Travis Ford to Arkansas?

[Krugerfan52]

How so? He makes the post season every year. Ford is a much better coach than Capel. He runs his team and does not try to be friends with the players.

Thats an understatement. Except in the case of his mini-me, Page. I dont think they are friends. More like lovers.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Which further enhances the point that at this juncture Ford isn't drastically better than Capel, as some other posters previously mentioned.

Ford has also never coached an OSU team that included the consensus best player in the nation on it.

I wonder how that would affect the results.

You can cry all you want about the phantom (actual) foul that was called at the end of that game, but that OU team had NO BUSINESS being within 10 points of that OSU team, let alone losing to them.

Blake Griffin vs. Marshall Moses. Enough said.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Travis Ford to Missou?

I don't think they care for him too much there.

His transfer to Kentucky was...ummm... not taken well by Mizzou fans.

 

[Section31]

Ford has also never coached an OSU team that included the consensus best player in the nation on it.

I wonder how that would affect the results.

You can cry all you want about the phantom (actual) foul that was called at the end of that game, but that OU team had NO BUSINESS being within 10 points of that OSU team, let alone losing to them.

Blake Griffin vs. Marshall Moses. Enough said.

Whatever. Just wondering if you've EVER watched a basketball game? You're better than this Jeff. We don't live in a perfect world. BTW, I think BG did his part in all of those games.

Also, you sure are downplaying James Anderson in this discussion. He MAY BE the best OSU player in the past 10 years (without thinking too hard about it).

 

[oSuJeff97]

Also, you sure are downplaying James Anderson in this discussion. He MAY BE the best OSU player in the past 10 years (without thinking too hard about it).

Anderson was a great player, but there's no way he was the best OSU player in the past 10 years.

Desmond Mason, Tony Allen and Joey Graham (in that order) are the three best OSU players in the past 10 years. (Including Mason because I'm just using the 2000s)

I'd put James Anderson, along with John Lucas, right below Joey Graham. I might listen to an argument that James was better than Graham, but Mason and Allen are clearly #1 and #2, for the complete package that they brought... offense+defense.

And, by the way, NONE of those guys were anywhere near Blake Griffin, in terms of sheer talent and impact on a game. There are lots of great wing players, 2-guards and point guards every year. Dominant post men are rarest commodity in college basketball, and Blake was the very definition of DOMINANT.

None of the OSU guys I noted were easily the best and most dominant college basketball player in the country. None were taken overall #1 in the NBA draft, and none came close to winning NBA Rookie of the Year, which Blake is about to do.

Getting back to the discussion at hand... of course all coaches need talent to be successful - that's not in dispute. Of course James Anderson helped Ford be successful.

The difference between Capel and Ford is that not all coaches need to have the (by far) most dominant player in college basketball on their team to be successful.

 

[Section31]

Anderson was a great player, but there's no way he was the best OSU player in the past 10 years.

Desmond Mason, Tony Allen and Joey Graham (in that order) are the three best OSU players in the past 10 years. (Including Mason because I'm just using the 2000s)

I'd put James Anderson, along with John Lucas, right below Joey Graham. I might listen to an argument that James was better than Graham, but Mason and Allen are clearly #1 and #2, for the complete package that they brought... offense+defense.

I'll defer to you as an OSU fan, but I STRONGLY disagree. Those guys were really good players, but I believe Anderson was better. Lucas isn't in the same WORLD with Anderson, IMO.

And, by the way, NONE of those guys were anywhere near Blake Griffin, in terms of sheer talent and impact on a game. There are lots of great wing players, 2-guards and point guards every year. Dominant post men are rarest commodity in college basketball, and Blake was the very definition of DOMINANT.

And guards/wings have MORE opportunity to dominate because they have the ball in their hands all the time. Example: in that Big XII tourney game, BG shot the ball 9 times (and hit 6).

Getting back to the discussion at hand... of course all coaches need talent to be successful - that's not in dispute. Of course James Anderson helped Ford be successful.

The difference between Capel and Ford is that not all coaches need to have the (by far) most dominant player in college basketball on their team to be successful.

Depends on your definition of successful. Capel's teams didn't meet my expectations (of those teams) 1 time and I think it's fair to say BG was the most dominant player in college basketball for only 1 of his other 4 years (although he was very good his freshman year).

 

[Dignon003]

Dignon are you really happy with the job Travis Ford has done? While he appears to be a step up from Sean Sutton is that really good enough?

Given what he inherited I like him. He inherited some talent. He made those guys better. This year many were planning on Moses being a # 1 scoring option. That wasn't the case and Page is obviously better as a # 3 option.

I'd love for Ford to have a group of "his" guys. That he gets from the beginning. It would be nice to not have to suspend guys for the off season like Terrell Harris, Matt Pilgrim, have Thomas transfer out mid season.

Sometimes it's tough to push the right buttons with guys. Capel had that problem once. The difference is that I don't think that Ford is going to have the mass exodus of talent that Capel went through.

Adding, CG, Nash, B. Williams and M. Cobbins to our line up will be nice. If by chance we find a post with some size and rebouding skill then I think we'll be back in the dance next season.

 

[StoopsBros]

Travis Ford to Louisiana Tech?

 

[stoops4pres]

Ford has also never coached an OSU team that included the consensus best player in the nation on it.

I wonder how that would affect the results.

No, Ok. State just had one of the best players in the school's history and consensus First Team All-American last season in James Anderson, and Capel still found a way to win. Not quite to the same extent as having Griffin, but don't act like Ford hasn't had fantastic players to work with when facing Capel.

And Ok. State had better players this year, yet Capel still evened out the series. What spin do you have for that?

You can cry all you want about the phantom (actual) foul that was called at the end of that game, but that OU team had NO BUSINESS being within 10 points of that OSU team, let alone losing to them.

Blake Griffin vs. Marshall Moses. Enough said.

Apparently you skipped my post directed towards you yesterday, but this completely contradicts your reasoning not too long ago.

I remember you agreeing with me when I made my point that Ok. State beating OU actually wasn't inexplicable like you are all of a sudden making it out to be... Its not like OSU was Sister's of the Poor or anything. They were a good team that season that made it to the 2nd round of the tournament. Its generally hard to beat a good team 3 times in a row in one season in college basketball. Especially when that good team was OU's rival. Therefore, how is the loss--which came down to the final play--so inexplicable?

I find it interesting that your perspective on the issue has all of a sudden changed just to fit an argument that you are reaching for. Pretty convenient if you ask me...

http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=267159#post267159

 

[hoopsaustin]

personally, i hope that Ford stays at osu for the next 100 years..

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

So we all agree, Travis Ford won 20 games this year, it was a bad season and he;s a terrible coach.