Porter MF Moser!!

If your friend is right, this is damning. Never in a million years did I think our athletic dept was that low on funds and resources that we couldn't afford a 6 million buck buyout on a guy that needs to be relieved - for our sake and his. To be this frugal in a league like the SEC is not sustainable. The apparent inability to pay buyouts (BV, Porter etc.), improve facilities and offer competitive NIL to other sports outside of football and softball is proof we're not in a good spot.

Also, the loss of guys like Toby Keith is bigger than many really knew. Not only a great fan and all around dude, he was one of the more ardent financial supporters of hoops and football (fortune was worth half a billion at death). Considering we're low on big money donors as it is, losing his level of generosity is tangible as he would've been all in on the NIL era.
Texas has 10x the available BMDs that we have, at least. As such, a lot of ours have "donors fatigue" as it stands and little to show for it by on field/court results
 
If the Joe’s are making this hire, Will Wade will be nowhere near the job. That’s a fact.
Another reason why they shouldn’t be anywhere near the hiring process. They should be fired as well. The game has changed and they don’t know how to compete in this new era. Dinosaurs. All Boren people should be purged from the university.
 
Another reason why they shouldn’t be anywhere near the hiring process. They should be fired as well. The game has changed and they don’t know how to compete in this new era. Dinosaurs. All Boren people should be purged from the university.
This we can agree on.
 
If the Joe’s are making this hire, Will Wade will be nowhere near the job. That’s a fact.
100 percent true. Will Wade is not an OU type of guy. Too sleezy.

Also, his success is predicated on getting better athletes than the rest of the teams in the Southland? Do you think that’s a recipe for success at OU.

Porter Moser is a one trick pony. We don’t need another one.
 
Everyone has the right to an opinion on Moser. But, those that believe or seem to think that he is the principal issue with the OU basketball program are misinformed.

We have a ton of issues confronting OU athletics generally and particularly our basketball program. And, they those same issues are negatively effecting every college athletics program in Oklahoma.

First, the proliferation of television. While the expense of going to games has skyrocketed, the ability to watch virtually every game for free on TV has arrived. In Oklahoma, wages for working people haven't risen much, if at all, in the last 30 years. Where a working man could afford to take he and his kids to games a few times a year, now with the ability to watch the games for free, he is now priced out of this.

Second, the introduction of Indian gaming has had a direct and catastrophic impact on attendance of all sporting events. Again, what little disposable income working people have they are throwing in slot machines and then don't have it to spend on tickets.

Third, and as was widely feared, the introduction of the Thunder to OKC, has decimated season ticket sales to both OSU and OU men's and women's basketball teams. The financial commitment to be a season ticket holder to the Thunder is crazy, and many people have shifted their entertainment dollars to the Thunder and had to drop season tickets to the University programs.

Fourth, there is the cost. The price of attending games has just left most people out of an ability to attend games -- financially.

Fifth, as as to OU basketball, the gym is the worst venue to watch a game in in America. I know some disagree with this, but many, like me, find it unbearable. But, I still make myself go a few time each year just to support the team. This being said, I don't believe the university should go into debt to build a gym. If we don't have the money to build a new gym, then we don't and IMO we should just make due with what we have.

Sixth, and now to add to the above, there is the NIL/Portal issue. There is absolutely no economic sense to funding NIL for donors. Unless they have play money and just want to spend it on something, fine. I have absolutely no idea if we have people like this, or what our resources are. But, throwing away money and never recouping it someway, is normally not a sustainable thing.

Seventh, there is no mass transit option to go to games. Thus, you can't drink if you attend, because of the post game driving aspect of attending. This is my biggest concern with a gym on the north campus.

Eighth, game times to accommodate TV, make attendance too expensive and hard to justify attending. People from all over Oklahoma like to attend OU events but are basically shut out of late night games and early morning games due to driving times and/or the need to make it an expensive weekend with a hotel stay.

And, then there is coaching. It certainly has a lot to do with winning and success. But, it is just one of many factors related to success.

If you really want to create a lasting successful basketball program, there is a lot of things to address and not just coaching. Frankly, in a small population state like oklahoma, it might not even be possible in the absence of an enormous financial commitment that overpowers the can solve and/or overcome some of the hurdles above.
 
Everyone has the right to an opinion on Moser. But, those that believe or seem to think that he is the principal issue with the OU basketball program are misinformed.

We have a ton of issues confronting OU athletics generally and particularly our basketball program. And, they those same issues are negatively effecting every college athletics program in Oklahoma.

First, the proliferation of television. While the expense of going to games has skyrocketed, the ability to watch virtually every game for free on TV has arrived. In Oklahoma, wages for working people haven't risen much, if at all, in the last 30 years. Where a working man could afford to take he and his kids to games a few times a year, now with the ability to watch the games for free, he is now priced out of this.

Second, the introduction of Indian gaming has had a direct and catastrophic impact on attendance of all sporting events. Again, what little disposable income working people have they are throwing in slot machines and then don't have it to spend on tickets.

Third, and as was widely feared, the introduction of the Thunder to OKC, has decimated season ticket sales to both OSU and OU men's and women's basketball teams. The financial commitment to be a season ticket holder to the Thunder is crazy, and many people have shifted their entertainment dollars to the Thunder and had to drop season tickets to the University programs.

Fourth, there is the cost. The price of attending games has just left most people out of an ability to attend games -- financially.

Fifth, as as to OU basketball, the gym is the worst venue to watch a game in in America. I know some disagree with this, but many, like me, find it unbearable. But, I still make myself go a few time each year just to support the team. This being said, I don't believe the university should go into debt to build a gym. If we don't have the money to build a new gym, then we don't and IMO we should just make due with what we have.

Sixth, and now to add to the above, there is the NIL/Portal issue. There is absolutely no economic sense to funding NIL for donors. Unless they have play money and just want to spend it on something, fine. I have absolutely no idea if we have people like this, or what our resources are. But, throwing away money and never recouping it someway, is normally not a sustainable thing.

Seventh, there is no mass transit option to go to games. Thus, you can't drink if you attend, because of the post game driving aspect of attending. This is my biggest concern with a gym on the north campus.

Eighth, game times to accommodate TV, make attendance too expensive and hard to justify attending. People from all over Oklahoma like to attend OU events but are basically shut out of late night games and early morning games due to driving times and/or the need to make it an expensive weekend with a hotel stay.

And, then there is coaching. It certainly has a lot to do with winning and success. But, it is just one of many factors related to success.

If you really want to create a lasting successful basketball program, there is a lot of things to address and not just coaching. Frankly, in a small population state like oklahoma, it might not even be possible in the absence of an enormous financial commitment that overpowers the can solve and/or overcome some of the hurdles above.
Hi Porter!

This is why I posted the other day that we have a few posters who will never just admit they were wrong and that the man isn't a good coach. Some of this is amazing. My God, we are pointing to Indian gaming, mass transit, and game times? Fun fact -- the drive between OKC and Norman is half as far as the drive most KU fans make from the KC area, and about the same distance as the drive from Topeka. Lots of fans drive two hours from Wichita. And in bigger cities, people may have to drive 30 minutes or more even if they live in the same town as the school.

As for cost -- you can find tickets for under $10 for almost every OU game on StubHub. They may even pay you to attend the noncon games.
 
Everyone has the right to an opinion on Moser. But, those that believe or seem to think that he is the principal issue with the OU basketball program are misinformed.

We have a ton of issues confronting OU athletics generally and particularly our basketball program. And, they those same issues are negatively effecting every college athletics program in Oklahoma.

First, the proliferation of television. While the expense of going to games has skyrocketed, the ability to watch virtually every game for free on TV has arrived. In Oklahoma, wages for working people haven't risen much, if at all, in the last 30 years. Where a working man could afford to take he and his kids to games a few times a year, now with the ability to watch the games for free, he is now priced out of this.

Second, the introduction of Indian gaming has had a direct and catastrophic impact on attendance of all sporting events. Again, what little disposable income working people have they are throwing in slot machines and then don't have it to spend on tickets.

Third, and as was widely feared, the introduction of the Thunder to OKC, has decimated season ticket sales to both OSU and OU men's and women's basketball teams. The financial commitment to be a season ticket holder to the Thunder is crazy, and many people have shifted their entertainment dollars to the Thunder and had to drop season tickets to the University programs.

Fourth, there is the cost. The price of attending games has just left most people out of an ability to attend games -- financially.

Fifth, as as to OU basketball, the gym is the worst venue to watch a game in in America. I know some disagree with this, but many, like me, find it unbearable. But, I still make myself go a few time each year just to support the team. This being said, I don't believe the university should go into debt to build a gym. If we don't have the money to build a new gym, then we don't and IMO we should just make due with what we have.

Sixth, and now to add to the above, there is the NIL/Portal issue. There is absolutely no economic sense to funding NIL for donors. Unless they have play money and just want to spend it on something, fine. I have absolutely no idea if we have people like this, or what our resources are. But, throwing away money and never recouping it someway, is normally not a sustainable thing.

Seventh, there is no mass transit option to go to games. Thus, you can't drink if you attend, because of the post game driving aspect of attending. This is my biggest concern with a gym on the north campus.

Eighth, game times to accommodate TV, make attendance too expensive and hard to justify attending. People from all over Oklahoma like to attend OU events but are basically shut out of late night games and early morning games due to driving times and/or the need to make it an expensive weekend with a hotel stay.

And, then there is coaching. It certainly has a lot to do with winning and success. But, it is just one of many factors related to success.

If you really want to create a lasting successful basketball program, there is a lot of things to address and not just coaching. Frankly, in a small population state like oklahoma, it might not even be possible in the absence of an enormous financial commitment that overpowers the can solve and/or overcome some of the hurdles above.
To your 1st and 4th point, tickets to get in vs vandy were $4 dollars.. Tickets to get in the door Saturday are $3 dollars and $8 dollars to sit in the second level center court. Ticket pricing is not an issue.

7th point, get an Uber... not enough fans go currently for it to actually be pricy and if the fans do go it still wouldn't be bad. Nobody has mass transit.

8th point TV literally pays the bills, they played at 11 last Saturday, 4 this Saturday. Heck i live an hour and a half away and have went to many 8 oclock games, and gotten home by midnight. If there's a good product on the court people don't care.

It all comes down to the university not properly funding the basketball program, and fans having lost faith in moser/the product being put on the court.

And the statement about "these things are negatively affecting every college athletics program in the Oklahoma" is not correct. For reference Oklahoma State had almost 11k fans at there wrestling dual against Missouri, and are averaging 7.5k this season. Put a winning product out and people will come.
 
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Everyone has the right to an opinion on Moser. But, those that believe or seem to think that he is the principal issue with the OU basketball program are misinformed.

We have a ton of issues confronting OU athletics generally and particularly our basketball program. And, they those same issues are negatively effecting every college athletics program in Oklahoma.

First, the proliferation of television. While the expense of going to games has skyrocketed, the ability to watch virtually every game for free on TV has arrived. In Oklahoma, wages for working people haven't risen much, if at all, in the last 30 years. Where a working man could afford to take he and his kids to games a few times a year, now with the ability to watch the games for free, he is now priced out of this.

Second, the introduction of Indian gaming has had a direct and catastrophic impact on attendance of all sporting events. Again, what little disposable income working people have they are throwing in slot machines and then don't have it to spend on tickets.

Third, and as was widely feared, the introduction of the Thunder to OKC, has decimated season ticket sales to both OSU and OU men's and women's basketball teams. The financial commitment to be a season ticket holder to the Thunder is crazy, and many people have shifted their entertainment dollars to the Thunder and had to drop season tickets to the University programs.

Fourth, there is the cost. The price of attending games has just left most people out of an ability to attend games -- financially.

Fifth, as as to OU basketball, the gym is the worst venue to watch a game in in America. I know some disagree with this, but many, like me, find it unbearable. But, I still make myself go a few time each year just to support the team. This being said, I don't believe the university should go into debt to build a gym. If we don't have the money to build a new gym, then we don't and IMO we should just make due with what we have.

Sixth, and now to add to the above, there is the NIL/Portal issue. There is absolutely no economic sense to funding NIL for donors. Unless they have play money and just want to spend it on something, fine. I have absolutely no idea if we have people like this, or what our resources are. But, throwing away money and never recouping it someway, is normally not a sustainable thing.

Seventh, there is no mass transit option to go to games. Thus, you can't drink if you attend, because of the post game driving aspect of attending. This is my biggest concern with a gym on the north campus.

Eighth, game times to accommodate TV, make attendance too expensive and hard to justify attending. People from all over Oklahoma like to attend OU events but are basically shut out of late night games and early morning games due to driving times and/or the need to make it an expensive weekend with a hotel stay.

And, then there is coaching. It certainly has a lot to do with winning and success. But, it is just one of many factors related to success.

If you really want to create a lasting successful basketball program, there is a lot of things to address and not just coaching. Frankly, in a small population state like oklahoma, it might not even be possible in the absence of an enormous financial commitment that overpowers the can solve and/or overcome some of the hurdles above.
You're crazy imo if you think most of those things apparently matter more then pm's "coaching"
 
100 percent true. Will Wade is not an OU type of guy. Too sleezy.

Also, his success is predicated on getting better athletes than the rest of the teams in the Southland? Do you think that’s a recipe for success at OU.

Porter Moser is a one trick pony. We don’t need another one.
I’m pretty sure will wade was super successful at LSU in the SEC as well. He’s knows how to coach and acquire talent at lesser schools. He’s exactly what OU needs. He can wear the black hat like so many OU coaches before him.
 
I’ve tried to defend moser since he arrived. After last season, it was hard to defend him. This season is the last straw. He has been a complete failure. This team is so poorly coached it’s disgusting and unwatchable. The NIL excuse is BULL**** because we’ve spent money on players and we have the talent to make the tourney but we will not. We had the talent to beat texas, aTm, Missouri, and enough of the “others” to make the tourney but we failed on all fronts. All of Mosers teams totally suck on the road regardless of who they’re playing, Most of the time it’s not even competitive on the road. Pathetic.

I am done. He has failed completely and he has no business coaching in the big12 or SEC. He is not remotely in the class of coaches in this league. He should be fired, no question.
 
I’m pretty sure will wade was super successful at LSU in the SEC as well. He’s knows how to coach and acquire talent at lesser schools. He’s exactly what OU needs. He can wear the black hat like so many OU coaches before him.
Dude it will never happen in a million years at ou. You're really wasting keystrokes imo
 
I’m pretty sure will wade was super successful at LSU in the SEC as well. He’s knows how to coach and acquire talent at lesser schools. He’s exactly what OU needs. He can wear the black hat like so many OU coaches before him.
Here's two things also that makes just way to much sense. What is Will Wade looking for? A 25-50 program to give him another shot so he can boost that into a top 15 coaching job.

What does OU need? someone to quickly come in and put an above average product on the court to reenergize the program and put fans back into the arena.

What happens if Will Wade turns the program around? He will be hired by a top 15 program in 2 years and that program will be paying you Joe C his buyout.

Then? your program is in a much better spot, and you can attract someone who you think is a longer term option.

Win Win

Yes it wont happen
 
Here's two things also that makes just way to much sense. What is Will Wade looking for? A 25-50 program to give him another shot so he can boost that into a top 15 coaching job.

What does OU need? someone to quickly come in and put an above average product on the court to reenergize the program and put fans back into the arena.

What happens if Will Wade turns the program around? He will be hired by a top 15 program in 2 years and that program will be paying you Joe C his buyout.

Then? your program is in a much better spot, and you can attract someone who you think is a longer term option.

Win Win

Yes it wont happen
I agree with this.
 
Here's two things also that makes just way to much sense. What is Will Wade looking for? A 25-50 program to give him another shot so he can boost that into a top 15 coaching job.

What does OU need? someone to quickly come in and put an above average product on the court to reenergize the program and put fans back into the arena.

What happens if Will Wade turns the program around? He will be hired by a top 15 program in 2 years and that program will be paying you Joe C his buyout.

Then? your program is in a much better spot, and you can attract someone who you think is a longer term option.

Win Win

Yes it wont happen
Ugh. It makes too much sense.. but what would Joe C do with the 2-3 years drought with no compliance of the year championships?
 
Ugh. It makes too much sense.. but what would Joe C do with the 2-3 years drought with no compliance of the year championships?
Probably get a hard on honestly in the interview when will wade explains to him he got fired at LSU because he was paying players and there handlers out of his own bank account and salary.
 
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