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2013-2014 college basketball season might be one of the best we have seen in years. Their are a lot of good teams that can win it. Kentucky Louisville Duke UNC Arizona Florida Michigan Michigan State. those teams are loaded with some experience and great freshman. Other teams to not count out VCU Kansas OSU Syracuse Indiana UCLA UCONN.
The freshman that are coming in i think 20 out of 30 1st round NBA picks will be freshman.
Who did i leave out? and who do yall think will make the Final 4?And is this the best class of freshman ever coming in?
 
lets talk about this . this board has been dead the past week or 2 .it is very intersting year coming up but im a high school basketball coach and besides team camps i have a lot of free time.
 
Final Four

- Florida
- Michigan State
- Arizona
- Kentucky

Kentucky probably wins it all. They have 8-9 future first round picks, they're deservedly the favorite
 
Final Four

- Florida
- Michigan State
- Arizona
- Kentucky

Kentucky probably wins it all. They have 8-9 future first round picks, they're deservedly the favorite

Louisville is my pre season number 2 team.Kentucky is #1 cause of the 6 mcdonald AA recruits and the returns of Poythres Wiltjer Cauley Stein.
Zona returns a lot of talent and incoming frosh Gordan and the 6.7ft defense wing top 30 recuit. Florida has tons of returing talent and 2 nice big men they say Flu might be like 06 07 year.Duke is loaded and add Parker and transfer Hood. Ku could be great depending on how Wiggins and other frosh pick it up and Ellis Tharpe can bring leadership.Unc has great experience with a couple big men frosh. Mich state is scary with all the returns they got coming back.Indiana could be a top 10 team if Vonleh is as good as they say and last year fresh pick it up.Mich with 2 nice fresh to take the place of burke hardway jr. Robinson 3 and there big white guy could be a loaded team.
 
lets talk about this . this board has been dead the past week or 2 .it is very intersting year coming up but im a high school basketball coach and besides team camps i have a lot of free time.

what school do you coach at
 
lets talk about this . this board has been dead the past week or 2 .it is very intersting year coming up but im a high school basketball coach and besides team camps i have a lot of free time.

Your efforts to breathe life into an all-but-dead board are greatly appreciated. :clap

Unfortunately, every basketball board I have been on for years is like this when we hit the summer doldrums. Even hoops fanatics like me tend to take a few weeks off to regroup about now. As we get closer to the fall signing period, things will begin to pick up again.

Wish I could contribute to the thread you started. But to be honest I don't pay much attention to what schools outside the Big 12 are doing until just before the season tips off. My guess is that you are fairly close in your assessment of the schools on your list.
 
Your efforts to breathe life into an all-but-dead board are greatly appreciated. :clap

Unfortunately, every basketball board I have been on for years is like this when we hit the summer doldrums. Even hoops fanatics like me tend to take a few weeks off to regroup about now. As we get closer to the fall signing period, things will begin to pick up again.

Wish I could contribute to the thread you started. But to be honest I don't pay much attention to what schools outside the Big 12 are doing until just before the season tips off. My guess is that you are fairly close in your assessment of the schools on your list.

im a die hard sooner fan and just basketball in general. ive been a coach for 30 years. I keep up with all of college basketball and the NBA.
I do understand how people stop talking during the summer but i wish everyone loved the game as much as me so we all could talk more now about it. through November March I wont get to be on here as much cause that is when i am trying to when my 5th state title
 
im a die hard sooner fan and just basketball in general. ive been a coach for 30 years. I keep up with all of college basketball and the NBA.
I do understand how people stop talking during the summer but i wish everyone loved the game as much as me so we all could talk more now about it. through November March I wont get to be on here as much cause that is when i am trying to when my 5th state title

I understand completely, coach. Your job has to come first.

But if you're one of those diehards who is also a night owl of sorts, maybe you can continue to be contribute to our discussions even after the season gets underway. If nothing else, an update on how your team is doing, or any instate recruiting info you can provide would be nice. I'm sure you see high school players with the talent to play at the D-1 level from time to time.

Without a doubt you're one of the best thread starters this board has seen in sometime. It would be a shame if you disappear during the most active period of the year for basketball fan boards like OUHoops.com.
 
I understand completely, coach. Your job has to come first.

But if you're one of those diehards who is also a night owl of sorts, maybe you can continue to be contribute to our discussions even after the season gets underway. If nothing else, an update on how your team is doing, or any instate recruiting info you can provide would be nice. I'm sure you see high school players with the talent to play at the D-1 level from time to time.

Without a doubt you're one of the best thread starters this board has seen in sometime. It would be a shame if you disappear during the most active period of the year for basketball fan boards like OUHoops.com.[/Q

I will still start threads and talk in them as much as i can. It just wont be as much as i can now.Also i coached in the 2012 4a state title game and seen Clark play. Ive watched and coached against Jordan Woodward. I would rate Woodward higher then Clark.
 
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2013-2014 college basketball season might be one of the best we have seen in years. Their are a lot of good teams that can win it. Kentucky Louisville Duke UNC Arizona Florida Michigan Michigan State. those teams are loaded with some experience and great freshman. Other teams to not count out VCU Kansas OSU Syracuse Indiana UCLA UCONN.
The freshman that are coming in i think 20 out of 30 1st round NBA picks will be freshman.
Who did i leave out? and who do yall think will make the Final 4?And is this the best class of freshman ever coming in?

20 are going to go in the first round?

Do you have a few "undervalued sleepers" that are going to bust out and become first round locks?

Because when I look at the freshman class I think there are 7 "one and done" locks (Harrison Twins, Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Gordon and Walker), after that I'm not so sure. Maybe a Kasey Hill, since I've seen some talk that he's actually the best PG, maybe Embid at Kansas makes a huge jump quickly. etc. I'm sure there will be a few lower ranked guys that make a big jump, but 20 freshmen going one and done seems rather high.
 
Ive watched and coached against Jordan Woodward. I would rate Woodward higher then Clark.


That's funny. I respect your opinion as a coach but I'm fairly certain you are in the minority.

It is hard to say a guy who averages 37 ppg 13 apg is not as good as Woodward who averaged 16 ppg 6 apg.

I guess the only difference is 4A vs 6A but I highly doubt Woodward scores 37 ppg 13 apg in 4A.

Both good players out of HS but Stevie is definitely the better offensive player. His height is a little bit of a concern in his transition to college but Woodward isn't exactly a giant. Being 1 or 2 inches taller.

It'll be cool watching both of these young men the next 4 years
 
That's funny. I respect your opinion as a coach but I'm fairly certain you are in the minority.

It is hard to say a guy who averages 37 ppg 13 apg is not as good as Woodward who averaged 16 ppg 6 apg.

I guess the only difference is 4A vs 6A but I highly doubt Woodward scores 37 ppg 13 apg in 4A.

Both good players out of HS but Stevie is definitely the better offensive player. His height is a little bit of a concern in his transition to college but Woodward isn't exactly a giant. Being 1 or 2 inches taller.

It'll be cool watching both of these young men the next 4 years

It is all conjecture. I wonder what Stevie would have scored if he would have had Shaq Morris on the Douglas team. Or how many would have Woodard scored if he were on a team where he was the every possession green light shooter.

My money is on Woodard being the best college player.
 
I'm not saying it's so of Clark -- I haven't a clue -- but some guys are at the best in high school, while other guys come into their own in college. There are still other guys who are good at both of those levels, but they really hit their prime in the pros.

Huge stats in high school don't always reveal what lies ahead for a player in college. Often they do, but sometimes they don't.
 
Woodward was also hurt

Stevie was hurt as well.

I think Clark being on the same team as Woodward for AAU and both of them being the top 2 scorers with Clark scoring twice as much as Woodward while average the same assist #'s is very telling.

Woodward will get a lot more opportunities to play his freshman year as he will most likely start while I don't think Clark will play much more than 10 minutes per game at OSU.

There is pretty good reasons every single recruiting site had Clark rated much higher, Clark has performed very well at national camps, big AAU tournys (some of which Woodward was on the same team), and has better overall stats in HS.

Woodward could very well end up having a better basketball career and college career but I have a hard time taking anyone seriously to sit back and say that Woodward if outright the better player at this point when there is virtually no factual evidence or reasoning behind it.

I have a feeling that if OU had gotten Stevie and Woodward to OSU - we would be hearing on here how Stevie is by far the better player, rated higher, better stats, etc.

Both are great Oklahoma HS players and both should have successful bball careers at their respected colleges
 
It is all conjecture. I wonder what Stevie would have scored if he would have had Shaq Morris on the Douglas team.

Stevie would still average over 30, he would just have a lot more cool looking alley oop assists. A lot of that is because the All City league is down, but most of that is the fact that Stevie Clark is really good at scoring the ball.


Ok, now that I've gotten that trivial statement out of the way let's get into the heart of this.

Stevie Clark vs Jordan Woodard has been a topic I've spent way too much time thinking about since 2011. They both won state titles that year and both emerged as the top point guard prospects in the state. They're both really good players, with only a handful of losses in high school and each have multiple state championship rings.

Stevie Clark had the better high school career. He put up insane numbers. He drew these large crowds that would turn gyms into packed hotboxes on cold winter nights. But for me, high school stats are no way to predict college success.

(This is where I put on my basement blogger hat and say that I've seen both of them play more than 95% of this board, so I obviously know more!)

They're both point guards, but they're different players.

Stevie Clark is a weapon. He has already gone down as one of the best scorers in the history of Oklahoma high school basketball. He's also super competitive, kid works his tail off and I'm sure success is going to come to him at the next level. But I'd be remiss not to point out to that I do worry that his defense could be a weakness as a freshman.

For me, Smart coming back to school was the best thing to happen to Clark. I think he's going to learn a lot from Smartacus that's going to help his game in the long term.

For the short term, it puts Clark into the perfect 6th man role similar to a Jamal Crawford or J.R. Smith. He's going to have a few games where he'll be hot from three, play over 20 minutes, score 15 or more points and generally bring the Rowdy to Gallagher Iba. He'll also have a couple games where he'll miss his first couple threes and he'll see little minutes.

While for Woodard I think his situation is a bit different as he's likely going to have to carry a big load as a freshman. Judging off what I watched last year from Cousins and Hornbeak and all I've seen from Woodard over the past 2 and a half years, Woodard is by far the most natural point guard of the three. I have no clue what improvements Cousins and Hornbeak will make over the summer, but I'd take Woodard right now as a point guard to run a team.

To add to my point that Woodard is likely the option at point guard for 30 minutes a game next season, I think he's a favorite of Lon Kruger.

Woodard was one of the first, if not the first, underclassmen Kruger offered. And he always made Woodard a priority for the next year. Even after Woodard signed, he was still a regular at Edmond Memorial's games. On freaking Valentines Day, he was up in the stands with his wife watching Woodard play. That may be, well it probably is, reading too much into, but I think that it is a good sign that Kruger has big plans for Woodard.

Now your asking yourself, if you're somehow still reading this random meandering message board post, what does this have to do with Woodard's college potential? Well, if you ask nicely I'll tell you.

I think Woodard will win the point guard job next year, because of the previous factors I've mentioned and the fact that he's a good player. Which should be the start of a really good 4 year career.

He'll have a good freshman year, but not good in the manner that all the elite one and dones have spoiled fans into thinking as good. Something like 6-9 points, 3-5 assists, about 2 steals would be a great starting point for his career.

Woodard is a very good all around guard. He knows how to run a half court offense, has good defensive instincts and can score a bit. He has the make up of a kid that can be a great four year building block for a program. He's the type of kid that could have the rep as "the underrated/one of the better defenders" in his conference by talking heads on ESPN as an upperclassmen.

(For any OSU fans still randomly reading this, I'll say Clark's ceiling is a bit higher but in some ways is a little harder to reach. (I think Woodard is a safer bet right now) If he keeps working hard, learns to defend a bit better, run an offense a bit better, etc; I think Clark could score close to 20 points a game on a good NCAA tournament team. He's got the type of game and personality that could make him a popular figure nationally.)

It's kind of a cop out to say that Clark and Woodard are both going to programs that fit them, but I think it's true. And I think fitting players to coaching philosophies is something that a lot of fans over look.

I'll add this one last rambling thought on Woodard.

I'm not sure if I've seen the "real" Jordan Woodard in over a year. Even before the hamstring injury hindered his high school season, I saw a knee injury bother him on the EYBL circuit in 2012. He's had some lingering injuries for a while, that has made it harder to get a read on him. Because one of the things that made a younger Jordan Woodard jump off the page was his explosiveness. For a little guard he used to get a lot dunks when he was healthy.

When Jordan Woodard had that explosiveness, it felt like the decision between him and Clark was closer to a coin flip. I hope we get to see both of them have healthy college careers and this analysis is turned meaningless by on the court play.
 
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