Travis Ford to Arkansas?

Your avatar ALONE scares the **** out of me...:woot

I stood behind him when he pled in Elliott's court. He's not nearly so menacing in jail orange and cuffs, but scary nonetheless...and I certainly didn't shake hands with him.

Come to think of it I was in Hall's court with Alonzo Mayes too. Can't you guys keep your athletes out of jail? At least make them go to one of those Making Better Choices classes or something.
 
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I stood behind him when he pled in Elliott's court. He's not nearly so menacing in jail orange and cuffs, but scary nonetheless...and I certainly didn't shake hands with him.

Come to think of it I was in Hall's court with Alonzo Mayes too. Can't you guys keep your athletes out of jail? At least make them go to one of those Making Better Choices classes or something.

He just looks like he wants to rape something...and I don't want it to be ME!!!
 
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

People forget that this was only Ford's 3rd season at OSU. The most telling season for coaches ability to run a program will be the 4th season. That's the point where they have all of "their guys" who have been running only one system for the entire time they've been there.

Capel crashed and burned to a 4-win conference slate and a losing season in his fourth year - a year that was so bad it required a blow-up of the roster and a start-from-scratch year in his 5th year.

Do you really think that next year, with what OSU has coming back and coming in, that we'll only win 4 conference games and have a losing record?

Do you think that OSU will be blowing up and starting from scratch at the end of next season?

Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it.

Fans that cannot see the obvious difference between Ford and Capel are simply blinded by their bias towards OU. Ford kicked a bunch of kids off his team. Ford took a team that had not won a road game in years and had not made the NCAA in years to the NCAA tournament. Ford makes the decisions and you do it his way or you leave. Look at Thomas. He didn't want to do things Ford's way and he got shown the door.

I hope OU beats OSU by 50 points both times next season but I can also admit that Ford is a much better coach.
 
Fans that cannot see the obvious difference between Ford and Capel are simply blinded by their bias towards OU. Ford kicked a bunch of kids off his team. Ford took a team that had not won a road game in years and had not made the NCAA in years to the NCAA tournament. Ford makes the decisions and you do it his way or you leave. Look at Thomas. He didn't want to do things Ford's way and he got shown the door.

I hope OU beats OSU by 50 points both times next season but I can also admit that Ford is a much better coach.

What about this year????
 
Fans that cannot see the obvious difference between Ford and Capel are simply blinded by their bias towards OU. Ford kicked a bunch of kids off his team. Ford took a team that had not won a road game in years and had not made the NCAA in years to the NCAA tournament. Ford makes the decisions and you do it his way or you leave. Look at Thomas. He didn't want to do things Ford's way and he got shown the door.

I hope OU beats OSU by 50 points both times next season but I can also admit that Ford is a much better coach.

I agree with Denver here. IMO Ford has been a good coach for OSU. Now I don't believe he's been the recruiter some had thought he would be, but he's kept his team in games they had no reason (talent-wise) to be in and made the most out of the skills his players DO have.
 
What about this year????

They won one! @ LaSalle.

Here are my quick and dirty thoughts about Ford.

He is a tremendous upgrade over Sean Sutton, though that is damning with faint praise. He gets his players to play hard, which is something that I think gets overlooked for a lot of coaches and can mask some coaching deficiences.

His recruiting classes have improved every year, which is a nice trend. I think he draws up some good gameplans, however, I think he is either too stubborn or too inexperienced or not a quick enough thinker to change those plans if they turn out not to work.

I think he did a poor job of putting this year's team together, but a large part of that might have been the collosal disappointment that was Ray Penn. I also think this team makes the tournament if Gulley doesn't get hurt in November and D. Williams doesn't get caught with his fingers in the cookie jar.

It is also hard to remember that he is only 41 years old, which is pretty young for a coach, especially one at a High-Major school. I do think Holder was premature in giving him the long extension, but it isn't that big of a deal. Ford also spearheaded the fundraiser to get the new locker rooms, which have to be considered top 10 in all of college basketball, which is a plus both for Ford and for OSU's future without Ford.

Is he a better coach than Capel, I'd say yes. But, keep in mind I didn't watch many OU games when they weren't playing OSU. The ones I watched the most were the 08-09 season, which I watched just to see Blake Griffin, and I could not understand how Griffin could go a single posession without at least putting his hands on the ball, and as good as that team was, I think they should have been better. And there should have been absolutely no way that OSU team should have even come close to them, let alone beat them when Griffin was being guarded by Anthony Brown and Marshall Moses.
 
Is he a better coach than Capel, I'd say yes. But, keep in mind I didn't watch many OU games when they weren't playing OSU. The ones I watched the most were the 08-09 season, which I watched just to see Blake Griffin, and I could not understand how Griffin could go a single posession without at least putting his hands on the ball, and as good as that team was, I think they should have been better. And there should have been absolutely no way that OSU team should have even come close to them, let alone beat them when Griffin was being guarded by Anthony Brown and Marshall Moses.

Again..THEY LOST 6 FRIGGIN GAMES...3-4 AFTER BG GOT HURT!!!! How much better did you expect them to be?

Did you watch the embarrasment that is NCAA hoops officiating that year directed at BG? He gets absolutely obliterated (the national media even commented about it that year) without intervention by the officials except about 1 out of 10. On the other hand, he gets NEAR a guy and it was a foul - not to mention he wasn't/isn't a great defender anyway. There was more to BG not dominating more in college (although he did his fair share) than you recognize...
 
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

People forget that this was only Ford's 3rd season at OSU. The most telling season for coaches ability to run a program will be the 4th season. That's the point where they have all of "their guys" who have been running only one system for the entire time they've been there.

Capel crashed and burned to a 4-win conference slate and a losing season in his fourth year - a year that was so bad it required a blow-up of the roster and a start-from-scratch year in his 5th year.

Do you really think that next year, with what OSU has coming back and coming in, that we'll only win 4 conference games and have a losing record?

Do you think that OSU will be blowing up and starting from scratch at the end of next season?

Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it.

When did I ever say, or even imply, that Ford was going to have the same outcome to the same extent as Capel?

The answer is, I never did. I just think you are reaching for an argument that isn't there.

What I do know is this: Ford's program has regressed with the more players that he has brought in. That cannot be denied, no matter how much Ford supporters want to.

Again, the guy has only won 1 NCAA Tournament game in his 3-year span at Ok. State. Since you're going by a year-to-year basis, Capel had won 4 times as many tournament games by his 3rd year. So yeah, by comparison, I think its fair to say that at this point Ford isn't a substantially better coach than Capel is, which was the only point I was making.

And I doubt Ford will have the same outcome as Capel did, but I certainly think another NIT season (or two more in a row) is plausible. By that point, I still think its fair to say that Ford isn't a drastically better coach.

Bottom line, and I'll repeat this again: I'm not implying Ford will emulate to the exact extent of Capel's 4th and 5th seasons, but let's wait 2 more years before claims are being made that Ford is a "much better" coach. Because right now, Ford certainly hasn't proven that yet.
 
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Fans that cannot see the obvious difference between Ford and Capel are simply blinded by their bias towards OU.

LOL, trust me, there's nothing blocking my vision. I just don't agree with an embellishment that Ford is so much better than Capel, when he hasn't proven otherwise.

Ford took a team that had not won a road game in years and had not made the NCAA in years to the NCAA tournament

Might I suggest laying off the exaggerations... "In years?" They won on the road the year before Ford took over.

In fact, Ok. State won more conference road games the year before Ford came in (2) than Ford did in his 3rd year (0).

I'm not saying Ford is this bad coach, but let's try making our point without drastic exaggerations.
 
Is he a better coach than Capel, I'd say yes.

Agreed. I just don't think it is to the extent that some posters have previously stated.

and as good as that team was, I think they should have been better.

When talking about the 08-09 season, do you care to elaborate how they should've been better?

Keep in mind their two biggest games of the season they lost closely without BG. I thought they showed they were the best Big 12 team while Blake was healthy, and IMO they very well could've won both of those games vs. Texas and KU, giving them a 1 seed in the tournament.

I think their NCAA Tournament hopes were hindered by a tough draw to North Carolina in their region more than anything. UNC slaughtered everyone in the tournament and put up one of the best NCAA Tournament performances in recent memory. I still think all things considered they were one of the 3-4 best teams in the country that season, but nevertheless a 30-win season and an Elite 8 finish was impressive.

And there should have been absolutely no way that OSU team should have even come close to them, let alone beat them when Griffin was being guarded by Anthony Brown and Marshall Moses.

Pretty tough to beat a rival that was pretty good that season (went to the 2nd round of the tournament) three times in a row.

After all, Ford can attest to that rivalry. I'd argue losing to OU last season was even worse than OU losing to Ok. State in '08-09, considering Ok. State went to the NCAA Tournament, and OU didn't make any tournament.

Its Bedlam Basketball... I think certain outcomes the last 3 years have proven that. ;)
 
Pretty tough to beat a rival that was pretty good that season (went to the 2nd round of the tournament) three times in a row.

After all, Ford can attest to that rivalry. I'd argue losing to OU last season was even worse than OU losing to Ok. State in '08-09, considering Ok. State went to the NCAA Tournament, and OU didn't make any tournament.

Its Bedlam Basketball... I think certain outcomes the last 3 years have proven that. ;)

That OSU team had a pretty good PG in Eaton (no matter what you think about him, he was a pretty PG by the time he graduated) and one of the better players in the country in Anderson...that team had some pieces.
 
LOL, trust me, there's nothing blocking my vision. I just don't agree with an embellishment that Ford is so much better than Capel, when he hasn't proven otherwise.



Might I suggest laying off the exaggerations... "In years?" They won on the road the year before Ford took over.

In fact, Ok. State won more conference road games the year before Ford came in (2) than Ford did in his 3rd year (0).

I'm not saying Ford is this bad coach, but let's try making our point without drastic exaggerations.

Yeah, he's not the second coming of Eddie Sutton that's for sure. I just don't see Ford ever leading the Cowgirls to the Final 4.

Capel had one horrid year (last year) in which he midjudged character or lacked discipline or both. Everything last year affected this year greatly. In my mind I was expecting worse results for this year at the beginning of the season. Most all of the really good talent we had left after last year and that's what made this season such a struggle. I think we also forget that Capel was what, the 2nd youngest D1 head coach when we hired him? He had some learning to do and we really couldn't afford that kind of 'learning' at a program like ours. I was really expecting for Joe to give him another year but I really believe 'donors' went to Boren and Joe and pretty much forced their hand. I may be wrong but it's just the feeling I get. AD's are not perfect and neither is Joe but there's not another AD in the country I'd rather have. His successes far outweigh his failures. He and Boren realize the importance of 'getting it right this time' and I have no doubt he will. I think we'll have a coach either right before the Final 4 or right after.

Boomer Sooner!
 
Good thoughts here HoHum... some additional thoughts:

They won one! @ LaSalle.

Here are my quick and dirty thoughts about Ford.

He is a tremendous upgrade over Sean Sutton, though that is damning with faint praise. He gets his players to play hard, which is something that I think gets overlooked for a lot of coaches and can mask some coaching deficiences.

Agreed.

His recruiting classes have improved every year, which is a nice trend. I think he draws up some good gameplans, however, I think he is either too stubborn or too inexperienced or not a quick enough thinker to change those plans if they turn out not to work.

Hmmm. I don't know if I agree with this. It's always hard to tell what's failing - the game plan or the execution. Most of the time we've lost games in the Ford era it has been because the opposing team just had way more talent on the floor than us.

I think he did a poor job of putting this year's team together, but a large part of that might have been the collosal disappointment that was Ray Penn. I also think this team makes the tournament if Gulley doesn't get hurt in November and D. Williams doesn't get caught with his fingers in the cookie jar.

Agreed about this. To me, the biggest problem for the entire season was losing Gulley. Yes, Penn was a disappointment in his arrested development, but he wasn't going to be the starter this year anyway -- Gulley was. He showed last year that he was more than capable of running the offense and was an excellent defender. His defense, more than anything, was really missed.

And yes, losing Williams was a huge blow.

So I don't know if I would say Ford did a poor job of putting this team together. The team, as he put it together, was probably an NCAA Tournament team. I think he deserves credit for holding the thing together and getting 20 wins out of this depleted group.

And there should have been absolutely no way that OSU team should have even come close to them, let alone beat them when Griffin was being guarded by Anthony Brown and Marshall Moses.

Agreed. Not only did they beat them in the Big 12 tournament; they dang near beat them in Norman on the Saturday before the tournament started.
 
Agreed. Not only did they beat them in the Big 12 tournament; they dang near beat them in Norman on the Saturday before the tournament started.

The win came via the "phantom foul" on BG and lack of a call at the other end at the end of the game - and OU didn't play well (tons of turnovers).

You guys had a decent team that year and Bedlam is always hotly contested. I'm not sure how that has any relevance on how good that team was or how good of a coach JC was/is...

"Dang near beat them in Norman..." -- You guys only led briefly early in that game. OU led by double digits for most of that game. You guys cut it to 3 a couple of times, but the game was hardly in doubt...
 
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You guys had a decent team that year and Bedlam is always hotly contested. I'm not sure how that has any relevance on how good that team was or how good of a coach JC was/is...

"Dang near beat them in Norman..." -- You guys NEVER led in that game. OU led by double digits for most of that game. You guys cut it to 3 a couple of times, but the game was hardly in doubt...

I guess that doesn't reflect too well on Ford this year then! We 'dang near beat them in Stoowater' and did beat them in Norman!
 
I guess that doesn't reflect too well on Ford this year then! We 'dang near beat them in Stoowater' and did beat them in Norman!

Actually, if THAT game is half way officiated within reason, we DO beat them in the "hell hole"...
 
Actually, if THAT game is half way officiated within reason, we DO beat them in the "hell hole"...

Forgot that! Capel was definitely a 'master' in that comment!!!! Thanks Jeff!

:woot
 
Untill OSU starts putting out loseing seasons and missing both the NCAA's and NIT's Ford should be considered a better coach. The next couple of years will show fans how good of a coach Ford really is.
 
Untill OSU starts putting out loseing seasons and missing both the NCAA's and NIT's Ford should be considered a better coach. The next couple of years will show fans how good of a coach Ford really is.

Right, because the NIT is such a great accomplishment...:clap

Look, I don't mind an NIT bid every once in a while, but I'd consider going to two or three NITs in a row or regularly as bad as a few losing seasons...NEITHER should be the norm at either school...
 
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