MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[skyvue]

Redshirts are good if they need it and committed to the process and not bounce. Why waste a year?

Given the current culture of college hoops, counting on five years from a player (and that's what you're doing if you redshirt a guy) is iffy. And if he wasn't ready to see any action at all, that suggests he's another in a string of project bigs, which doesn't mean he won't work out, but we've seen enough of those guys who didn't pan out to make me skeptical. We need him to contribute right away. I'd trade that hypothetical fifth year for meaningful contributions next season without hesitation. If he truly wasn't ready to see any action at all in 2022-23, that leaves me not feeling hopeful.

There's probably someone I'm not remembering, but when did we last have a guy who redshirted become a major contributor?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Redshirts are good if they need it and committed to the process and not bounce. Why waste a year?

Because even if the kid is committed, so much can happen in the future and the odds of anyone staying in one place for five years are slim to none. There are a couple places that can pull it off (Houston, for one), but they are schools where the players are more likely to stick it out because they know they will be a part of a winning team for several years. I'd be willing to wager a significant amount that Norweather will not be on our roster in the '26-27 season, and if not, we just wasted a year. He may want to redshirt because it will help him down the road, but we are unlikely to be the program that gets the benefit of his fifth year.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Because even if the kid is committed, so much can happen in the future and the odds of anyone staying in one place for five years are slim to none. There are a couple places that can pull it off (Houston, for one), but they are schools where the players are more likely to stick it out because they know they will be a part of a winning team for several years. I'd be willing to wager a significant amount that Norweather will not be on our roster in the '26-27 season, and if not, we just wasted a year. He may want to redshirt because it will help him down the road, but we are unlikely to be the program that gets the benefit of his fifth year.

i think you can argue that a kid that is fine/committed to RS to get better is a better think for the team then him not RS and playing 25 min the entire season ..

it sets his expectation and lets him work on growth ..


what did Benny gain from his limited min?? where if he had bought in to RS and improve he is likely still on the roster ..

 

[Eielson]

Given the current culture of college hoops, counting on five years from a player (and that's what you're doing if you redshirt a guy) is iffy. And if he wasn't ready to see any action at all, that suggests he's another in a string of project bigs, which doesn't mean he won't work out, but we've seen enough of those guys who didn't pan out to make me skeptical. We need him to contribute right away. I'd trade that hypothetical fifth year for meaningful contributions next season without hesitation. If he truly wasn't ready to see any action at all in 2022-23, that leaves me not feeling hopeful.

There's probably someone I'm not remembering, but when did we last have a guy who redshirted become a major contributor?

For guards, I would tend to agree with you, but not for guys approaching 7 feet that don't have NBA athleticism. Big 10 schools (Purdue, Wisconsin, etc) have players like this all the time. I'm not saying Norweather will ever be a big contributor, but it was never realistic for somebody like him to contribute right away. He needs time to grow into his body. If Bo Ryan were our coach, I would remain optimistic about him.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-kaminsky-1.html

 

[TINY]

Given the current culture of college hoops, counting on five years from a player (and that's what you're doing if you redshirt a guy) is iffy. And if he wasn't ready to see any action at all, that suggests he's another in a string of project bigs, which doesn't mean he won't work out, but we've seen enough of those guys who didn't pan out to make me skeptical. We need him to contribute right away. I'd trade that hypothetical fifth year for meaningful contributions next season without hesitation. If he truly wasn't ready to see any action at all in 2022-23, that leaves me not feeling hopeful.

There's probably someone I'm not remembering, but when did we last have a guy who redshirted become a major contributor?

Jason Detrick is the only name that comes to mind.

 

[WichitaSooner]

i think you can argue that a kid that is fine/committed to RS to get better is a better think for the team then him not RS and playing 25 min the entire season ..

it sets his expectation and lets him work on growth ..


what did Benny gain from his limited min?? where if he had bought in to RS and improve he is likely still on the roster ..

I'm looking at it from the perspective of what the program gains, not what the player gains. And I don't think it's necessarily fair to suggest Benny wasn't "bought in" just because he didn't redshirt. He was probably smart enough to realize that he was more talented than some of the guys playing in front of him. Even Moser said he showed a lot of good things in practice. If he was sitting behind studs and the team was doing well, that would be one thing. Instead, he sat behind very limited players on a team that was getting beat down in conference play.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I'm looking at it from the perspective of what the program gains, not what the player gains. And I don't think it's necessarily fair to suggest Benny wasn't "bought in" just because he didn't redshirt. He was probably smart enough to realize that he was more talented than some of the guys playing in front of him. Even Moser said he showed a lot of good things in practice. If he was sitting behind studs and the team was doing well, that would be one thing. Instead, he sat behind very limited players on a team that was getting beat down in conference play.

the program gains a lot from guys sitting and improving ..

 

[skyvue]

the program gains a lot from guys sitting and improving ..

Can you provide some examples? And what's to keep Northweather from improving while also gaining some game experience?

 

[WichitaSooner]

the program gains a lot from guys sitting and improving ..

The benefit is if they improve AND stay five years. They will practice and improve regardless of whether they are redshirting or playing a few minutes in games. So the only way that redshirting benefits us is if they stick around for the extra year that redshirting makes possible.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The benefit is if they improve AND stay five years. They will practice and improve regardless of whether they are redshirting or playing a few minutes in games. So the only way that redshirting benefits us is if they stick around for the extra year that redshirting makes possible.

i think the mind set of being ok with a RS and improving makes it more likely to make a guy stay then a guy not RS and played 20-50 min over the entire season

 

[BoulderSooner]

Can you provide some examples? And what's to keep Northweather from improving while also gaining some game experience?

Baylor tons of guy over the last 10 years

 

[allday92]

Baylor tons of guy over the last 10 years

Yup, Baylor is a prime example (Flagler, Mitchell, Teague, Tchathou). Baylor also got a first team JUCO All American to redshirt this year in Dantwan Grimes. Mikael Bridges at Villanova is also a good example.

 

[steverocks35]

Jason Detrick is the only name that comes to mind.

And Detrick was redshirted only because we had so much depth at that position.

It makes no sense to redshirt a guy in today's college basketball climate. Zero.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

And Detrick was redshirted only because we had so much depth at that position.

It makes no sense to redshirt a guy in today's college basketball climate. Zero.

This is patently false. Some guys are not physically ready for the physicality, etc. It GREATLY benefits some kids.

 

[BoulderSooner]

This is patently false. Some guys are not physically ready for the physicality, etc. It GREATLY benefits some kids.

agree

 

[steverocks35]

This is patently false. Some guys are not physically ready for the physicality, etc. It GREATLY benefits some kids.

Nobody is staying 5 years at a school. Nobody. If a kid can play even a tiny bit you should get him minutes. What are you saving that last year for? So he can go play somewhere else? Makes no sense.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Nobody is staying 5 years at a school. Nobody. If a kid can play even a tiny bit you should get him minutes. What are you saving that last year for? So he can go play somewhere else? Makes no sense.

it is not just about this

 

[WichitaSooner]

Baylor tons of guy over the last 10 years

Again, the question is does it make sense for our program. Baylor and Houston are perennial powers and kids see that they compete for championships and put players in the NBA. That increases the odds those guys will stick around instead of transferring after redshirting. In this era, for this program, the cost/benefit analysis simply doesn’t support redshirting anyone.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Given the current culture of college hoops, counting on five years from a player (and that's what you're doing if you redshirt a guy) is iffy. And if he wasn't ready to see any action at all, that suggests he's another in a string of project bigs, which doesn't mean he won't work out, but we've seen enough of those guys who didn't pan out to make me skeptical. We need him to contribute right away. I'd trade that hypothetical fifth year for meaningful contributions next season without hesitation. If he truly wasn't ready to see any action at all in 2022-23, that leaves me not feeling hopeful.

There's probably someone I'm not remembering, but when did we last have a guy who redshirted become a major contributor?

Doolittle technically redshirted right? Did tyler neal redshirt? I'm getting too old to remember

 

[hoopsaustin]

Given the current culture of college hoops, counting on five years from a player (and that's what you're doing if you redshirt a guy) is iffy. And if he wasn't ready to see any action at all, that suggests he's another in a string of project bigs, which doesn't mean he won't work out, but we've seen enough of those guys who didn't pan out to make me skeptical. We need him to contribute right away. I'd trade that hypothetical fifth year for meaningful contributions next season without hesitation. If he truly wasn't ready to see any action at all in 2022-23, that leaves me not feeling hopeful.

There's probably someone I'm not remembering, but when did we last have a guy who redshirted become a major contributor?

Again, the question is does it make sense for our program. Baylor and Houston are perennial powers and kids see that they compete for championships and put players in the NBA. That increases the odds those guys will stick around instead of transferring after redshirting. In this era, for this program, the cost/benefit analysis simply doesn’t support redshirting anyone.

I think Wichita, steve, and i will die on this hill. Pointless, unless injured and i don't think northweather was hurt ALL YEAR. He couldnt get SOME minutes over godwin?