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[garyeb2]

this is a harsh board gary i have been a head high school basketball coach for 27 years and asst at swosu for 1 i just threw my thoughts about capel out there and got personally insulted bad i lost all respect for the majority of the members on this board i know more about bball then 9 out 10 of everyone on here and i got proof with 4 state titles as a head coach

Don't worry about it. They treat me worse. If you want to continue to participate, ignore them or respond in kind.

 

[KBaden145]

this is a harsh board gary i have been a head high school basketball coach for 27 years and asst at swosu for 1 i just threw my thoughts about capel out there and got personally insulted bad i lost all respect for the majority of the members on this board i know more about bball then 9 out 10 of everyone on here and i got proof with 4 state titles as a head coach

There's no place for the personal stuff. I disagreed with you about Capel but discussion about his time here kind of strikes a nerve in both camps. I'm just ready to move on. BTW, a late welcome to the board. If you are who I think you are, you are one helluva high school basketball coach and I have admired you from afar. My father was a high school official for 25 years or so based out of Lawton and is also a big fan.

 

[bocabull]

Coach, your assessment of Capels recruiting and his attempt to elevate the OU program was spot on. Unfortunately TMG was a hand grenade who blew it up. Capel had Osby waiting in the wings who ended up being 1st team all Big XII even after taking a step backwards in his first season under Kruger.

We are a year behind where we would have been had Capel been allowed to finish his rebuild from the TMG mistake. Kruger will never recruit as well as Capel so our ceiling is lower. But some people would rather churn out 20 win 1 & done seasons with mediocre talent than take the risks Capel took to give us a legit chance to compete nationally.

The critics who say Capel can't coach are clowns.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Capel was a good guy that was out of his element at OU. Personally, I've chosen to remember the Capel years based on the season where we were arguably the second best team in the country with one of the best college basketball players of this generation. I think much of the vitriol the guy gets is based on his recruiting successes vs. their on court results. Wish it could have gone better, but ultimately it probably worked out for both parties. Keep in mind, he had a job offer closer to home and fans were geeked up that he might leave.

 

[garyeb2]

Coach, your assessment of Capels recruiting and his attempt to elevate the OU program was spot on. Unfortunately TMG was a hand grenade who blew it up. Capel had Osby waiting in the wings who ended up being 1st team all Big XII even after taking a step backwards in his first season under Kruger.

We are a year behind where we would have been had Capel been allowed to finish his rebuild from the TMG mistake. Kruger will never recruit as well as Capel so our ceiling is lower. But some people would rather churn out 20 win 1 & done seasons with mediocre talent than take the risks Capel took to give us a legit chance to compete nationally.

The critics who say Capel can't coach are clowns.

Uh, Osby took a step backwards in his first year under Kruger from what? He was better under Kruger as a junior than he was at Miss. St. as a soph. Isn't that right? Can the stat guys verify that? He was better as a senior than he was a junior. Isn't that going in the right direction?

The Capel people just don't seem to grasp this basic concept. A coach isn't a good recruiter just because he signs highly rated high school kids. He is a good recruiter if he can win in the league he plays in with the kids he recruited. After Kelvin's foundation and Blake left the program the answer is resounding evidence that Capel couldn't recruit much at all.

 

[garyeb2]

Coach, your assessment of Capels recruiting and his attempt to elevate the OU program was spot on. Unfortunately TMG was a hand grenade who blew it up. Capel had Osby waiting in the wings who ended up being 1st team all Big XII even after taking a step backwards in his first season under Kruger.

We are a year behind where we would have been had Capel been allowed to finish his rebuild from the TMG mistake. Kruger will never recruit as well as Capel so our ceiling is lower. But some people would rather churn out 20 win 1 & done seasons with mediocre talent than take the risks Capel took to give us a legit chance to compete nationally.

The critics who say Capel can't coach are clowns.

Uh, Osby took a step backwards in his first year under Kruger from what? He was better under Kruger as a junior than he was at Miss. St. as a soph. Isn't that right? Can the stat guys verify that? He was better as a senior than he was a junior. Isn't that going in the right direction?

The Capel people just don't seem to grasp this basic concept. A coach isn't a good recruiter just because he signs highly rated high school kids. He is a good recruiter if he can win in the league he plays in with the kids he recruited. After Kelvin's foundation and Blake left the program the answer is resounding evidence that Capel couldn't recruit much at all.

And on top of that it wasn't the message board posters that fired Capel. Capel got Capel fired. Capel wasn't fired because he had two losing seasons in a row and cheated. Capel was fired because he had two losing seasons in a row and cheated AND he alienated the fans, boosters,media and administration with his own arrogant behavior.

I wasn't on the line. So I can not give an exact quote. But, I do believe that I can report accurately on the conversation between Boren and Joe C. just before Capel was fired. It went something like this. Boren to Joe C. I'm tired of fielding complaints about your basketball coach. You are the athletic director and can do what ever you want. If you decide to fire Capel, I'll back you 100%. If you decide to keep him, you are on your own.

Let's wrap this up by talking about the great recruiting class Capel left for Kruger. It was that big timer Robert Goff. (whatever happened to him) And then who else? Oh, that's right. It was nobody, nothing.

 

[nikebasketball]

There's no place for the personal stuff. I disagreed with you about Capel but discussion about his time here kind of strikes a nerve in both camps. I'm just ready to move on. BTW, a late welcome to the board. If you are who I think you are, you are one helluva high school basketball coach and I have admired you from afar. My father was a high school official for 25 years or so based out of Lawton and is also a big fan.

I just might be that guy while in Carnegie i was close to lawton and was there from 86 to 98 going to state 11 out of 13 years winning state 3 times played in 5 titles...at Anadarko i have won 1 title and coached in another

 

[nikebasketball]

Coach, your assessment of Capels recruiting and his attempt to elevate the OU program was spot on. Unfortunately TMG was a hand grenade who blew it up. Capel had Osby waiting in the wings who ended up being 1st team all Big XII even after taking a step backwards in his first season under Kruger.

We are a year behind where we would have been had Capel been allowed to finish his rebuild from the TMG mistake. Kruger will never recruit as well as Capel so our ceiling is lower. But some people would rather churn out 20 win 1 & done seasons with mediocre talent than take the risks Capel took to give us a legit chance to compete nationally.

The critics who say Capel can't coach are clowns.

i agree thats what i have been saying.. but its in the past we have good players and will be GREAT in 2015 and 2016 Buddys and Hornbeak JR. SR year.

 

[AdaSooner]

this is a harsh board gary i have been a head high school basketball coach for 27 years and asst at swosu for 1 i just threw my thoughts about capel out there and got personally insulted bad i lost all respect for the majority of the members on this board i know more about bball then 9 out 10 of everyone on here and i got proof with 4 state titles as a head coach

Please accept my apology for any personal insults hurled your way. It's obvious this thread has deteriorated considerably since I was on the board earlier today. Jeff Capel is a sensitive topic around here, but that is no excuse for insulting someone personally who has not done one thing to deserve it, at least that I can see.

I, for one, am glad you're here! This board needs more posters like you. You have not only started new threads, you have also been a participant, and you do it in a civil manner.

I'll take the time to go back through this thread and delete any personal insult I see. Yes, it's a little too late at this point, but it's the best I can do beyond an apology.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Head coach and i dont take the time to get my grammar right cause i dont have the time i got on this board cause i love OU basketball and basketball period i was head coach at carnegie from 86 through 98 winning 3 state titles 88 92 class 2A 96 3A state runner up 97 98 in 3A in 99 i was asst coach at SWOSU took the Anadarko job in 2000 still hold it tell today. won the 4A state title in 03 runner up in 12 i have got bashed so bad the past week and it dont bother me 1 bit i am through talking about capel i was just throwing my thoughts out there and trying to get this board more fun to be on

I would ask you to accept my apology too. I've been on message boards for years and a lot of people claim to be something they aren't. Some think they were or are the 2nd coming of Adrian Peterson or Wayman Tisdale and some think their affiliation with their sons high school team (as a parent) is the same as being on the coaching staff. That's why I asked what position you held on those teams. On the internet, as you know, we are all anonymous, hence the user names so therefore we can claim to be something without worry of anyone ever knowing the truth.

As to the comment about your grammar/sentence structure you addressed why you write in that manner and that's fine. The advancements of email, text messaging and social media have relegated basic grammar use to formal documents for some people. I refuse to join that group much to the chagrin of my wife and teenage son.

Now that you reveal your identity a little more, I know who you are. I was raised in Grady County and went to high school in Chickasha (grade school at a country elementary school that only went from K-8) but had many cousins at Amber-Pocasset and used to watch your Carnegie teams at district, regional, and area tournaments (in which Am-Po played too). I also have some friends from Geary and was acquainted with a number of people from Carnegie thru church. I am sure you are also very aware of the Chickasha/Anadarko rivalry that was dominated by the chicks when I was in school (25-30 years ago), but Anadarko has elevated their athletic programs and now the tables have been turned.

Anyway, please keep posting as it's nice to have someone who knows the game on the board. I disagree with you 100% in your assessment of Capel but we all have our own opinions and that's what makes this board more entertaining.

One question...whatever happened to the running back from Darko who didn't qualify last year or 2 years ago?

 

[nikebasketball]

I would ask you to accept my apology too. I've been on message boards for years and a lot of people claim to be something they aren't. Some think they were or are the 2nd coming of Adrian Peterson or Wayman Tisdale and some think their affiliation with their sons high school team (as a parent) is the same as being on the coaching staff. That's why I asked what position you held on those teams. On the internet, as you know, we are all anonymous, hence the user names so therefore we can claim to be something without worry of anyone ever knowing the truth.

As to the comment about your grammar/sentence structure you addressed why you write in that manner and that's fine. The advancements of email, text messaging and social media have relegated basic grammar use to formal documents for some people. I refuse to join that group much to the chagrin of my wife and teenage son.

Now that you reveal your identity a little more, I know who you are. I was raised in Grady County and went to high school in Chickasha (grade school at a country elementary school that only went from K-8) but had many cousins at Amber-Pocasset and used to watch your Carnegie teams at district, regional, and area tournaments (in which Am-Po played too). I also have some friends from Geary and was acquainted with a number of people from Carnegie thru church. I am sure you are also very aware of the Chickasha/Anadarko rivalry that was dominated by the chicks when I was in school (25-30 years ago), but Anadarko has elevated their athletic programs and now the tables have been turned.

Anyway, please keep posting as it's nice to have someone who knows the game on the board. I disagree with you 100% in your assessment of Capel but we all have our own opinions and that's what makes this board more entertaining.

One question...whatever happened to the running back from Darko who didn't qualify last year or 2 years ago?

mr wilson didnt have the grades to get in D1 he went to Miami juco up in tulsa trying to improve his grades so he can play d1 he is 1 heck of an athlete

 

[nikebasketball]

Please accept my apology for any personal insults hurled your way. It's obvious this thread has deteriorated considerably since I was on the board earlier today. Jeff Capel is a sensitive topic around here, but that is no excuse for insulting someone personally who has not done one thing to deserve it, at least that I can see.

I, for one, am glad you're here! This board needs more posters like you. You have not only started new threads, you have also been a participant, and you do it in a civil manner.

I'll take the time to go back through this thread and delete any personal insult I see. Yes, it's a little too late at this point, but it's the best I can do beyond an apology.

apology accepted but hey its a message board were all sooner die hard fans lets argue with our thoughts and make being an OU basketball fan funner

 

[Big Old Booger]

mr wilson didnt have the grades to get in D1 he went to Miami juco up in tulsa trying to improve his grades so he can play d1 he is 1 heck of an athlete

Miami Juco in Tulsa, do you mean NEO? Was his name Sheldon Wilson?

(I don't live in OK anymore so I'm a little disconnected from the OK HS scene.)

 

[nikebasketball]

Miami Juco in Tulsa, do you mean NEO? Was his name Sheldon Wilson?

(I don't live in OK anymore so I'm a little disconnected from the OK HS scene.)

yes neo and yes sheldon wilson OU and OSU had offered him in football but his grades werent goog enough..in 2014 football year he will most likely be a cowboy

 

[DenverSooner]

In my opinion you should focus on Capel's five year career. He was 37-43 at OU in conference play. In the prior 25 seasons, OU had only posted two losing records in conference play. Capel posted 3 in 5 years. In the prior 12 seasons to Capel's arrival, OU had never posted a sub .500 record in conference play and only had one .500 season. That was a season when OU was devastated with injuries and the team still went .500 in conference play.


What is good about 37-43? When you consider that included two seasons with Blake Griffin, how can you possibly call the guy a good coach.

I am positive he knows more about basketball than I do. He is probably a descent guy. He was not a good college basketball during his five year tenure at OU. It really is that simple.

 

[nikebasketball]

In my opinion you should focus on Capel's five year career. He was 37-43 at OU in conference play. In the prior 25 seasons, OU had only posted two losing records in conference play. Capel posted 3 in 5 years. In the prior 12 seasons to Capel's arrival, OU had never posted a sub .500 record in conference play and only had one .500 season. That was a season when OU was devastated with injuries and the team still went .500 in conference play.


What is good about 37-43? When you consider that included two seasons with Blake Griffin, how can you possibly call the guy a good coach.

I am positive he knows more about basketball than I do. He is probably a descent guy. He was not a good college basketball during his five year tenure at OU. It really is that simple.

capel did put OU in a huge hole.. what ive been saying is he had the talent here in 2010 and had even more coming in if they werent bad apples but i am threw talking about capel on this board sorry lets talk about something else someone start a new good thread