Sidorakis gives up ship

[playmakr]

LOL @ the longest thread on OU Hoops top page being about a scrub player who paid his own way to the worst school in the conference instead of losing his schollie.

Agreed. What is lost in all of this is "Sid" isn't that good. Edmond said it, he might not start if this board put a team together.

worst school in conference?

Yea, what's your beef?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Yea, what's your beef?

ribeye

 

[Seymore Cox]

So you're saying it would be okay to run a kid off one year, but not multiple years. Is that right?

Yeah. Especially in Ford's case when he runs them off after one year. Capel gave Ray and Kyle two years to prove themselves.

 

[PasoPoke]

I say it's OK to run off kids every year. The coaches job is to win games. His loyalty is to the fans and university that pays his salary.

If a kid is on scholarship that is not providing value they should be cut loose. They are owed nothing more than an opportunity.

This is one of the most sensible posts in this entire thread.

I love how OU fans are bashing Coach Ford as being unethical, (over signings happen all the time in basketball) but the only school between OSU and OU that is staring at an NCAA investigation and possible probation is OU.

 

[Cheno]

Yeah. Especially in Ford's case when he runs them off after one year. Capel gave Ray and Kyle two years to prove themselves.

So that makes it better? I just don't get that thinking. It's either okay to run kids off or not. The number of years doesn't matter. Look at the season OU had last year.....what if they could have got two extra difference makers?

And really, I'm not about running kids off unless they don't show the heart and commitment to get better. I don't think you run kids off just because they aren't that good a player AS LONG AS they still work hard and are good teammates. I don't think Kyle Hardrick should be run off. I never heard anything negative about him. Now I don't think he'll ever play much so if I'm Coach Capel I have that conversation with him but still leave it up to him.

And my gut tells me having Willis on the team last year HURT chemistry and talent level. Look at the year we had. You're saying that's a good thing to keep that kind of attitude around another year? Personally, I'd have sent him packing after he got a suspicion of DUI charge at 3am in the morning when they had a game tip-off at 12:30pm. You're out drinking....or even just out and about...8 hours before you need to be at the gym?
That told me everything I needed to know. That's not a mistake...that's not caring.

 

[coolm]

Personally, I'd have sent him packing after he got a suspicion of DUI charge at 3am in the morning when they had a game tip-off at 12:30pm. You're out drinking....or even just out and about...8 hours before you need to be at the gym?
That told me everything I needed to know. That's not a mistake...that's not caring.

great point there. that was my view as well.

I could stomach a lot of things as long as a kid was committed to the program. You can bust ass in practice, be a good and enthusiastic teammate, stay clean as a whistle, make good grades .... and through these actions you are genuinely helping the program. Every program needs anchors like this.

Not caring? Bad attitude? welcome to the door.

 

[Seymore Cox]

I didn't read any of your thread, except for the first sentence, but Ford has ran off players because he didn't like what the players brought to the table after one year and sometimes even less. If you look at Chris Early, Patillo, Cannon, and the guys who left OU, it's been mostly disciplinary. Ray Willis transferring to Capel's hometown school further shows me that Capel cared about the welfare. Malcoln Kirkland, Ibrihima Thomas, Dee Proby, weren't treated well on their way out the door.

 

[stoops4pres]

And really, I'm not about running kids off unless they don't show the heart and commitment to get better. I don't think you run kids off just because they aren't that good a player AS LONG AS they still work hard and are good teammates. I don't think Kyle Hardrick should be run off. I never heard anything negative about him. Now I don't think he'll ever play much so if I'm Coach Capel I have that conversation with him but still leave it up to him.

And my gut tells me having Willis on the team last year HURT chemistry and talent level. Look at the year we had. You're saying that's a good thing to keep that kind of attitude around another year?

Agreed. I think Willis' lacking commitment to the program was the reason him and Capel parted ways.

 

[Cheno]

I didn't read any of your thread, except for the first sentence, but Ford has ran off players because he didn't like what the players brought to the table after one year and sometimes even less. If you look at Chris Early, Patillo, Cannon, and the guys who left OU, it's been mostly disciplinary. Ray Willis transferring to Capel's hometown school further shows me that Capel cared about the welfare. Malcoln Kirkland, Ibrihima Thomas, Dee Proby, weren't treated well on their way out the door.

But none of what you said we know. Who knows how these guys (both OSU & OU) acted within the structure of the program. You say Ford ran off players because he didn't "like what the players brought to the table"....isn't that the same reason Early, Pattillo, Cannon, Willis, etc were shown the door?
On or off the court doesn't matter. Maybe Kirkland, Thomas & Proby weren't committed to the way Ford does things. Who knows.

I hate OSU as much as the next guy but I'm not going to throw stones when Ford really isn't doing anything different than Coach Capel has done, Bill Self has done or most coaches have done.

My stance is I don't like it when/if a kid is told to leave when a) he wants to stay b) he's done the things necessary to stay (go to class, work hard, be a good teammate). I'm not sure Ford has broken that school of thought.

 

[Seymore Cox]

In the world of social networking, less things are mysteries. Infact according to the OSU media, Holder met with Ford after teh Thomas incident.

 

[HoHum]

In the world of social networking, less things are mysteries. Infact according to the OSU media, Holder met with Ford after teh Thomas incident.

I don't remember anything like that, happen to have a link?

Seems to me the idea of Capel "caring about the welfare" because of where Willis ended up is pure conjecture. Heck, all of Ford's transfer's (except Thomas, who is from Senegal) ended up very close to their hometowns. Seems like they ended up in spots just as good as Willis.

You may have an issue with players transferring frequently under Ford, but you really can't say Ford has left them out to dry with no place to go.

 

[propoke]

I didn't read any of your thread, except for the first sentence, but Ford has ran off players because he didn't like what the players brought to the table after one year and sometimes even less. If you look at Chris Early, Patillo, Cannon, and the guys who left OU, it's been mostly disciplinary. Ray Willis transferring to Capel's hometown school further shows me that Capel cared about the welfare. Malcoln Kirkland, Ibrihima Thomas, Dee Proby, weren't treated well on their way out the door.

Of the guys you mentioned Dee Proby was never on campus, and ended up at
West Virginia. Ibrihima Thomas was a starter up untill he decided to leave. I don't think Ford wanted a starter to leave, they just butted heads. He still ended up at Cinncy. Kirkland was a loose cannon on the floor and wasn't happy with his playing time. He transfered closer to home where he could play more. I think all ended up in good situations.

 

[Cheno]

In the world of social networking, less things are mysteries. Infact according to the OSU media, Holder met with Ford after teh Thomas incident.

LOL. Okay, I'll start regarding Twitter and FaceBook as the gospel.
According to HoHum and Propokes post after yours you don't have your facts straight. Again.

 

[oSuJeff97]

You're looking at Ibrihima Thomas, Martavious Adams, Malcoln Kirkland, Teeng Akol, Dee Proby, and now this situation. It's his third year in a row oversigning.

LOL...

Thomas, Adams and Kirkland all left the team for their own reasons - Ford didn't run any of them off.

Thomas especially - he left because he wanted to be a 6'10" shooting guard, while Ford wanted him to play inside.

They were all unhappy for various reasons and so they left - just like tons of players do every single year in practially every program.

Akol was a project at best that didn't work out.

 

[Seymore Cox]

LOL. Okay, I'll start regarding Twitter and FaceBook as the gospel.
According to HoHum and Propokes post after yours you don't have your facts straight. Again.

Good idea. Especially when it comes from the horses mouth. How did we find out about TMG's status, Tiny, Cameron Clark, Tyshawn Taylor's fight? Definetely not from the traditional media. What facts aren't straight? Kirkland made remarks against how Ford "mistreated" him, Thomas felt mistreated in practice. Robert Allen commented during the Obi controversy that language was an issues stemming from Thomas's leaving. Proby got his offer pulled due to not fitting into the "uptempo" system. So those things fit into my beliefs about coaching ethics. BTW, I live in Stillwater, know one of the coaches and a support staff, so I'll go with what I'm hearing over anyone else.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

BTW, I live in Stillwater,

i'm sorry

 

[Mr.B!!!]

The name of this website is ouhoops.com, not sure why anyone is expecting "fair and balanced" treatment of the oSu coach and the OU coach? As far as I am concerned, Ford is pure evil, has a foul-mouth and treats his players like crap. Conversly, Jeff Capel is pure as the driven snow, and gives his players every opportunity to succeed at OU.

 

[Seymore Cox]

The name of this website is ouhoops.com, not sure why anyone is expecting "fair and balanced" treatment of the oSu coach and the OU coach? As far as I am concerned, Ford is pure evil, has a foul-mouth and treats his players like crap. Conversly, Jeff Capel is pure as the driven snow, and gives his players every opportunity to succeed at OU.

that's what I'm sayin, but I keep falling victim to returning to this thread. Maybe I'll learn this time.

 

[Dignon003]

I didn't read any of your thread, except for the first sentence, but Ford has ran off players because he didn't like what the players brought to the table after one year and sometimes even less. If you look at Chris Early, Patillo, Cannon, and the guys who left OU, it's been mostly disciplinary. Ray Willis transferring to Capel's hometown school further shows me that Capel cared about the welfare. Malcoln Kirkland, Ibrihima Thomas, Dee Proby, weren't treated well on their way out the door.

Thomas left by his choice not Ford's, Ford showed that he would use Thomas and featured him in a victory over Tulsa. But Thomas didn't like the fact that Ford is pretty damn hard on his players and made the decision to leave at semester.

Dee Proby was never a player at OSU, Kirkland played for a season and proved he didn't bring much to the table. Other then fouling out of a game as fast as anyone I've ever seen.

 

[HoHum]

The name of this website is ouhoops.com, not sure why anyone is expecting "fair and balanced" treatment of the oSu coach and the OU coach? As far as I am concerned, Ford is pure evil, has a foul-mouth and treats his players like crap. Conversly, Jeff Capel is pure as the driven snow, and gives his players every opportunity to succeed at OU.

But one of the...dangers, I suppose, of having a forum open to fans of other schools is that when you start a thread revolving around one of those schools they are going to come out of the woodwork to defend/challenge a lot of points. It's just the way it is.

I won't speak for anyone else, but I obviously don't expect to find a thread concerning OSU to be all that glowing, but it's also hard (especially when I've been goofing around on here for almost two years) not to post something when you find something you don't think is true/disagree with.