OU vs OSU

[sybarite]

What is wrong with you? I never said we could get a coach better than Sherri. I'm not sure we can. I never said anything about her salary. I'm not Vinny.


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Did I say it was you?

 

[atlantasooner]

Oliver.
The only issue with newcomers as fix will be all the dead weight on the roster.
Huge chemistry issues.
Sherri's this offseason needs to make some hard roster decisions. The talent mix
needs a huge upgrade.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I just had an opportunity to watch the replay of the game. I will admit I was a bit shocked in the postgame interview when Sherri said "our objective was to compete". That's right. She did not say it was to win - just compete. I don't think I have ever heard such a thing out of a coach.

To me that is an absolutely admission she did not believe we were good enough to beat OSU. If the coach believes that how can the players think otherwise.

I disagree with her assessment. I still think we could have easily won the game. They hit 6 threes in the fourth quarter - something they will NEVER do again this year - or probably the next 10 years. We missed free throw after free throw. Obviously we could have won.

Perhaps she was just frustrated out of her mind - like most of us were - and said that because she did not know what else to say.

 

[Mark]

Sherri loves shooting threes. However, we are dead last in the league in 3pt fg %. That's a problem.

We have a roster full of role players but we have no stars. None. That's a problem.

This is why some of us continue to say we have a recruiting problem. Sherri isn't going to fix our problems in practice. She just isn't.

The main reason why we lost because OSU had the best player on the court.

 

[Vinny78]

What is wrong with you? I never said we could get a coach better than Sherri. I'm not sure we can. I never said anything about her salary. I'm not Vinny.


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Haha, we can't get a better coach you and Syb???? There is a better coach in Stoolwater and many better coaches across the country that AREN'T GETTING 1.2 million and DON'T have the resources and facilities OU has. You all are delusional if you think PU
Can't get someone better - we EASILY can

 

[Oliver Hardy]

You didn't say it was me, Syb, but I inferred it was implied.


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[SoonerNorm]

I'm not saying we need a different coach but, Brenda Frese makes less than a mil per year (unless she has been given a recent raise). Along with a national championship, her record is pretty good. They have been in the final four the last two years and they are currently ranked #5 in the country in both polls.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Everyone,

Let's quit discussing salaries. Of course she's overpaid. Almost everyone - except the players - in college athletics is overpaid. The salaries are absurd.

Bob Stoops is overpaid. Lon is overpaid. Joe C is overpaid. And it goes beyond colleges. KD is overpaid, Sam B is overpaid, etc. etc. etc.

And yes, Brenda Freese is overpaid.

They are all overpaid. No one does work as important or as demanding as the typical teacher - but none of them are making a million bucks a year. But salaries are not based on what someone is worth. It is being in the right place at the right time. And sometimes based on a greedy appetite for $$$. And ultimately based on what you can find someone to pay you. If the person(s) paying you have a faulty value system you may get them to pay you an absurd amount.

Sherri is far from the only overpaid person in our society.

 

[sybarite]

Everyone,

Let's quit discussing salaries. Of course she's overpaid. Almost everyone - except the players - in college athletics is overpaid. The salaries are absurd.

Bob Stoops is overpaid. Lon is overpaid. Joe C is overpaid. And it goes beyond colleges. KD is overpaid, Sam B is overpaid, etc. etc. etc.

And yes, Brenda Freese is overpaid.

They are all overpaid. No one does work as important or as demanding as the typical teacher - but none of them are making a million bucks a year. But salaries are not based on what someone is worth. It is being in the right place at the right time. And sometimes based on a greedy appetite for $$$. And ultimately based on what you can find someone to pay you. If the person(s) paying you have a faulty value system you may get them to pay you an absurd amount.

Sherri is far from the only overpaid person in our society.

+1

 

[rocjunkie]

Everyone,

Let's quit discussing salaries. Of course she's overpaid. Almost everyone - except the players - in college athletics is overpaid. The salaries are absurd.

Bob Stoops is overpaid. Lon is overpaid. Joe C is overpaid. And it goes beyond colleges. KD is overpaid, Sam B is overpaid, etc. etc. etc.

And yes, Brenda Freese is overpaid.

They are all overpaid. No one does work as important or as demanding as the typical teacher - but none of them are making a million bucks a year. But salaries are not based on what someone is worth. It is being in the right place at the right time. And sometimes based on a greedy appetite for $$$. And ultimately based on what you can find someone to pay you. If the person(s) paying you have a faulty value system you may get them to pay you an absurd amount.

Sherri is far from the only overpaid person in our society.

One of the best posts I have read in a while, absolutely spot on!!

 

[tycat947]

Everyone,

Let's quit discussing salaries. Of course she's overpaid. Almost everyone - except the players - in college athletics is overpaid. The salaries are absurd.

Bob Stoops is overpaid. Lon is overpaid. Joe C is overpaid. And it goes beyond colleges. KD is overpaid, Sam B is overpaid, etc. etc. etc.

And yes, Brenda Freese is overpaid.

They are all overpaid. No one does work as important or as demanding as the typical teacher - but none of them are making a million bucks a year. But salaries are not based on what someone is worth. It is being in the right place at the right time. And sometimes based on a greedy appetite for $$$. And ultimately based on what you can find someone to pay you. If the person(s) paying you have a faulty value system you may get them to pay you an absurd amount.

Sherri is far from the only overpaid person in our society.

Thank you!

 

[SoonerNorm]

Everyone,

Let's quit discussing salaries. Of course she's overpaid. Almost everyone - except the players - in college athletics is overpaid. The salaries are absurd.

Bob Stoops is overpaid. Lon is overpaid. Joe C is overpaid. And it goes beyond colleges. KD is overpaid, Sam B is overpaid, etc. etc. etc.

And yes, Brenda Freese is overpaid.

They are all overpaid. No one does work as important or as demanding as the typical teacher - but none of them are making a million bucks a year. But salaries are not based on what someone is worth. It is being in the right place at the right time. And sometimes based on a greedy appetite for $$$. And ultimately based on what you can find someone to pay you. If the person(s) paying you have a faulty value system you may get them to pay you an absurd amount.

Sherri is far from the only overpaid person in our society.

Your definition of overpaid is different than what is being discussed. Salaries in this topic are simply comparing the salary of one coach to others who perform at a higher or lower level. No one is suggesting coaches should be paid a million bucks but, if they are, are they performing at the same level as other coaches in that salary range. If we were ranked in the top 7 or 8 in the country and had a decent shot at making another final four, no one would be talking about this. Let Bob Stoops fall down to #20 in the country for a couple of years and see how many football fans start talking about his salary. It happens.

 

[sybarite]

What is OU paying for? What is it that Sherri brings to OU that the administration thinks is worth $1 million? As Sweetest says, almost all entertainers are overpaid, and sports is just entertainment. But, exactly whose values are misplaced and why?

Sherri didn't rob OU at gunpoint. Someone thought she was worth $1 million. Since she hadn't won a national title, that might not have been the reason for the income. Perhaps Joe Castigliano and David Boren value something that Sherri does sufficiently to pay her that much. I haven't heard any rumblings from the administration, only from message boards.

Are your values the same as theirs?

 

[womenssports]

OU cannot absolutely get a better coach. However, OU can also absolutely get a much worse coach.
See hiring Jeff Capel, then hiring Lon Kruger.

She did a unique job rebuilding OU. The next coach will have a different set of challenges, but eventually there will be a next OU coach.
Under no circumstances should OU hire Colton unless he's gone out on his own somewhere else as a head coach with awesome results.
We have a top shelf professional AD. That person hires coach not the outgoing coach.

I never said that Sherri would hire her replacement but that she would do what she could to help Colton and I think her insight into the machinations at OU, as well as her connections will help. Also, figure he will have to coach somewhere else, but maybe not. I do predict he will one day be the OUWBB head coach. Just my prediction.

Obviously we disagree regarding the matter of whether OU can hire a coach who is better than Sherri. I am sure there are many on both sides of this issue and that is okay. Also, I believe it goes without saying that OU can hire a worse coach. That would take no effort whatsoever. Also, Lon Kruger was not a bet on success like Jeff Capel. The thing is Sherri is going nowhere until she wants. The point I was making is there are better coaches out there and that we could hire one with the money we are willing to pay and a decent program to walk into.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

BUT she doesn't seem to be able to play well against the OSU interior. It is relevant who you are going up against and how well you have played in the particular game.

She hadn't played well defensively (& thusly the foul trouble), which, considering OU was going for the game winning hoop at that time, is irrelevant. She had 8 points in all of 14 minutes on the court. That's not the biggest sample size obviously, but if you project that over say, the 30 minutes or so that she's have been around had she not had said foul problems at the other end of the court, she'd have been in the 16-18 point neighborhood for the game. Not Hield territory mind you, but certainly not struggling either.

I'm not in the Sherri is perfect camp that some have tended to be in around here; she's human (as we all are) & has made some mistakes. I just don't believe that going to KK in that situation was one of them. It's like what was pointed out on the call-in show last night; if that shot by Cousins hadn't gone in & LSU won last weekend, Lon would've been crucified by the naysayers for not giving his best player the ball in crunch time, but since it did, LK's John Wooden reincarnate. Sherri went with a play that got one of (if not the) her most dependable scorers on her team a good look at a short shot & since it didn't go in, let the SC roasting commence.

 

[womenssports]

Your definition of overpaid is different than what is being discussed. Salaries in this topic are simply comparing the salary of one coach to others who perform at a higher or lower level. No one is suggesting coaches should be paid a million bucks but, if they are, are they performing at the same level as other coaches in that salary range. If we were ranked in the top 7 or 8 in the country and had a decent shot at making another final four, no one would be talking about this. Let Bob Stoops fall down to #20 in the country for a couple of years and see how many football fans start talking about his salary. It happens.

exactly

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

She hadn't played well defensively (& thusly the foul trouble), which, considering OU was going for the game winning hoop at that time, is irrelevant. She had 8 points in all of 14 minutes on the court. That's not the biggest sample size obviously, but if you project that over say, the 30 minutes or so that she's have been around had she not had said foul problems at the other end of the court, she'd have been in the 16-18 point neighborhood for the game. Not Hield territory mind you, but certainly not struggling either.

I'm not in the Sherri is perfect camp that some have tended to be in around here; she's human (as we all are) & has made some mistakes. I just don't believe that going to KK in that situation was one of them. It's like what was pointed out on the call-in show last night; if that shot by Cousins hadn't gone in & LSU won last weekend, Lon would've been crucified by the naysayers for not giving his best player the ball in crunch time, but since it did, LK's John Wooden reincarnate. Sherri went with a play that got one of (if not the) her most dependable scorers on her team a good look at a short shot & since it didn't go in, let the SC roasting commence.

It would probably be beneficial if you would go back and watch a replay of that last shot. You will see that what happened is KK got the ball on the right side of the lane and started her move. A player who plays down there understands the angle for the shot based on where she starts the move from. However, in this case, In the middle of her move, Jones slams into her very hard and knocks her about 2-3 feet from her position, so when she puts the shot up, it ends up a bit to the left of where it needed to hit the backboard. It is likely a good shot had she not been fouled - again not just a small foul but a very hard rough foul. Had she not been fouled - or if the foul been called, OU would likely have won.

It is interesting that a minute or so before that, if you recall the moment when Little was called for a foul on Jensen, when both crashed to the court under the OSU basket. The announcers showed the replay and pointed out that Little never touched Jensen. What actually happened is Jones (yes, once again Jones) ran into Little - very, very hard - and knocked her several feet sideways and onto the court. Jones committed the foul, Little did not, but Little was charged with the foul.

Jones is a ruffian.

All I ask if anyone thinks those two points are just complaining about bad officiating, go back and look at the plays in slow motion before you speak.

But don't blame KK for this loss unless you are a big enough person to also blame the Officials and Jones. Those are the ones who made errors on the final shot by KK.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

exactly

No, you simply do not understand what it is she is being paid to do.

David Boren and Joe C. do - and they are the ones who get to decide. And they think she brings things to the table that are worth more than what lots of other coaches are bringing to the table.

Think again about the fact that "overpaid" is silly talk. The person paying gets to decide that - and as has been pointed out - many, many people are overpaid in any reasonable evaluation of their worth - except in the minds and value systems of those doing the paying.

If you disagree with her salary you need to admit that both gentleman are failing and need to be fired.

I do not think that by the way.

 

[soonermike22]

1 Part of SC's salary is the image she projects nationally, in and out of basketball, of decency for the team, the coaching staff and the University. She is a great representative.

2 The team is not as good as we hoped. Good players without a great player, and the good players are not yet consistent in their impact on the game.

3 The late game play selection by SC was acceptable. We had been scoring well inside, and a variety of the good plays to selected players gives you the highest percentage chance to score.

4 Second guessing of the coaches choices is ok. Coaches do that to themselves. It is called evaluation. I still would have given TT more playing time.

5 I will be at the game Saturday, cheer just as hard, and I will never blame a player that is trying. I will resent those who do.

 

[O-State2009]

It would probably be beneficial if you would go back and watch a replay of that last shot. You will see that what happened is KK got the ball on the right side of the lane and started her move. A player who plays down there understands the angle for the shot based on where she starts the move from. However, in this case, In the middle of her move, Jones slams into her very hard and knocks her about 2-3 feet from her position, so when she puts the shot up, it ends up a bit to the left of where it needed to hit the backboard. It is likely a good shot had she not been fouled - again not just a small foul but a very hard rough foul. Had she not been fouled - or if the foul been called, OU would likely have won.

It is interesting that a minute or so before that, if you recall the moment when Little was called for a foul on Jensen, when both crashed to the court under the OSU basket. The announcers showed the replay and pointed out that Little never touched Jensen. What actually happened is Jones (yes, once again Jones) ran into Little - very, very hard - and knocked her several feet sideways and onto the court. Jones committed the foul, Little did not, but Little was charged with the foul.

Jones is a ruffian.

All I ask if anyone thinks those two points are just complaining about bad officiating, go back and look at the plays in slow motion before you speak.

But don't blame KK for this loss unless you are a big enough person to also blame the Officials and Jones. Those are the ones who made errors on the final shot by KK.

My question to you: Did YOU go back and watch the game? If so, you need to re-check your facts.

On the last shot, Jones of OSU was guarding Manning at the FT line. Katelyn Loecker was the Cowgirl that ended up guarding Williams. She moved her feet with Williams as she made her move. If you can find "again not just a small foul but a very hard rough foul" on that play then you were watching something else, especially since you said it was on Jones. Loecker and Jones are not easily confused.

And you say a "minute or so before that" in reference to the foul where Jensen was undercut. However, that foul happened early in the 4th quarter (with 7:06 remaining according to the play-by-play). The foul was on Ortiz, not Little as you state. If you watch that play, Ortiz did hit Jensen causing her to fall. There was first contact between Jones & Ortiz (once again, not Little). I don't see a replay angle that shows Jones running into anyone "very very hard".

I have the game saved & have just gone back and re-watched it. Obviously our views are going to differ based on school allegiance. However, I think many of your fellow Oklahoma fans would be able to go back and watch and not see a very hard foul against Williams on the last play. I don't think she was displaced by any contact either.

At the 1:34 mark of the 4th quarter, Oklahoma got a friendly call from Tina Napier. Jensen had tapped an offensive rebound towards the sideline. Patton ran and saved the ball to Jensen in the corner. However, Tina ruled that Patton had come down out of bounds. They reviewed the play and determined that to be the case. But even the Sooner Sports Network commentators thought it would be OSU ball after watching the replay.

And you keep saying OSU hit six 3-pointers in the 4th quarter. They, in fact, only hit six all game; five in the 4th quarter.