Porter MF Moser!!

''Only thing I know how to do is continue to teach w/ them, to fight, show a picture, a path. We have a path. It's a hard path, but it's an attainable path & that's the belief. Our belief, confidence is cracked & gotta get it back." - #OU HC Porter Moser

I mean, what else is he supposed to say but it's funny how empty these words are
 
As you all know Joe C plays everything close to the vest but if there is anything concrete I hear I will let you all know.

(trying to look at this objectively, because my subjective thought is different). It is hard to fire a coach who is 16-9 mid-season no matter how bad it looks. If they did I am curious who they would make the interim. I don't think there is a clear-cut choice.
 
''Only thing I know how to do is continue to teach w/ them, to fight, show a picture, a path. We have a path. It's a hard path, but it's an attainable path & that's the belief. Our belief, confidence is cracked & gotta get it back." - #OU HC Porter Moser

I mean, what else is he supposed to say but it's funny how empty these words are
Not mentioned: drawing up good inbounds plays and having a coherent substitution pattern
 
As you all know Joe C plays everything close to the vest but if there is anything concrete I hear I will let you all know.

(trying to look at this objectively, because my subjective thought is different). It is hard to fire a coach who is 16-9 mid-season no matter how bad it looks. If they did I am curious who they would make the interim. I don't think there is a clear-cut choice.
I don’t want him fired this year. No need for chaos. Just fire him after the SEC tournament.
 
''Only thing I know how to do is continue to teach w/ them, to fight, show a picture, a path. We have a path. It's a hard path, but it's an attainable path & that's the belief. Our belief, confidence is cracked & gotta get it back." - #OU HC Porter Moser

I mean, what else is he supposed to say but it's funny how empty these words are
He knows it’s done. We all do.
 
Complaints about Joe fall on deaf ears to those that actually matter. His job is to make money. Winning is just one of the elements related to that principal job. He is unbelievable at making money and is loved by decision makers for it. Some of them may get frustrated with issues related to the university teams, but he is widely considered, within decision making circles here and all around college sports, as the best at his job, i.e. making money and keeping his athletic department in the green. Hell, last year the football program make about $25million less due to the early exit and the athletic department still made almost $3million profit. Ohio State's athletic department lost $37million during the same period.

The last three years have been game changing and tumultuous to say the least. No playbook existed for what has happened and every athletic department was facing a myriad of unknown factors related to the very survivability of college sports. Joe has kept us in the green and while he and the university (and all colleges) try and figure out where college sports is going. Personally, I like the BV hire and think it is going to work out in the long run. I want Joe to have patience with the process we are going through. I think reasonable people can disagree with this opinion. We will see how that works out.

As for Porter Moser, I had never heard of him when he was hired. It seemed like a good hire on its face. Again, just my opinion, he has done well enough under the circumstances to warrant patience. I believe 5 years is fair. Again, I think reasonable folks could disagree with this opinion and it would seem reading this board, most folks do. I don't know if he will but hope Joe gives him another year. It is my guess that he will. This being said, if Joe moves to replace Porter, that is fine with me as he isn't my kind of coach in a lot of ways. But, most coaches aren't my kind of coach. I found out a long time ago, I was going to have to follow OU playing and being coached in a way that isn't the way I would hope they would be. I just want the coaches to treat the players right, manage the players correctly, and be generally successful (relatively due to inherent problems with the program). Like most I look at the bottom line related to that last issue, but out of the thousands of possessions that occurred over the last 3 and 1/2 years, if you change the result on 10-15 possessions, OU has been to the NCAA twice in 3 years and would be in the tournament this year. I just don't agree that over a short span, those 10-15 possessions, not going our way, take Porter from being highly successful to a failure.

I agree with Dayton's dad that if a school wants to change their program, the easiest method it to up its commitment on NIL and get better players before deciding whether their coach is a failure. Toby Rowland said the other day on his radio show that OU has spent about $3million on basketball this year and when we played Missouri, we were playing a team with a payroll of $6million. When we played Arkansas, we were playing a team with a $12million payroll. It will be interesting to say the least on how Joe handles the Moser situation. The negativity around the program is strong, but Joe has a history of following his own judgment and not swaying with the winds of public opinion. You have to wonder what he really thinks about the prospects of Porter succeeding. My guess is this will drive the decision -- that, and money.
 
Complaints about Joe fall on deaf ears to those that actually matter. His job is to make money. Winning is just one of the elements related to that principal job. He is unbelievable at making money and is loved by decision makers for it. Some of them may get frustrated with issues related to the university teams, but he is widely considered, within decision making circles here and all around college sports, as the best at his job, i.e. making money and keeping his athletic department in the green. Hell, last year the football program make about $25million less due to the early exit and the athletic department still made almost $3million profit. Ohio State's athletic department lost $37million during the same period.

The last three years have been game changing and tumultuous to say the least. No playbook existed for what has happened and every athletic department was facing a myriad of unknown factors related to the very survivability of college sports. Joe has kept us in the green and while he and the university (and all colleges) try and figure out where college sports is going. Personally, I like the BV hire and think it is going to work out in the long run. I want Joe to have patience with the process we are going through. I think reasonable people can disagree with this opinion. We will see how that works out.

As for Porter Moser, I had never heard of him when he was hired. It seemed like a good hire on its face. Again, just my opinion, he has done well enough under the circumstances to warrant patience. I believe 5 years is fair. Again, I think reasonable folks could disagree with this opinion and it would seem reading this board, most folks do. I don't know if he will but hope Joe gives him another year. It is my guess that he will. This being said, if Joe moves to replace Porter, that is fine with me as he isn't my kind of coach in a lot of ways. But, most coaches aren't my kind of coach. I found out a long time ago, I was going to have to follow OU playing and being coached in a way that isn't the way I would hope they would be. I just want the coaches to treat the players right, manage the players correctly, and be generally successful (relatively due to inherent problems with the program). Like most I look at the bottom line related to that last issue, but out of the thousands of possessions that occurred over the last 3 and 1/2 years, if you change the result on 10-15 possessions, OU has been to the NCAA twice in 3 years and would be in the tournament this year. I just don't agree that over a short span, those 10-15 possessions, not going our way, take Porter from being highly successful to a failure.

I agree with Dayton's dad that if a school wants to change their program, the easiest method it to up its commitment on NIL and get better players before deciding whether their coach is a failure. Toby Rowland said the other day on his radio show that OU has spent about $3million on basketball this year and when we played Missouri, we were playing a team with a payroll of $6million. When we played Arkansas, we were playing a team with a $12million payroll. It will be interesting to say the least on how Joe handles the Moser situation. The negativity around the program is strong, but Joe has a history of following his own judgment and not swaying with the winds of public opinion. You have to wonder what he really thinks about the prospects of Porter succeeding. My guess is this will drive the decision -- that, and money.
Patience??? I can’t believe we’ve stuck out this embarrassing situation as long as we have. I would advocate for patience too if he had earned it, but he hasn’t. His teams play stupid, they’re unprepared, he has no coherent offense or substitution pattern, AND WE STRUGGLE TO EVEN INBOUND THE BALL. He has had multiple players leave, go to places where the coaching is good, and excel. If he was an excellent coach who just doesn’t have the horses he could get a pass, but this is OU, not SWOSU.
 
BTW, I have expressed on this board several times that I think Porter is going to be given another year. This is mainly because some of the decisions Porter is making related to his roster clearly indicate he is "playing" for next year and not this year. But, if this isn't true, then he is clearly delusional. Wague is not only his best center, but his only center. Taylor is not just his best defensive player, but about the only decent one he has. Fears has great potential and has a moments when he is special, but shouldn't be playing when he is in a funk just for development sake (which could be the only answer to his being on the court sometimes). Development for "who", Fears is going to be in the NBA next year. We won several one possession games earlier this year against good opponents when Fears was getting minutes off the bench and we were playing Kobe Elvis at the point. Porter has let Fears literally play us out of 4-5 games. Fears is going to be great, but he is wildly inconsistent. He is like the kid that can hit a drive 400 yards but most of the time can't break 85. He has won us a couple games and almost single handily lost us 4-5. Dayton is far more ready to play consistently than Fears, and he will be here next year. I get it, Fear's upside is intoxicating. But, OU doesn't play basketball to give Fears a showcase regardless of how he plays, we are supposed to be playing to win (unless he knows he is getting Fears next year and getting him ready for that). He redshirted Atack and he would be playing if not in a redshirt. He has had Jones and Knowkwo available for over a month and is saving them -- for what. Again, he is making a decision to build for next year and not thinking of only this year. If he was and he thought his job was on the line, he would be playing everyone he has this year, just to give him the best chance to be the coach next year. He would worry about next year after this season.

It just seems to me Porter must have assurances that he will be here next year, or it really becomes hard to understand some of his decisions. Winning is about performance not potential (coaching decisions based on potential and not performance are only made by good coaches when they are thinking of the future and not the present, or by bad coaches.). I have been assuming Porter is in the latter category. But, maybe I'm wrong.
 
BTW, I have expressed on this board several times that I think Porter is going to be given another year. This is mainly because some of the decisions Porter is making related to his roster clearly indicate he is "playing" for next year and not this year. But, if this isn't true, then he is clearly delusional. Wague is not only his best center, but his only center. Taylor is not just his best defensive player, but about the only decent one he has. Fears has great potential and has a moments when he is special, but shouldn't be playing when he is in a funk just for development sake (which could be the only answer to his being on the court sometimes). Development for "who", Fears is going to be in the NBA next year. We won several one possession games earlier this year against good opponents when Fears was getting minutes off the bench and we were playing Kobe Elvis at the point. Porter has let Fears literally play us out of 4-5 games. Fears is going to be great, but he is wildly inconsistent. He is like the kid that can hit a drive 400 yards but most of the time can't break 85. He has won us a couple games and almost single handily lost us 4-5. Dayton is far more ready to play consistently than Fears, and he will be here next year. I get it, Fear's upside is intoxicating. But, OU doesn't play basketball to give Fears a showcase regardless of how he plays, we are supposed to be playing to win (unless he knows he is getting Fears next year and getting him ready for that). He redshirted Atack and he would be playing if not in a redshirt. He has had Jones and Knowkwo available for over a month and is saving them -- for what. Again, he is making a decision to build for next year and not thinking of only this year. If he was and he thought his job was on the line, he would be playing everyone he has this year, just to give him the best chance to be the coach next year. He would worry about next year after this season.

It just seems to me Porter must have assurances that he will be here next year, or it really becomes hard to understand some of his decisions. Winning is about performance not potential (coaching decisions based on potential and not performance are only made by good coaches when they are thinking of the future and not the present, or by bad coaches.). I have been assuming Porter is in the latter category. But, maybe I'm wrong.
Everybody, EVERYBODY, knew coming into this year that PM was coaching to save his job. If he was looking ahead to next year then he’s stupider than we all thought.
 
BTW, I have expressed on this board several times that I think Porter is going to be given another year. This is mainly because some of the decisions Porter is making related to his roster clearly indicate he is "playing" for next year and not this year. But, if this isn't true, then he is clearly delusional. Wague is not only his best center, but his only center. Taylor is not just his best defensive player, but about the only decent one he has. Fears has great potential and has a moments when he is special, but shouldn't be playing when he is in a funk just for development sake (which could be the only answer to his being on the court sometimes). Development for "who", Fears is going to be in the NBA next year. We won several one possession games earlier this year against good opponents when Fears was getting minutes off the bench and we were playing Kobe Elvis at the point. Porter has let Fears literally play us out of 4-5 games. Fears is going to be great, but he is wildly inconsistent. He is like the kid that can hit a drive 400 yards but most of the time can't break 85. He has won us a couple games and almost single handily lost us 4-5. Dayton is far more ready to play consistently than Fears, and he will be here next year. I get it, Fear's upside is intoxicating. But, OU doesn't play basketball to give Fears a showcase regardless of how he plays, we are supposed to be playing to win (unless he knows he is getting Fears next year and getting him ready for that). He redshirted Atack and he would be playing if not in a redshirt. He has had Jones and Knowkwo available for over a month and is saving them -- for what. Again, he is making a decision to build for next year and not thinking of only this year. If he was and he thought his job was on the line, he would be playing everyone he has this year, just to give him the best chance to be the coach next year. He would worry about next year after this season.

It just seems to me Porter must have assurances that he will be here next year, or it really becomes hard to understand some of his decisions. Winning is about performance not potential (coaching decisions based on potential and not performance are only made by good coaches when they are thinking of the future and not the present, or by bad coaches.). I have been assuming Porter is in the latter category. But, maybe I'm wrong.
I praise your optimism but I think most of this is wrong.

Atak is skinny as a rail. He has a lot of development before he's ready. He might not even play next year yet (depends on our roster).

Your short selling fears. Over valuing Forsyth and I like Forsyth.

Jones and nwako imo made their own decision to not spend their likely last year on a half season. I doubt pm is "saving" them. Plus we are loosing Moore, for better or worse given his last game's exploits. pm would push in his chips if he could have bc imo he doesn't want to be here either And would rather get a new job. I believe he wants to be back in chicago/midwest. If he misses the tourney 4 years in a row, which hasn't happened in my lifetime, his stock takes a big dive.
 
I praise your optimism but I think most of this is wrong.

Atak is skinny as a rail. He has a lot of development before he's ready. He might not even play next year yet (depends on our roster).

Your short selling fears. Over valuing Forsyth and I like Forsyth.

Jones and nwako imo made their own decision to not spend their likely last year on a half season. I doubt pm is "saving" them. Plus we are loosing Moore, for better or worse given his last game's exploits. pm would push in his chips if he could have bc imo he doesn't want to be here either And would rather get a new job. I believe he wants to be back in chicago/midwest. If he misses the tourney 4 years in a row, which hasn't happened in my lifetime, his stock takes a big dive.
Also, when Kobe Elvis was playing, the competition was weak to say the least. Not a fair comparison.
 
BTW, I have expressed on this board several times that I think Porter is going to be given another year. This is mainly because some of the decisions Porter is making related to his roster clearly indicate he is "playing" for next year and not this year. But, if this isn't true, then he is clearly delusional. Wague is not only his best center, but his only center. Taylor is not just his best defensive player, but about the only decent one he has. Fears has great potential and has a moments when he is special, but shouldn't be playing when he is in a funk just for development sake (which could be the only answer to his being on the court sometimes). Development for "who", Fears is going to be in the NBA next year. We won several one possession games earlier this year against good opponents when Fears was getting minutes off the bench and we were playing Kobe Elvis at the point. Porter has let Fears literally play us out of 4-5 games. Fears is going to be great, but he is wildly inconsistent. He is like the kid that can hit a drive 400 yards but most of the time can't break 85. He has won us a couple games and almost single handily lost us 4-5. Dayton is far more ready to play consistently than Fears, and he will be here next year. I get it, Fear's upside is intoxicating. But, OU doesn't play basketball to give Fears a showcase regardless of how he plays, we are supposed to be playing to win (unless he knows he is getting Fears next year and getting him ready for that). He redshirted Atack and he would be playing if not in a redshirt. He has had Jones and Knowkwo available for over a month and is saving them -- for what. Again, he is making a decision to build for next year and not thinking of only this year. If he was and he thought his job was on the line, he would be playing everyone he has this year, just to give him the best chance to be the coach next year. He would worry about next year after this season.

It just seems to me Porter must have assurances that he will be here next year, or it really becomes hard to understand some of his decisions. Winning is about performance not potential (coaching decisions based on potential and not performance are only made by good coaches when they are thinking of the future and not the present, or by bad coaches.). I have been assuming Porter is in the latter category. But, maybe I'm wrong.
Playing for next year? Almost no one on this roster will be back next year. Moser himself hyped this group by talking about how many seniors there are, and how they desperately want to make the tournament in their final year. Playing for next year would mean you’re giving a lot of playing time to guys like Cole and Atak, not sitting them.

And we have discussed the injured guys at length. Moser is the one who desperately wants them playing this year, and despite what he has said, the players themselves have said they aren’t ready. Jones in particular was very direct about that on Toby’s show last month.

He isn’t playing for next year. He simply put together another bad roster, and is coaching them poorly, as usual. As dumb as he is as a coach, he would have to be the biggest idiot alive to risk throwing away this season for next year, knowing he is already on the hot seat and there might not be a next season.
 
BTW, I have expressed on this board several times that I think Porter is going to be given another year. This is mainly because some of the decisions Porter is making related to his roster clearly indicate he is "playing" for next year and not this year. But, if this isn't true, then he is clearly delusional. Wague is not only his best center, but his only center. Taylor is not just his best defensive player, but about the only decent one he has. Fears has great potential and has a moments when he is special, but shouldn't be playing when he is in a funk just for development sake (which could be the only answer to his being on the court sometimes). Development for "who", Fears is going to be in the NBA next year. We won several one possession games earlier this year against good opponents when Fears was getting minutes off the bench and we were playing Kobe Elvis at the point. Porter has let Fears literally play us out of 4-5 games. Fears is going to be great, but he is wildly inconsistent. He is like the kid that can hit a drive 400 yards but most of the time can't break 85. He has won us a couple games and almost single handily lost us 4-5. Dayton is far more ready to play consistently than Fears, and he will be here next year. I get it, Fear's upside is intoxicating. But, OU doesn't play basketball to give Fears a showcase regardless of how he plays, we are supposed to be playing to win (unless he knows he is getting Fears next year and getting him ready for that). He redshirted Atack and he would be playing if not in a redshirt. He has had Jones and Knowkwo available for over a month and is saving them -- for what. Again, he is making a decision to build for next year and not thinking of only this year. If he was and he thought his job was on the line, he would be playing everyone he has this year, just to give him the best chance to be the coach next year. He would worry about next year after this season.

It just seems to me Porter must have assurances that he will be here next year, or it really becomes hard to understand some of his decisions. Winning is about performance not potential (coaching decisions based on potential and not performance are only made by good coaches when they are thinking of the future and not the present, or by bad coaches.). I have been assuming Porter is in the latter category. But, maybe I'm wrong.
Wow this is a lot of takes and I don't think you are right but I'm not positive Moser will be gone either.

I just have one question, if Moser is the coach next year, if you think attendance is bad now who do you think is going to show up next year? Not me. And Joe C may just have enough arrogance about the fans that he thinks he can make the decision with no repercussions. It's called forgetting who your customer is. And as small as our fan base attendance is, when you give the guy who's never taken them to the tourney a raise one year and you retain him again the next year after 4 years of failure, even the most loyal fans will reach their limit, and realize Joe C's expectations for the program and our expectations are worlds apart.
 
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Cuz pm sucks? Why did he come here then? He needs to pay back his money
I’m guessing that seeing the season implode up close shocked him, even though he had three years to judge Moser on before signing. I doubt he is leaving because he thinks he will get a big payday, probably just wants to make the tournament in his last year.
 
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