The Porter Moser stat I keep thinking about....

[SoonerBounce13]

It is perhaps a weird hill to stand on, but his weight also a weird nit to pick. Noland's purported excess poundage ranks approximately 372nd on the list of things wrong with this team but it's brought up constantly.

Why is the athletic ability of a team a weird thing to nit pick?
Is it nit picking to point out James Harden's weight gain?
Is it nit picking to point out how weak the football team had become under wylie?

 

[skyvue]

Why is the athletic ability of a team a weird thing to nit pick?

Who's talking about athletic ability? We -- well, you and some others -- are talking about weight, a few extra pounds (if that), not athletic ability. I am talking about you and others obsessing over those few pounds.

 

[dksooner]

Who's talking about athletic ability? We -- well, you and some others -- are talking about weight, a few extra pounds (if that), not athletic ability. I am talking about you and others obsessing over those few pounds.

Weight plays a role in athletic ability and performance

 

[OU92Grad]

Back to the topic of Porter Moser stats ... I am wondering if he will abandon the Smedium and go straight small shirts since we are 2-11 in our last thirteen games?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Who's talking about athletic ability? We -- well, you and some others -- are talking about weight, a few extra pounds (if that), not athletic ability. I am talking about you and others obsessing over those few pounds.

ok :ez-laugh:

 

[skyvue]

Weight plays a role in athletic ability and performance

Performance, yes (if the amount of excess weight is extreme), but we consistently see athletic ability touted as something you either have or don't have.

"Athletic ability" is generally used to describe innate gifts -- speed, jumping ability, quickness, etc.. Can those gifts be honed and improved? To a certain degree, but it's definitely limited. For example, when so many posters say this OU team is not athletic enough, are they simply saying none of our guys are playing at their ideal weight? That they have not been trained correctly? Of course not. Athletic ability is largely built-in and it's presented as such in post after post after post on this board and elsewhere. So the sudden shift to the idea that athletic ability (or lack thereof) = weight was jarring.

I'll say it again: Noland became a Top 100 recruit at this weight, so the notion that it's seriously holding him back is iffy at best. But even if Noland's weight is holding him back a bit, that issue is so far down the list of problems this team has, it's silly that it's become such a focus.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Performance, yes (if the amount of excess weight is extreme), but we consistently see athletic ability touted as something you either have or don't have.

"Athletic ability" is generally used to describe innate gifts -- speed, jumping ability, quickness, etc.. Can those gifts be honed and improved? To a certain degree, but it's definitely limited. For example, when so many posters say this OU team is not athletic enough, are they simply saying none of our guys are playing at their ideal weight? That they have not been trained correctly? Of course not. Athletic ability is largely built-in and it's presented as such in post after post after post on this board and elsewhere. So the sudden shift to the idea that athletic ability (or lack thereof) = weight was jarring.

I'll say it again: Noland became a Top 100 recruit at this weight, so the notion that it's seriously holding him back is iffy at best. But even if Noland's weight is holding him back a bit, that issue is so far down the list of problems this team has, it's silly that it's become such a focus.

Today I learned that weight only has a limited effect on speed, quickness, and jumping.

We are talking about elite d1 basketball here. You can get away with it on ability in high school. I don't see Noland as an elite prospect that can get away with not being in tip top shape at this level of basketball.

 

[Dr Sleep]

When looking at Moser's record, the big stats are the two deep tourney runs. That is why he was sought after and why he was hired.

 

[big-hOUnd]

Regardless of all that, I think CJ could have won that awful Dunk Contest during All Star Weekend!

 

[WTSooner]

Did Moser really have better "athletes" at Loyola? I doubt that. Which is why I refuse to let that be the sole excuse for this season. I think there are still questions about how effective the Moser offense can be in the Big 12, with the types of athletes/players we are typically going to recruit.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Did Moser really have better "athletes" at Loyola? I doubt that. Which is why I refuse to let that be the sole excuse for this season. I think there are still questions about how effective the Moser offense can be in the Big 12, with the types of athletes/players we are typically going to recruit.

I could see better athletes proportional to the other athletes in the MVC. I don't think anyone can say loyola had better athletes than OU. But this OU team is pretty light athletically..

 

[61sooner]

If Moser could have parlayed staying at Loyola with a big pay raise would he have been better off?
He might have been in the Valley like Ray and Joey Meyer were at DePaul and been a tournament team annually.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Performance, yes (if the amount of excess weight is extreme), but we consistently see athletic ability touted as something you either have or don't have.

"Athletic ability" is generally used to describe innate gifts -- speed, jumping ability, quickness, etc.. Can those gifts be honed and improved? To a certain degree, but it's definitely limited. For example, when so many posters say this OU team is not athletic enough, are they simply saying none of our guys are playing at their ideal weight? That they have not been trained correctly? Of course not. Athletic ability is largely built-in and it's presented as such in post after post after post on this board and elsewhere. So the sudden shift to the idea that athletic ability (or lack thereof) = weight was jarring.

I'll say it again: Noland became a Top 100 recruit at this weight, so the notion that it's seriously holding him back is iffy at best. But even if Noland's weight is holding him back a bit, that issue is so far down the list of problems this team has, it's silly that it's become such a focus.

This back and forth has been weird and i think you are making it a focus more than anyone..

 

[TINY]

If Moser could have parlayed staying at Loyola with a big pay raise would he have been better off?
He might have been in the Valley like Ray and Joey Meyer were at DePaul and been a tournament team annually.

He’s going to be a tournament team annually here, too (including this year it just might be NIT). He should be able to get higher quality players at ou than he got at loyola, as well. He is going to build something special here if he gets the proper support from fans and admin.

 

[AZOUFAN]

He’s going to be a tournament team annually here, too (including this year it just might be NIT). He should be able to get higher quality players at ou than he got at loyola, as well. He is going to build something special here if he gets the proper support from fans and admin.

I agree 100%. His former squad is currently listed as one of the last 4 out in a lot of the MM tournament predictions. He built something special there and I'm also very confident he will do the same here.