Porter MF Moser!!

[WichitaSooner]

Where the heck does he think he’s going to go? He sat for an ENTIRE year. I actually think it’s a bad decision unless he wants to go play small ball again somewhere. PM or no PM.

If he is a solid 3–and-D guy, he can find a landing spot as a role player on a team that has a legitimate coach and a real chance to make the tournament.

 

[Boom Soon]

I’m guessing that seeing the season implode up close shocked him, even though he had three years to judge Moser on before signing. I doubt he is leaving because he thinks he will get a big payday, probably just wants to make the tournament in his last year.

I don't want to speculate but I highly doubt he goes anywhere that will sniff the tournament. He sat for an entire year with a mystery injury. Who's going to take a chance on him?

 

[Boom Soon]

If he is a solid 3–and-D guy, he can find a landing spot as a role player on a team that has a legitimate coach and a real chance to make the tournament.

We can agree to disagree on this one. There will be plenty of role player options for decent teams in the portal who didn’t sit an entire year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I don't want to speculate but I highly doubt he goes anywhere that will sniff the tournament. He sat for an entire year with a mystery injury. Who's going to take a chance on him?

It’s not a mystery. We know EXACTLY what the injury is.

I have no idea what quality schools will take him, but not due to the injury. I simply have no idea how good he is, despite all the people acting as if he and JN would have been difference makers. Like most our transfers this season, he came from a low or mid major team and put up solid but not great numbers. Some schools, like Iowa State, thrive with that kind of player if it’s the right fit.

 

[daqman]

Playing for next year? Almost no one on this roster will be back next year. Moser himself hyped this group by talking about how many seniors there are, and how they desperately want to make the tournament in their final year. Playing for next year would mean you’re giving a lot of playing time to guys like Cole and Atak, not sitting them.

And we have discussed the injured guys at length. Moser is the one who desperately wants them playing this year, and despite what he has said, the players themselves have said they aren’t ready. Jones in particular was very direct about that on Toby’s show last month.

He isn’t playing for next year. He simply put together another bad roster, and is coaching them poorly, as usual. As dumb as he is as a coach, he would have to be the biggest idiot alive to risk throwing away this season for next year, knowing he is already on the hot seat and there might not be a next season.

disagree. it's not a bad roster. it's a roster that should have won 3 more games so far.
at 19-6 we'd be looking pretty good for a tournament bid right now.

 

[WichitaSooner]

disagree. it's not a bad roster. it's a roster that should have won 3 more games so far.
at 19-6 we'd be looking pretty good for a tournament bid right now.

I mean, it’s a roster that a good coach would do much better with, but we have the worst starting center I’ve ever seen, one backup who can’t stop fouling, and another who shouldn’t be a D-1 player. Then we have a collection of guards who were mid and low major players for a reason. We have one NBA player on the roster and a guy who should make a nice living overseas or in the G League. It’s a significant downgrade from the talent Moser squandered last season.

 

[cowboysooner]

Hope jones doesn’t leave. I think he is a good player. He would definitely help this team.

 

[The_Banker]

Hope jones doesn’t leave. I think he is a good player. He would definitely help this team.

Ohhhhh he’s gone. For multiple reasons. 1- Moser gets fired (maybe he stays if you hire someone like Will Wade but probs not). 2- if OU doesn’t buy moser out no way he trusts to use his last season here, unless OU overpaid the market for him, but with our budget and no real info if he can play at this level, then no.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Complaints about Joe fall on deaf ears to those that actually matter. His job is to make money. Winning is just one of the elements related to that principal job. He is unbelievable at making money and is loved by decision makers for it.

except if they would look he really is not good at it ..

basketball ticket sales have gone down millions of dollars a year in the past 4 years ..

he makes incorrect building program choices in all sports .. and has a massive out of control spending athletic dept ..

 

[SoonerBounce13]

except if they would look he really is not good at it ..

basketball ticket sales have gone down millions of dollars a year in the past 4 years ..

he makes incorrect building program choices in all sports .. and has a massive out of control spending athletic dept ..

Yet is one of the few AD to make a profit

 

[cbertus6]

Yet is one of the few AD to make a profit

He has a pretty nice built-in advantage of getting 6-7 sold out football stadiums a year at 85,000 a pop that most other ADs don't. Joe C has NEVER been known as a fundraiser, even when he was considered one of the top ADs in the country. Especially in today's ever changing environment, it's easy for people that were once great at their job to not be able to keep up with the times. Hell we're seeing that in coaching already. Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Nick Saban, etc. These are all guys that left earlier than they likely would've because they didn't want to deal with where collegiate sports have gone. No reason to think that times haven't shifted just as much if not more for ADs. Why is Texas killing it right now? Because they hired Del Conte right before the massive shift and he was ready to pounce. Joe C is a fine AD, but I don't think he'd be confused for being a top-tier one anymore, and it seems that his decision making is declining year after year.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

He has a pretty nice built-in advantage of getting 6-7 sold out football stadiums a year at 85,000 a pop that most other ADs don't. Joe C has NEVER been known as a fundraiser, even when he was considered one of the top ADs in the country. Especially in today's ever changing environment, it's easy for people that were once great at their job to not be able to keep up with the times. Hell we're seeing that in coaching already. Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Nick Saban, etc. These are all guys that left earlier than they likely would've because they didn't want to deal with where collegiate sports have gone. No reason to think that times haven't shifted just as much if not more for ADs. Why is Texas killing it right now? Because they hired Del Conte right before the massive shift and he was ready to pounce. Joe C is a fine AD, but I don't think he'd be confused for being a top-tier one anymore, and it seems that his decision making is declining year after year.

i'm not gonna pretend to be an expert in university fund raising but there are a lot of schools that have more ticket revenue than OU that do not turn a profit.
It does seem that the common flavor of the year critique is "Joe C isn't a good fundraiser" without any proof ever posted to support it.
Facts are that the OU AD turns a profit...one of only a handful of 2 schools to do that in the country.
The fundraising and "times passing him by" are likely very inflated due to bball and football having down years. If both of these hires would have worked out (BV will end up being a good hire) nobody would be saying these things. And it is a bit hypocritical to jump on him for bad hires when the major sentiment at the time of these hires by OU fans was that they were good hires.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Yet is one of the few AD to make a profit

that is not some gold badge every single major athletic dept in the country could turn a profit ..

it doesn't help OU athletics that they don't take student fees (like bama does for instance) or get money from the school budget (like others do) ..

they are designed to spend all most all the money they bring in ..

OU has (for the most part) terrible facilities to show for all the money they are "making"

 

[BoulderSooner]

i'm not gonna pretend to be an expert in university fund raising but there are a lot of schools that have more ticket revenue than OU that do not turn a profit.
It does seem that the common flavor of the year critique is "Joe C isn't a good fundraiser" without any proof ever posted to support it.
Facts are that the OU AD turns a profit...one of only a handful of 2 schools to do that in the country.
The fundraising and "times passing him by" are likely very inflated due to bball and football having down years. If both of these hires would have worked out (BV will end up being a good hire) nobody would be saying these things. And it is a bit hypocritical to jump on him for bad hires when the major sentiment at the time of these hires by OU fans was that they were good hires.

look at the facilities . that is the answer to your ? of Is he a good fundraiser ..

he had NOTHING to do with the LOVES gift to OU softball ..

look at basketball baseball and heck even the football facilities .. he has NEVER been a good fundraiser ..

 

[snydrosooner]

look at the facilities . that is the answer to your ? of Is he a good fund raiser ..

he had NOTHING to do with the LOVES gift to OU softball ..

look at basketball baseball and heck even the football facilities .. he has NEVER been a good fundraiser ..

I think Boren was so involved in asking for money for university in so many aspects, new buildings, grounds keeping, academics, and sports that when he had his fall, people backed off donating. OU was really leveraged with needing donations to pay bills for the special projects that a few no pays would have been crippling

As AD, Joe needs to build that trust up again. If not him then someone new to fund raise.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

look at the facilities . that is the answer to your ? of Is he a good fund raiser ..

he had NOTHING to do with the LOVES gift to OU softball ..

look at basketball baseball and heck even the football facilities .. he has NEVER been a good fundraiser ..

Maybe the softball facilities wasn't a priority to OU? How do you know he didn't help facilitate the love's donation?
The football facilities were just redone not long ago. They are fine.

In order to know if he is a good fundraiser you need to know at least how much OU fundraises. How much does the AD bring in from fund raising and how does that compare to other universities?

 

[skyvue]

I live 1,000+ miles away, but I follow OU sports from afar. There have been constant facility and stadium upgrades. So many that I've often been left scratching my head at times, wondering, "Why is that necessary? They just upgraded that a few years ago."

The facilities arms race is out of control in college sports. Completely out of control. Just one more terrible development that is hurting college sports deeply. Because it's never enough. You can build a new facility (pick one you like) and within 3-4 years, some fans will be insisting it's not good enough because Huxley College has a better one and that's why we didn't sign that amazing five-star recruit Joe Blow, Jr. It's another bottomless sinkhole to throw money into. Throw in absurd coaches' salaries and NIL and it all adds up to sheer madness.

Is the game better because of all this money being spent? Is it more fun now to watch the Sooners now than it was in, say, 30 or 40? I say hell no, it isn't, but the need for more funding continues to grow exponentially. Joe C keeps OU in the black while taking no money from the academic side (you guys remember academics, yes?); meanwhile tosu is $37 million in the red, and Joe C gets labeled a bad fundraiser by a faction of our fans.

If I had my way, there would be a hard cap on what D1 schools could spend on a given sport. It wouldn't be a small number, but it would apply to every program and all would have to stick to it. I can say with certainty that the game(s) we love wouldn't be impacted by scaling things back significantly and it would put an end to this facilities arms race that's currently out of control. It's a total pipe dream, of course.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I live 1,000+ miles away, but I follow OU sports from afar. There have been constant facility and stadium upgrades. So many that I've often been left scratching my head at times, wondering, "Why is that necessary? They just upgraded that a few years ago."

The facilities arms race is out of control in college sports. Completely out of control. Just one more terrible development that is hurting college sports deeply. Because it's never enough. You can build a new facility (pick one you like) and within 3-4 years, some fans will be insisting it's not good enough because Huxley College has a better one and that's why we didn't sign that amazing five-star recruit Joe Blow, Jr. It's another bottomless sinkhole to throw money into. Throw in absurd coaches' salaries and NIL and it all adds up to sheer madness.

Is the game better because of all this money being spent? Is it more fun now to watch the Sooners now than it was in, say, 30 or 40? I say hell no, it isn't, but the need for more funding continues to grow exponentially. Joe C keeps OU in the black while taking no money from the academic side (you guys remember academics, yes?); meanwhile tosu is $37 million in the red, and Joe C gets labeled a bad fundraiser by a faction of our fans.

If I had my way, there would be a hard cap on what D1 schools could spend on a given sport. It wouldn't be a small number, but it would apply to every program and all would have to stick to it. I can say with certainty that the game(s) we love wouldn't be impacted by scaling things back significantly and it would put an end to this facilities arms race that's currently out of control. It's a total pipe dream, of course.

I predict that facilities are going to immediately proceed to a crawl fwiw. It's a job now. They'll work in a shack if they get paid more imo. Do any of you really care with your offices look like?

 

[Seymore Cox]

At what point if your Castiglione do you get offended when the head coach tells announcers like Jimmy Dykes that the NIL is the reason this team sucks?

 

[SunshinePumper]

It's impossible to defend this guy anymore. Unless he wins 4 of the next 5 which aint happening