OU vs OSU

I think we should remember that we had a bad shooting night. Yet, we had a good play with about twenty seconds left to take the lead. It's just that OSU had a good player make a good play, also, to take the lead back. We didn't do it at the end. A game depends on whether Kay Kay hits a layup.

As I watch the shooting, I notice that when Peyton is off, she is off. She hit the side of the backboard with a three attempt in the fourth quarter. She was wide open. Most of Maddie's three attempts actually get inside the rim before bouncing out. Gioya seems reluctant to take a three.

Derica hasn't done the little things recently. She has made some serious errors that cost us points. Example, we had a five point lead on Iowa State with about twenty seconds left in the first (Time?). Derica made two mistakes, one of which was to foul on a three point attempt--really foolishly. It cost us five points, three with no time on the clock. They tied the score after we had dominated the first quarter. You can't allow non-thinking plays.
 
It doesnt matter if you have a bad shooting night, anytime you leave outside shooters completely open and /or guard them from 4-8 feet away they will hit shots. It's too easy. The defenders were hardly in the same time zone.
 
I'll try to respond. But, my response is somewhat less than enthusiastic or complete. I do now remember that T'Ona played a bit, and they remarked that a 5-5 guard was now on a 5-4 guard.

If you look beyond the box on scoring, Gabbi, Maddie, Peyton, and Gioya were doing pretty well, other than they weren't hitting shots in the second half. Gabbi led us in rebounds. Maddie was second.

At one point, I looked to see why we weren't able to get a defensive rebound. The only players under the basket for OU (inside of Jensen) were Gabbi and Peyton. Where was Kay Kay? Jensen went over Gabbi's back, but Gabbi was so short that they didn't seem to notice that. They did call a foul on the putback on Gioya who had moved in to help. I think Treece was in for Kay Kay at the point, but she was nowhere near the basket.

Look beyond the scoring column. The only reason that we had a chance was that Maddie had three steals, and Peyton and Gioya had two. There were actually more turnovers than that that they caused. Gabbi had seven rebounds, Maddie six, Peyton four. Maddie blocked a couple of shots, but didn't get credit for it. We did get an OSU turnover when they couldn't get a shot off because Maddie had blocked it, and they lost control. Maddie got called for two fouls that were bad calls, as pointed out by the announcers. She blocked the shots cleanly.

Another reason that Gabbi might have been playing was that we needed Gabbi's free throw shooting ability. She is our best from the line, and we were over the limit. We didn't take advantage of it, shooting 61%. But, we also had very few turnovers, and T'Ona does do that.

I can see where Sherri might decide to keep Gabbi on the floor. It might have been better if she had brought in T'Ona rather than Derica when Gioya got gassed.
TT should have been in some of the time when we were running the 1-3-1 trap. She is much better on the back line than Gabbi because of her quickness. This gave OSU some open outside shots because wings had to go all the way to the corner to cover, so either corner was open or swing ball back to the front and they were open there.
But what beat us was we shot poorly, and with the pressure on OSU finished shooting 5 of 6 from 3 point land.
 
S.C. is way over paid, known that for years. I still think something about her that a lot of these young ladies don't like and that reflects on recruiting. I'm sure SC is a good person but over paid for what she brings in.
 
S.C. is way over paid, known that for years. I still think something about her that a lot of these young ladies don't like and that reflects on recruiting. I'm sure SC is a good person but over paid for what she brings in.

+1.
 
Swept by OSU for the first time since?? 1998??
Tough loss. Sherri's trying to find the right mix but there's no variety of skills.
It's clusters of players with the same strength and weakness.
Preseason Sherri thought Manning was going to be All Big 12.
Manning is nowhere near that level night over night. That's a huge problem
in either development or evaluation. take your pick
 
And it doesn't help when we bench our best - by far - 3 point shooter.
Nor our best defender who helps with the posts and get rebounds and steals No reason T'ona shouldn't have started, especially against OSU. We needed help on Martin and Jensen. We needed more rebounds and steals. Maddie can help with point plus I don't have as big a problem with T'ona going to the basket as others. She is learning how to score in the trees. AND she is not the only one who makes mistakes. People are concerned that she doesn't hit free throws, where has the complaints been about our posts for years who couldn't make free throws and got the most foul shots. Of course, Vivi didn't wait to improve on foul shooting She is our best person at the line and she did that after a bad freshman year.

Everyone should shoot 80 foul shots. I mean you shoot those from the time you start playing and there is no reason not to be able to shoot them, even at the high school level.

AND kudos to Vivi for taking the initiative to learn to shoot them.
 
Why in the world would you give your last shot to Williams she might be a nice person but a horrible player. Give it to your best chance. Sherri that person is Carter
Yes, she is a nice kid. You know what else she is? The team's leading scorer, & that's despite playing the 5th most minutes on the team, what w/ the splitting of time w/ ViVi, & missing some time of her own doing w/ early foul troubles in several games. Going to her was not a mistake; she got a decent look. It just didn't go in.
 
There are so many variables that are contributing to the inconsistencies of this team. One thing that may or may not have been discussed (sorry if a repeat)...KWilliams foul trouble. She's averaging about 3.5 fouls/game this season. Therefore, she is constantly having to sit the bench at intervals which causes a shift in chemistry. Now she has been consistent about her fouls...it was about 3.5 for last season as well. That has to have some effect on the game.
 
Left a W laying on the free throw line. God this team is frustrating. Lose twice to an aggot team that is average at best.

Different opinion. They are better than OU. Third in the conference and I expect them to end up third unless W. Va overtakes them. OU is not looking like they will do so.
Their inside game is better than OU'S. Brittany Martin and Jensen are better than any OU players. Not being negative towards OU but speaking truth as it is now. Can ou IMPROVE? Will OSU drop some unexpected games. Time will tell.

Also what does "aggot" mean? Sounds like you are trying to slip in a homophobic remark, if not I apologize, if so, those type remarks should be banned and get a person banned after a warning.
 
Yes, she is a nice kid. You know what else she is? The team's leading scorer, & that's despite playing the 5th most minutes on the team, what w/ the splitting of time w/ ViVi, & missing some time of her own doing w/ early foul troubles in several games. Going to her was not a mistake; she got a decent look. It just didn't go in.

BUT she doesn't seem to be able to play well against the OSU interior. It is relevant who you are going up against and how well you have played in the particular game.
 
Syb, et. al,

I haven't gone through the stats in a long time, but when in the love of the Lord have we had a good shooting night as a team? It seems like everyone is off more than they are on.

For the life of me I can't explain how a team can be good for four or five minutes and then stink it up for 10 or 15 minutes -- and be that way all season.

There is something going on with these girls and I can't really even fathom what it is. Some believe this is the continuation of a problem that has been building for two or three years, certainly since Morgan was a junior. I don't know. All I can tell for sure, as someone who has been involved in determining people's motivations and convincing them to do certain things, is that something is up.

The type of kid Sherri's recruiting -- or not? The program? The practices? The staff? Playing time? Favorites? Religion? Standards? Lack of sex? Too much sex? Not enough drinking? Kind of sex? To0 much drugs? Not enough? Too much school? Burned out? Mad? etc.

It has to be something.

I wish to God we had one Whitney Hand or one Danielle Robinson or Stacey Dales. But we don't, and I'm not sure we are going to have one any time soon.

Sadly, what I'm beginning to believe is that the program is on a downward trend. It's never going to get as bad as it was when Sherri took over, but it never going too be as great again as Sherri once made it.
 
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A final thought...maybe it's just that these girls aren't really that good. A thought I don't subscribe to.
 
Syb, et. al,

I haven't gone through the stats in a long time, but when in the love of the Lord have we had a good shooting night as a team? It seems like everyone is off more than they are on.

For the life of me I can't explain how a team can be good for four or five minutes and then stink it up for 10 or 15 minutes -- and be that way all season.

There is something going on with these girls and I can't really even fathom what it is. Some believe this is the continuation of a problem that has been building for two or three years, certainly since Morgan was a junior. I don't know. All I can tell for sure, as someone who has been involved in determining people's motivations and convincing them to do certain things, is that something is up.

The type of kid Sherri's recruiting -- or not? The program? The practices? The staff? Playing time? Favorites? Religion? Standards?

It has to be something.

Sadly, what I'm beginning to believe is that the program is on a downward trend. It's never going to get as bad as it was when Sherri took over, but it never going too be as great again as Sherri once made it.

Whenever we have a loss, a lot of experts seem to have the answer. Let's see if we can arrive at some perspective.

---the program has been to sixteen straight NCAA tournaments.
---it had been to one prior to Sherri.
---the program is still one of the better programs in the NCAA.
---with people like Rich, Mulkey, Dungee, and Llanusa coming in, improvement is likely.

I admit that I am somewhat disappointed in this team. We lost one player, and I thought we would be a lot better. The loss of Gioya for the early part of the season may have been more staggering than we thought, if only for the inability to develop a chemistry with her not in the lineup. It isn't that I am disappointed in a player as much as with the failure of all to maintain at least the level to which they played last year. I still think they may do it this year. I do see some positives from the Iowa State, WV, OSU games.

No one player has stepped up their game all that much. Vivi has improved. I think Maddie's all-around game has improved dramatically, but her shooting has declined. Gioya is still suffering from an injury. Peyton looks like she did as a freshman at A&M. Gabbi regressed. Last year, she was a sophomore at the end of the year. Then, she won gold and became a freshman again. Sherri keeps saying that Kay Kay gets better every year. I haven't seen any progress this year, especially in key games. It's not bad. It's just not as good as it should be.

Our losses: North Texas by four, A&M by six, Baylor by ten in Waco, OSU by 31 in Stillwater, Texas by seven in Austin, and three to OSU in Norman. Only one was a wipeout, and it was a wipeout. But, we have also won some games. We may well win more.

Right now, I wonder if we won't improve as we integrate Gioya, Peyton, and Maddie together. These seem to be our driving force, the people who can make us go or not. But, they really haven't had the opportunity to work together in the absence of injury that much. Last year, it was Maddie. This year, it was Gioya, although Maddie missed a game. Even with everyone missing shots yesterday, it seems that these three are learning how to make each other threats. They are learning to play off of each other. How often are those long passes from Maddie to Peyton missed? They connect every time, and it gives Peyton time to run down without the ball, too far ahead for them to catch up.

At any time, I expect that Gioya will become healthier, and all three will actually begin to hit shots. If they just improve to somewhere near their performances of last year, this will be a good team. They work together better now.
 
I have perspective, Syb. Other than that, I don't think we have disagreement really. I just don't share what's left of your optimism. I'm not saying this is a bad team or Sherri has become a bad coach.

I just can't quite fathom what is happening. I thought Morgan's senior year quote: to wit, "What more can I do?" seems to be rearing its head.

Remember how that team struggled all year.

As you believe, so do I, that the arrival of Dungee, Mulkey and Llusanna and Rich is likely to do much for the athletics and pure basketball ability for this team.

I wonder if Sherri really has two or three more years in her, or whether Joe can afford to give her that time.

I don't believe you throw a hall of fame coach and a great person like Sherri out the door without time to correct the problems.

However, I feel a trend developing and it isn't a good one.


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I have perspective, Syb. Other than that, I don't think we have disagreement really. I just don't share what's left of your optimism. I'm not saying this is a bad team or Sherri has become a bad coach.

I just can't quite fathom what is happening. I thought Morgan's senior year quote: to wit, "What more can I do?" seems to be rearing its head.

Remember how that team struggled all year.

As you believe, so do I, that the arrival of Dungee, Mulkey and Llusanna and Rich is likely to do much for the athletics and pure basketball ability for this team.

I wonder if Sherri really has two or three more years in her, or whether Joe can afford to give her that time.

I don't believe you throw a hall of fame coach and a great person like Sherri out the door without time to correct the problems.

However, I feel a trend developing and it isn't a good one.


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First, I think the idea that we can get a better coach than Sherri is delusional. We weren't a women's power before her, and we probably won't be after her. She is worth whatever the administration thinks the image of Sherri Coale is worth. I doubt that Boren would hire a Mulkey, no matter how many titles she wins. Wrong image for a university at a time when he is looking to improve OU's image.

Secondly, we have a lot more tools than we had last year. We just haven't had them together for that much yet. Hopefully, they will begin to gel in the last eight games.
 
What is wrong with you? I never said we could get a coach better than Sherri. I'm not sure we can. I never said anything about her salary. I'm not Vinny.


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I think it is possible for us to get a better coach than Sherri but Sherri is more than a coach, she is the face of women's basketball in Oklahoma. She is one of the faces of OU. That is not easily replaceable.

As an aside, my be is Colton wants to ultimately be the head coach at OU.
Sherri will want to help him as much as possible. Not sure if he will have to go somewhere else first and then come back, but I predict it will happen at some point.
 
OU cannot absolutely get a better coach. However, OU can also absolutely get a much worse coach.
See hiring Jeff Capel, then hiring Lon Kruger.

She did a unique job rebuilding OU. The next coach will have a different set of challenges, but eventually there will be a next OU coach.
Under no circumstances should OU hire Colton unless he's gone out on his own somewhere else as a head coach with awesome results.
We have a top shelf professional AD. That person hires coach not the outgoing coach.
 
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