just find some reason to say it’s not a fair comparison. No need to continue the discussion in that case.

Because you give examples that aren't really comparable. Every coach shifts offenses over time. Your examples aren't valid. You said drastically shifts. Running a different type of offense with the same result isn't really a drastic shift.

You could be a 5 star chef and if I come in and tell you that flanks steak, skirt steak and filet mignon are all comparable you know that isn't true. But hey...I watch Food Network religiously and I also watched the whole last season of Pit Masters, so I know what I'm talking about......yea ok.

 

[TINY]

Be ready to be surprised.

10-8 / 11-7 is just above .500 in conference imo. Baylor was 11-7, for example. I seriously doubt that Houston is better than that next year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Because you give examples that aren't really comparable. Every coach shifts offenses over time. Your examples aren't valid. You said drastically shifts. Running a different type of offense with the same result isn't really a drastic shift.

You could be a 5 star chef and if I come in and tell you that flanks steak, skirt steak and filet mignon are all comparable you know that isn't true. But hey...I watch Food Network religiously and I also watched the whole last season of Pit Masters, so I know what I'm talking about......yea ok.

Lol Bill Self completely changed his offense. A 180 degree change. Now he is changing back. You still haven’t addressed this. You keep picking out the Kelvin Sampson example and not respond to any of the others. And I forgot … you know basketball better than all of us. Remind me … did you coach at some point? I don’t think you’ve mentioned it in the last five minutes. I can’t possibly understand that Kansas has changed styles since I didn’t coach.

Your statement that I disagreed with was that coaches do NOT make major changes to their systems and styles. I’ve given examples of great coaches doing just that, and you just keep saying “that’s not comparable.” Why? Why wouldn’t Moser be able to do the same thing if he wanted to? What’s stopping him from realizing that the system he played in the Valley, and the type of players he played it with, absolutely won’t work in the Big 12? That’s something that is totally in his control if he wants to go that route. If he doesn’t, it is a choice.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It’s not the same as playing a top 50 team twice a week with half coming on the road. It’s a whole ‘nother monster during conference play.

He has more talent than he ever had at OU, and his best OU teams went well over .500. The conference is way better now, so I don’t expect them to go 15-3 or 16-2 or anything crazy, but I’d probably pencil them in for 12-6 if I had to guess a specific record. Of course, it depends a bit on which teams they play twice and which they only play once.

 

[TINY]

Lol Bill Self completely changed his offense. A 180 degree change. Now he is changing back. You still haven’t addressed this. You keep picking out the Kelvin Sampson example and not respond to any of the others. And I forgot … you know basketball better than all of us. Remind me … did you coach at some point? I don’t think you’ve mentioned it in the last five minutes. I can’t possibly understand that Kansas has changed styles since I didn’t coach.

Your statement that I disagreed with was that coaches do NOT make major changes to their systems and styles. I’ve given examples of great coaches doing just that, and you just keep saying “that’s not comparable.” Why? Why wouldn’t Moser be able to do the same thing if he wanted to? What’s stopping him from realizing that the system he played in the Valley, and the type of players he played it with, absolutely won’t work in the Big 12? That’s something that is totally in his control if he wants to go that route. If he doesn’t, it is a choice.

Do you know the future? I ask because you are stating things as fact that simply aren’t known yet. How do you know Moser wouldn’t change his style if he had the roster to play uptempo? Take a look at the guys he has signed out of high school and read your last paragraph again. Do Uzan, Oweh, Cooper look like valley players to you? He is targeting elite portal players but is getting outbid. I’m not sure how that’s his fault.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Do you know the future? I ask because you are stating things as fact that simply aren’t known yet. How do you know Moser wouldn’t change his style if he had the roster to play uptempo? Take a look at the guys he has signed out of high school and read your last paragraph again. Do Uzan, Oweh, Cooper look like valley players to you? He is targeting elite portal players but is getting outbid. I’m not sure how that’s his fault.

I’m simply replying to what North Carolina posted. He is the one who said he won’t change his system.

I tend to agree, though. Dude has been coaching for two decades. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong, but I don’t see any sign he will loosen the reins and truly play fast. Our best games last year were when we played fast, yet he didn’t make the adjustment for more than one game at a time.

 

[skyvue]

In the announcement of Moore's signing, the following was part of a quote from Coach Moser: "Jalon's athleticism will help us run our up-tempo offense next season."

 

[CoachTalk]

lol, coach will also post something snarky if the kid does end up at OU, suggesting he "knew", and if the kid goes elsewhere he'll make some excuse.

That is where Wichita's "frustrations", and mine at times, come from.

Kid has 1 season left (it appears). We have Hugley. We have 3 other 5's on our roster. Just doesn't seem like a good fit. Also not a huge fan of recruiting another kid that moves around pretty much every year. Let some other school be his 4th school in 5 years.

I actually find this funny. You 2 come on here everyday and tell all of us that you guys “know” everything and we are all wrong. 2 vs the board.

I pass along information.

Sometimes I hear we are getting someone. Things change. Guess you see that as an excuse. You’re behind on the times. Parker thune and Brandon drum are wrong just as much. Things change.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I’m simply replying to what North Carolina posted. He is the one who said he won’t change his system.

I tend to agree, though. Dude has been coaching for two decades. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong, but I don’t see any sign he will loosen the reins and truly play fast. Our best games last year were when we played fast, yet he didn’t make the adjustment for more than one game at a time.

I said he likely won't drastically change his system
Then I decided your idea of drastic and mine are two different things. You seem to want to argue just to argue. Are you a lawyer by chance?


To me, a drastic change would be someone like Jim Boeheim going away from his zone defense and running full on uptempo with full court jump traps. Or Kelvin going from his defense first, grind it out style to Billy Tubbs Run and Gun. That's drastic.

You praise Sampson and how good of a coach he is and blast Moser's "slow, ancient, plodding, ou dated" offense and Kelvins team literally averages like 5-6 ppg more. I don't care for Moser's offense much but it still only averaged less than 8 ppg shy of Bill Self and the Jayhawks. Coach K's teams mostly ran a variant of a 3 out 2 in motion and averaged usually in the high 70s to low 80s.

My point with Moser was simply that he won't be veering off the basics of the old Rick Majerus 4 out motion but he may try to push the pace and score in transition a little more. He's not going from what he's always done to the Grinnell system or anything like that, which WOULD be drastic.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Since I posted this over at scoop, here are the compiled quotes and keywords from our portalees.

So, compiling all the Moser quotes on the players, some things start to take shape and a few words stick out:

On Javian McCollum:
"Javian is a dynamic guard who brings instant speed to our team," said Moser. "Last year, he played with one of the fastest paces in the NCAA and will be a perfect addition to the roster as we aim to play more up tempo. He has a competitive edge and makes other players better. Javian has a great knack for scoring and the ability to shoot from deep. I am excited for him to join the OU family."


On Le’Tre Darthard:
"Le'Tre brings experience and toughness on both ends of the court," said Moser. "He was a member of two championship teams at Utah Valley and showed his ability last season in the WAC as an all-defensive and all-league selection. Le'Tre is an efficient three-level scorer who has deep range. I am excited for him to join the OU family."


On John Hugley IV:
"John is an extremely physical post player and uses his 6-9 frame aggressively around the basket," said Moser. "When he is healthy, he has proven to be one of the best five man scorers in the country and showed his ability in the ACC. He has a great feel on offensive and is a willing facilitator. His physical toughness and size make it extremely hard for opposing teams to switch. I am excited for him to join the OU family."


On Rivaldo Soares:
"At 6-6, Rivaldo gives us a long and competitive athletic wing who has played at the highest level," said Moser. "He is an elite defender who can create offense with his defense. At Oregon, he was always tasked to guard the other team's best player. His addition to the roster continues to build our length and athleticism as we aim to build a more athletic and up-tempo team. I am excited for him to join the OU family."


On Jalon Moore:
"Jalon brings length, toughness and tremendous athleticism to our roster," said Oklahoma head men's basketball coach Porter Moser. "He impacts the game in transition and on the offensive glass. Jalon's athleticism will help us run our up-tempo offense next season. Excited for him to take the next step and help us take the next step. I look forward to him joining the OU family."

Javian - Speed, scoring
Le'Tre - Toughness, defense, scorer
Hugley IV - Physical, scorer, aggressive
Soares - Athletic, defense
Jalon - Athleticism, offensive glass (hallelujah)

Moser: "Up-tempo" was repeated several times with Javian, Soares, and Moore.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I actually find this funny. You 2 come on here everyday and tell all of us that you guys “know” everything and we are all wrong. 2 vs the board.

I pass along information.

Sometimes I hear we are getting someone. Things change. Guess you see that as an excuse. You’re behind on the times. Parker thune and Brandon drum are wrong just as much. Things change.

Again, I don't mind when you are wrong. I mind when you post one thing (i.e., specifically link us to a specific player and say we have a legit chance), then, after said player signs elsewhere, come back, shrug, and say something along the lines of, "as expected, was never a realistic option, no worries, there are still 14,000 players left in the portal, we will end up with a good four." Just be consistent. And when info changes, pass along that info rather than waiting till after a kid signs elsewhere. For instance, what happened to the "surprise" four who was allegedly visiting a couple months ago?

 

[WichitaSooner]

In the announcement of Moore's signing, the following was part of a quote from Coach Moser: "Jalon's athleticism will help us run our up-tempo offense next season."

Moser, October, 2022, Big 12 media days, and several interviews with individual media outlets: we are going to look to run more and get out in transition this season.

 

[skyvue]

And when info changes, pass along that info rather than waiting till after a kid signs elsewhere. For instance, what happened to the "surprise" four who was allegedly visiting a couple months ago?

It would seem you feel that Coach is not earning all that money we're paying him.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Again, I don't mind when you are wrong. I mind when you post one thing (i.e., specifically link us to a specific player and say we have a legit chance), then, after said player signs elsewhere, come back, shrug, and say something along the lines of, "as expected, was never a realistic option, no worries, there are still 14,000 players left in the portal, we will end up with a good four." Just be consistent. And when info changes, pass along that info rather than waiting till after a kid signs elsewhere. For instance, what happened to the "surprise" four who was allegedly visiting a couple months ago?

Yes @coachtalk could you please pander to all the message board masses with 100 up to the minute updates so no one gets their feelings hurt because they got their hopes up and have to come back to blame the coaching staff for failing miserably in recruiting. Thanks

Wichita you can't possibly be serious with this BS?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yes @coachtalk could you please pander to all the message board masses with 100 up to the minute updates so no one gets their feelings hurt because they got their hopes up and have to come back to blame the coaching staff for failing miserably in recruiting. Thanks

Wichita you can't possibly be serious with this BS?

Yes, I can be serious. He has been wrong the vast majority of his posts regarding the portal. And I never get my hopes up -- I know Moser won't be able to land any of the big name portal guys. I just think it is irresponsible to keep throwing out names and talking of surprises and assuring people we will land someone good.

But I probably can't understand since I didn't coach.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Yes, I can be serious. He has been wrong the vast majority of his posts regarding the portal. And I never get my hopes up -- I know Moser won't be able to land any of the big name portal guys. I just think it is irresponsible to keep throwing out names and talking of surprises and assuring people we will land someone good.

But I probably can't understand since I didn't coach.

He's been trying to let us know who we are recruiting. That's what everyone is here for. I've never seen him say we are getting anyone for sure

If you were a coach you wouldn't say half the dumb **** you say.........it's obvious. Happy?


There...FIFY Wichita. Now kindly go kiss off