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[DenverSooner]

I think back to high school and realize how fortunate I was not to attend that worthless university. It would be so painfull to face the reality that OU is simply better at everything that matters. Academically OU is notably better. Football isn't even close. In basketball OU has a dominating lead that would be almost impossible to lose during any of our lives.

It would be even worse to have this burning inse unity that made me spend time on OU message boards to defend the honor of my pathetic University. I would spend time misleading people and trying to convince myself and oters that OSU is a traditional basketball power and better than OU. I would be so dellusional that I begin to believ this nonsense even though OU has a commanding lead in the series.

 

[sheepdogs1]

One of these days you're going to let go. Until then we we'll be cloaked in secrecy on how you really feel.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I think back to high school and realize how fortunate I was not to attend that worthless university. It would be so painfull to face the reality that OU is simply better at everything that matters. Academically OU is notably better. Football isn't even close. In basketball OU has a dominating lead that would be almost impossible to lose during any of our lives.

It would be even worse to have this burning inse unity that made me spend time on OU message boards to defend the honor of my pathetic University. I would spend time misleading people and trying to convince myself and oters that OSU is a traditional basketball power and better than OU. I would be so dellusional that I begin to believ this nonsense even though OU has a commanding lead in the series.

I have as much fun as anyone else teasing and jabbing at OSU fans who make fools of themselves and are easy targets. However, I come from a small farming community and many of my friends who are OSU grads made excellent use of their Veterinary degrees and VoAg degrees. They went to the school that was the right place for them, just as I went to the school that was the right place for me.

 

[MI Sooner]

I think back to high school and realize how fortunate I was not to attend that worthless university. It would be so painfull to face the reality that OU is simply better at everything that matters. Academically OU is notably better. Football isn't even close. In basketball OU has a dominating lead that would be almost impossible to lose during any of our lives.

It would be even worse to have this burning inse unity that made me spend time on OU message boards to defend the honor of my pathetic University. I would spend time misleading people and trying to convince myself and oters that OSU is a traditional basketball power and better than OU. I would be so dellusional that I begin to believ this nonsense even though OU has a commanding lead in the series.

Is Texas better than OU in football? They have a decent-sized all time series lead.

 

[inoref]

Is Texas better than OU in football? They have a decent-sized all time series lead.

I dunno of any team that leads all time against texas?? maybe ND

 

[thebigabd]

I have a lot of friends that went to OSU and make fantastic money in the fields of engineering (both computer and mechanical), business, accounting, and medicine (both human and animal).

Hell, the richest person I personally know went to OSU for undergrad and grad. Multi-millionaire. Just dropped $1.5 million cash on a house.

 

[WaymanFan]

Is Texas better than OU in football? They have a decent-sized all time series lead.

NO, and this is precisely why I do not use the head-to-head comparison with OU-OSU in hoops. My reason for believing OU is slightly (yes, it's only slightly) higher in the pecking order of hoops tradition is because in my 40 or so years of following OU, we seem to finish higher in the conference standings on most years. We've also been to more NCAA Tournaments and generally have a history of higher seeds than the Pokes.

OSU certainly has some bragging rights on us as well, most notably more NCAA Tournament victories, and they seem to beat us quite often in the conference tournament. Neither should be discounted; nor should their two National Championships even though they were about 70 years ago. Both schools are in the "20s" for their tradition pecking order. I just feel OU is in the low-mid 20s and OSU in the mid-high 20s.

 

[skyvue]

NO, and this is precisely why I do not use the head-to-head comparison with OU-OSU in hoops. My reason for believing OU is slightly (yes, it's only slightly) higher in the pecking order of hoops tradition is because in my 40 or so years of following OU, we seem to finish higher in the conference standings on most years. We've also been to more NCAA Tournaments and generally have a history of higher seeds than the Pokes.

OSU certainly has some bragging rights on us as well, most notably more NCAA Tournament victories, and they seem to beat us quite often in the conference tournament. Neither should be discounted; nor should their two National Championships even though they were about 70 years ago. Both schools are in the "20s" for their tradition pecking order. I just feel OU is in the low-mid 20s and OSU in the mid-high 20s.

oswho has had two successful coaches in their history -- three if you count Ford. OU has had many more than that.

Very few coaches at oswho even achieved winning records during their history; the majority of OU's coaches did.

A few years ago, I compiled a long list of records and stats comparing the two traditions; OU had many more in their favor than oswho. Waymanfan has basically cited everything oswho has in its favor in his short post above.

 

[CoachTalk]

I have a lot of friends that went to OSU and make fantastic money in the fields of engineering (both computer and mechanical), business, accounting, and medicine (both human and animal).

Hell, the richest person I personally know went to OSU for undergrad and grad. Multi-millionaire. Just dropped $1.5 million cash on a house.

Does he/she need anymore friends?

 

[NMSooner'80]

One reason that I harp on the all-time series is because many OU fans don't even know that OU leads it by 38 games. It also hurts us in recruiting to have the false perception out there that OU isn't as good at basketball as we really are, especially in-state.

 

[thebigabd]

Does he/she need anymore friends?

Not unless you are a DBA or Software Engineer.... or a really good salesperson.

 

[DenverSooner]

A few years ago, I compiled a long list of records and stats comparing the two traditions; OU had many more in their favor than oswho. Waymanfan has basically cited everything oswho has in its favor in his short post above.

Did you create this? (I have had this for a few years and have not updated it)

This is a head to head comparison looking at OU and OSU basketball. It was compiled using Soonersports.com, OkState.com, and Big12Sports.com. The point of this thread is to show just how biased the local media has been in favoring the Oklahoma State basketball program, and to educate both OU and OSU fans alike on how OU's program has a slight edge in tradition.
OU basketball vs. OSU basketball: a statistical analysis since the inception of the Big 8.

The Big 8, as we knew it, came into being for the 1958-59 season. The name "Big 8" wasn't officially adopted until the 1964 season. From 1958-59 through 1964, the conference had been known as the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Oklahoma State was actually in the Missouri Valley Conference from 1928-1958.

So, these statistics are from the 1958-59 season to the last completed season (07-08). The statistics were compiled using a variety of sources, including soonerstats.com, big12sports.com, and okstate.com.

Oklahoma State
Total win/loss record: 779-628, .554
NCAA tournament appearances: 15
Final 4 appearances: 2
Title game appearances: 0
NIT appearances: 5
Conference titles: 2 big 8 (1 shared), 1 big 12
Conference tournament titles: 2 big 8, 2 big 12

Oklahoma
Total win/loss record: 920-540, .630
NCAA tournament appearances: 23
Final 4 appearances: 2
Title game appearances: 1
NIT appearances: 7
Conference titles: 5 big 8, 1 big 12 (shared)
Conference tournament titles: 4 big 8, 3 big 12

Overall head to head since 58-59

Oklahoma 64, Oklahoma State 46

In the 51 seasons (including this year) since OSU joined the Big-8, OU has a better conference record 36 times, OSU 11, 4 the same.

Since the inception of the Big 12 conference, OSU has only finished ahead of OU in the conferences win/loss record one (1) time:
96-97 OU 9-7 OSU 7-9
97-98 OU 11-5 OSU 11-5
98-99 OU 11-5 OSU 10-6
99-00 OU 12-4 OSU 12-4
00-01 OU 12-4 OSU 10-6
01-02 OU 13-3 OSU 10-6
02-03 OU 12-4 OSU 10-6
03-04 OU 8-8 OSU 14-2
04-05 OU 12-4 OSU 11-5
05-06 OU 11-5 OSU 6-10
06-07 OU 6-10 OSU 6-10
07-08 OU 9-7 OSU 7-9
08-09 OU 13-3 OSU 9-7

So, you want to go back all-time? That is fine with me. All-Time Stats:

OU: All Time Record 1,468-936 (.611) OSU: 1452-1018 (.588).
126 Bedlam Wins 89
10 winning coaches 6
21 different All-Americans 17
22 Conference Championships 17
10/11 winning records against the Big 12 5/11
34 1000 point scorers 30
8 Oylmpic Appearences ?
40 NBA Draft Selections 32
26 NCAA appearences 23
32 Total Tournament appearences 31
157 100 point games 39
51 game home win streak 46
OU has spent more weeks in the AP Top 25 poll than OSU.
OU has had more winning seasons than OSU.
OU has a better all time home winning percentage than OSU.
OU has made it to 4 final fours (2 Championship games)

OSU (or Oklahoma A&M as it was called back then) has won two national championships ('45 and '46) in basketball. This is a stat that simply cannot be ignored, and really the main reason why the Cowboys are even in the ballpark with Oklahoma in terms of basketball program comparisons. I will not take anything away from their accomplishments but consider this:

1. These championships happened 62 and 63 years ago. Most of us on this board were not even born when the Cowboys won the championship. Before you bombard me with the 50's football championships, at least we have won one in the new millennium (2000), and, this is about basketball, not football.

2. The road to the winning the championship was a lot less meddlesome back in the old A&M days. The Aggies only had to win three (3) games to be crowned the champion unlike the grueling 6 games of the modern era. That is certainly not the Cowboy's fault, but should at least be mentioned. Four of OSU's six final fours were obtained via this three game system. Note: two of Oklahoma's 4 were also obtained this way. Eight of Oklahoma State's eleven Elite 8 appearances were accomplished by only having to win two games in the tournament! Note: 3 of OU's 8 Elite 8 appearances were won in this fashion.

3. The good old NIT was still a major player during this time. It was an era in which the NCAA was battling for dominance. While it is debatable which tournament ran supreme during these championships, one thing is for sure, not all the good teams were playing in the NCAA tournament. Could that of impacted OSU's two victories? Who knows? But again, worth mentioning.

4. All-American Bob Kurland was a game changing center for the pokes. There was no goal tending back then, so the big 7 footer could just sit back and guard the goal until the cows came home. It was certainly within the rules of the day, but it obviously gave the Cowboys a big advantage that they wouldn't have had a few years later (because of Kurland).

If OSU fans really want to use all of that success from the Iba days as the main basis of claiming superiority over Oklahoma (despite all the facts that I have presented in this comparison) then I think they might be living in the past just a tad! If I were them, then I would certainly want something more recent to hang my hat on in this debate.
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[bgrch1350]

The next mistake Holder makes will be firing Ford the wrong year and making the next coach rebuild.

 

[skyvue]

Did you create this? (I have had this for a few years and have not updated it)

Yes, though there are a couple of typos in there that I'm not willing to claim as mine. Actually, I can't swear that's my original version; someone may have taken it and tweaked it a bit (which is fine by me). But those are the stats I was referring to above.

 

[MsProudSooner]

At one time, there was someone in California that compiled a ton of basketball stats and he updated it on a yearly basis.