Non-con is done. Predict the Big 12...

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Technically kansas still has to finish against North Dakota, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that one...

Standings so far:

7 Baylor: 13-0
8 Mizzou: 13-0
25 kansas state: 11-1
Oklahoma: 10-2
Iowa State: 10-3
Texas: 10-3
kansas: 9-3 (10-3 pending)
A&M: 9-3
Texas Tech: 7-5
Oklahoma State: 7-5

For the first time since the Big 8 days, we all play the same conference schedule. No more pointing fingers at an easier/harder north/south schedule.

This is the most open the Big 12 has been that I can remember. Four teams have a legitimate chance to win it, and there are only two truly bad teams (and of those two, one has a coach generally held in high esteem and the other has athletes to play with just about anyone on the right night).

Part of me wants to go with the surprise (coming from me) pick and go with kansas to win it, but I can't justify picking a team with Tyshawn Turnover starting at the point. And as much talent as Baylor has, and I know Pierre Jackson is an upgrade over AJ Walton, I have similar concerns about them. (Not to mention the obligatory questions about Drew's coaching)

kansas state looks like they could push for a conference title, but they really lack the type of All-conference type guy that typically leads championship teams. Has anyone ever won the Big 12 with their leading scorer averaging less than 13 per game?

All that said, I'm not comfortable picking Mizzou, either (shocker). I'll take MU's top six against anyone else's top six in the Big 12. But after that there's a sizable drop in talent. Steve Moore is a serviceable backup center, but that's about it. Kadeem Green is a liability if he has to play more than 5-10 minutes. There's not much margin for error with this roster, and I expect that to cost us a couple games.

The next four teams all do at least a few things well, and even if they don't make a legit push for a championship, they're dangerous enough to impact who does win it.

I think whoever wins the Big 12 will have at least four losses, if not more, and I wouldn't be surprised to see tie breakers come into play in determining who gets the trophy.

I've got a bit more research to do before I make an official prediction.
 
Missouri and Baylor are the best 2 teams. But both have coaches capable of losing games that are inexplicable. I think I'll pick it like this right now.

Top Tier
Baylor
Missouri

Middle Tier
Kansas State
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

Bottom Tier
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
 
Watched Mizzu yesterday against ODU. They can be beat if you play good defense on the perimeter and use the inside game. OU has a chance!!!
 
Missouri and Baylor are the best 2 teams. But both have coaches capable of losing games that are inexplicable.

Miami Haith: yes
Missouri Haith: nothing indicates that's true yet

I think Haith's staff at Missouri is significantly better than his staff at Miami. He didn't have the resources at Miami to hire quality assistants. He had a glorified high school/AAU coaching staff. After being hired by Mizzou, there was never discussion about bringing in any of his old assistants. I can't imagine too many coaches change jobs and don't even consider taking an old assistant or two with them. The coaches he has now do a lot to cover up whatever flaws he had in the past.

FWIW, through his first seven seasons Haith had a record of 129-101 (56.1%). Lon Kruger was 116-90 (56.3%). Coaches do occasionally get better with time.

Watched Mizzu yesterday against ODU. They can be beat if you play good defense on the perimeter and use the inside game. OU has a chance!!!

Shutting down Mizzou on the perimeter and owning the paint is easier said than done. Not many teams have the guards and inside guys capable of doing both.

I think OU can score on Mizzou in the post, but you're going to have a hell of a time trying to keep Pressey^2 and Dixon from penetrating and sticking with Denmon and English along the three point line.
 
Maybe OU can compete and possibly win against Missouri in Norman. But it'll be tough to keep it close in Columbia.
 
The key to Mizzu is very simple. Slow down. While OU likes to play a little pressure defense, Coach has us ready for this game. Sure easier said than done. They have great Guard play. I had only saw them on TV until yesterday. ODU is kinda off this year but you can penetrate on there guards very easy. They only have one kid in the middle that can be physical. The problem is when you take the quick shot and are not patient. ODU did it most of the game. When they had quick shots Mizzu had the easy 3 look and buried them. Haith came to Mizzu because they where already good. He is not the coach Lon is and I believe coach will have us a good game plan and very good shot to beat them. If the crowds show up to LNC in these games OU can really make some noise....
 
Slowing the game down really has little to do with beating Mizzou.
 
1 -- Baylor
2 -- Missouri
3 -- Kansas
4 -- Kansas State
5 -- Texas
6 -- Oklahoma
7 -- Texas A&M
8 -- Iowa State
9 -- Okie Lite
10 -- Texas Tech
 
9-9 to go 19-11, We get one of the at larger bids to NCAA. I think we go 6-3 at home and 3-6 on the road
 
1) Baylor (14-4)
2) Missouri (13-5)
3) Kansas (13-5)
4) Kansas State (12-6)
5) Oklahoma (9-9)
6) Texas (9-9)
7) Texas A&M (7-11)
8) Iowa State (7-11)
9) Oklahoma State (4-14)
10) Texas Tech (2-16)
 
1) ku (14-4)
2t) kstate (12-6)
2t) baylor(12-6)
4) mu (11-7)
5) ut (10-8)
6t) ou (8-10)
6t) a&m (8-10)
8t) isu (7-11)
8t) osu (7-11)
10) tech (3-15)
 
I picked all the games on the Big 12 tourney generator on notnothing.com.

http://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=mbb

I go there every year. It's pretty cool because you can check out where we would finish given different scenarios at any point in the season.

Here's what I came up with.

1. Baylor (14 - 4)
2. Missouri (13 - 5) Defeated Kansas based on record against #5 teams.
3. Kansas (13 - 5) Lost to Missouri based on record against #5 teams.
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Texas A&M (10 - 8) Defeated Texas based on record against #1 teams.
6. Texas (10 - 8) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 teams.
7. Oklahoma (8 - 10)
8. Oklahoma State (4 - 14) Defeated Iowa State based on record against #4 teams.
9. Iowa State (4 - 14) Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #4 teams.
10. Texas Tech (3 - 15)
 
1. Baylor (15 - 3)
2. Kansas (14 - 4)
3. Missouri (14 - 4)
4. Texas A&M (12 - 6)
5. Kansas State (10 - 8)
6. Oklahoma (9 - 9)
7. Texas (9 - 9)
8. Iowa State (3 - 15)
9. Oklahoma State (2 - 16)
10. Texas Tech (2 - 16)
 
1. Baylor (15 - 3)
2. Missouri (14 - 4) With Kansas, defeated Kansas State based on record against #5 teams. Defeated Kansas based on record against #6 teams.
3. Kansas (14 - 4) With Missouri, defeated Kansas State based on record against #5 teams. Lost to Missouri based on record against #6 teams. Defeated Kansas State based on record against #5 teams.
4. Kansas State (14 - 4) Lost to Kansas and Missouri based on record against #5 teams. Lost to Kansas based on record against #5 teams.
5. Oklahoma (10 - 8)
6. Texas (7 - 11)
7. Oklahoma State (5 - 13)
8. Texas A&M (4 - 14) Defeated Iowa State based on record against #6 teams.
9. Iowa State (4 - 14) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #6 teams.
10. Texas Tech (3 - 15)



Think I may have missed some games in there though. I think Tech probalby only wins one or 2 games, and aTm certainly wins more than 4.
 
I just don't see how we get more than 8 wins in conference. We need to be consistent and tough to even get those eight!
 
I picked all the games on the Big 12 tourney generator on notnothing.com.

http://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=mbb

I go there every year. It's pretty cool because you can check out where we would finish given different scenarios at any point in the season.

Here's what I came up with.

1. Baylor (14 - 4)
2. Missouri (13 - 5) Defeated Kansas based on record against #5 teams.
3. Kansas (13 - 5) Lost to Missouri based on record against #5 teams.
4. Kansas State (11 - 7)
5. Texas A&M (10 - 8) Defeated Texas based on record against #1 teams.
6. Texas (10 - 8) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 teams.
7. Oklahoma (8 - 10)
8. Oklahoma State (4 - 14) Defeated Iowa State based on record against #4 teams.
9. Iowa State (4 - 14) Lost to Oklahoma State based on record against #4 teams.
10. Texas Tech (3 - 15)

I like these.
 
1. Baylor (15 - 3)
2. Missouri (13 - 5)
3. Kansas (13 - 5)
4. Kansas State (12 - 6)
5. Oklahoma (9 - 9)
6. Texas (7 - 11)
7. Oklahoma State (6 - 12)
8. Iowa State (6 - 12)
9. Texas A&M (5 - 13)
10. Texas Tech (4 - 14)
 
Baylor
Missouri
kansas
kansas state
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
 
1) ku (14-4)
2t) kstate (12-6)
2t) baylor(12-6)
4) mu (11-7)
5) ut (10-8)
6t) ou (8-10)
6t) a&m (8-10)
8t) isu (7-11)
8t) osu (7-11)
10) tech (3-15)

change a&m to 3-15, randomly distribute 5 wins among the other teams.
 
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