Trinity Oliver to Baylor

[Mac]

How and when did Baylor cheat? The things you say on here are so funny

All the AAU teams in Texas and Mulkey had to put her daughter on the DFW team so she could sit with The Griner family... Personally I don't see anything wrong with her putting her daughter on what i think is the top AAU team in the state. I guess she could have picked another place to sit, but that's reaching a bit... If the NCAA didn't complain then it doesn't seem like the end of the world to me.

 

[Soonercuda]

All the AAU teams in Texas and Mulkey had to put her daughter on the DFW team so she could sit with The Griner family... Personally I don't see anything wrong with her putting her daughter on what i think is the top AAU team in the state. I guess she could have picked another place to sit, but that's reaching a bit... If the NCAA didn't complain then it doesn't seem like the end of the world to me.

Baylor was placed on probation and the NCAA considered the violations to be major infractions.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-accepts-self-imposed-penalties-text-messages

 

[tycat947]

Baylor was placed on probation and the NCAA considered the violations to be major infractions.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-accepts-self-imposed-penalties-text-messages

Yep!

 

[sybarite]

How and when did Baylor cheat? The things you say on here are so funny

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...es-integrity/2012/04/13/gIQAdAKNFT_story.html

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...m-mulkey-baylor-lady-bears-staff-more-careful

Many of the women's hoops coaches I've talked to about the Griner situation thought that Mulkey used her situation as a club team parent to work around the rules about her contact with the Griner family. Do those coaches have self-interest in viewing it this way? Yes. But do they also have a valid point? Yes, again.

It's not as if Mulkey somehow could have plotted years in advance to have her only daughter be around the same age as Griner -- obviously, that's preposterous -- or that this is a perpetual advantage Mulkey will have in the recruiting process.

Still, six players from DFW Elite -- Griner, Robertson, Odyssey Sims, Kimetria Hayden, Jordan Madden and Brooklyn Pope -- were on Baylor's NCAA title team this season. Yes, that's four of Baylor's five starters.

It was the Griner family's honest answers in an interview for the NCAA's former Top Prospect Program that got that organization looking into the contact -- even though the Griner family wasn't trying to implicate Mulkey.

To be fair, Mulkey's dual roles as parent of a recruitable player and coach of Baylor's women's program put her in a potentially difficult-to-navigate position. Still, she should have steered far clear of any conceivable impermissible contact with other DFW Elite parents while at club team games. It would appear that's the NCAA's view as well. Is that entirely fair or reasonable? I think so. Is it a mild breach of the rules or something more severe? That's going to be the NCAA's call.

Convenient. Wasn't it?

 

[got mulk??]

OMG get over it!! The event in question occurred SEVERAL years ago almost a decade. The rest of the nation has moved on except for the state of OU. I bet if you asked each B12 coach if they wanted Baylor to be removed from the conference not ONE would agree. That's like removing Tennessee from the SEC or Notre Dame from the ACC.........ridiculous. To be the best you have to BEAT the best not get rid of them! Not to mention the huge hit every team in the conference would take to their RPI and SOS not playing Baylor.

 

[sybarite]

OMG get over it!! The event in question occurred SEVERAL years ago almost a decade. The rest of the nation has moved on except for the state of OU. I bet if you asked each B12 coach if they wanted Baylor to be removed from the conference not ONE would agree. That's like removing Tennessee from the SEC or Notre Dame from the ACC.........ridiculous. To be the best you have to BEAT the best not get rid of them! Not to mention the huge hit every team in the conference would take to their RPI and SOS not playing Baylor.

And, Baylor is still in the headlines.

 

[BanjoCharley]

OU may have lost a player or two and even a basketball coach a while back.

We never lost a President (Chancellor?), AD, and Head Coach. I know that isn't WBB but it's Baylor.

 

[sybarite]

OU may have lost a player or two and even a basketball coach a while back.

We never lost a President (Chancellor?), AD, and Head Coach. I know that isn't WBB but it's Baylor.

And, it does bring up the status of Baylor, as a university, with regard to Big Twelve expansion. It is not apparent on this board, but the various OU message boards that discuss the future of the Big Twelve and any potential expansion, tend to question why the Big Twelve was saddled with Baylor. I see no indication that any departure of OU from the Big Twelve would have any intent of including Baylor. I have seen considerable discussion of the potential addition of BYU, with a lot of the objections due to the similarity to Baylor. If BYU is not admitted, they might be able to thank Baylor for their rejection.

On a long-term basis, OU is not likely to be allied with Baylor beyond the current TV contract, if that long.

 

[SOONERGRAD]

Personally, I could care less who violates what rules. It happens, the bottom line is Sooner fans will not be happy until Big Bad Baylor goes down. I could care less about what rules Mulkey is violating(several years ago). She's obviously grabbing her hands on the top Texas talent to put herself in a good position for more Big12 titles and NC's. Something Coach Coale needs to be doing.

 

[SOONERGRAD]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...es-integrity/2012/04/13/gIQAdAKNFT_story.html

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...m-mulkey-baylor-lady-bears-staff-more-careful


Convenient. Wasn't it?

Convenient? How bout Smart! your telling me if your daughter was on a team with potential 3 McDonald's all Americans and on one of the top AAU teams in the country, you wouldn't do all you can to sign atleast 4-5 of them? I'm sure she did break or bend the rules a little bit but she was obviously putting herself in a situation to be successful despite the consequence. I swear some of the board members have OU tunnel vision. I just like to look at the big picture without jumping on any sides.

http://m.newsok.com/article/3934985

A violation is a violation, it doesn't matter what it is. It happens to every one why can't we just get over it and look forward to watching some sooner basketball?

 

[soonerstar]

Personally, I could care less who violates what rules. It happens, the bottom line is Sooner fans will not be happy until Big Bad Baylor goes down. I could care less about what rules Mulkey is violating(several years ago). She's obviously grabbing her hands on the top Texas talent to put herself in a good position for more Big12 titles and NC's. Something Coach Coale needs to be doing.

+1

 

[sybarite]

Convenient? How bout Smart! your telling me if your daughter was on a team with potential 3 McDonald's all Americans and on one of the top AAU teams in the country, you wouldn't do all you can to sign atleast 4-5 of them? I'm sure she did break or bend the rules a little bit but she was obviously putting herself in a situation to be successful despite the consequence. I swear some of the board members have OU tunnel vision. I just like to look at the big picture without jumping on any sides.

http://m.newsok.com/article/3934985

A violation is a violation, it doesn't matter what it is. It happens to every one why can't we just get over it and look forward to watching some sooner basketball?

So, the coaches who despise her because she took advantage of a situation rather than sitting away from the parents are wrong? If you have the opportunity, you should cheat?

 

[SOONERGRAD]

So, the coaches who despise her because she took advantage of a situation rather than sitting away from the parents are wrong? If you have the opportunity, you should cheat?

I'm not saying she is right or wrong, I'm just saying we are talking about a situation that happened years ago and nobody knows the full/true story except Mulkey,Griner's parents, and the AAU coaches. It doesn't even matter, she sat with a recruits parents during the game? Who cares? Keep in mind Griner gave a verbal to Baylor in 8th grade, If we had a Brittney Griner in Oklahoma to go along with 4-5 Mcdonalds All Americans around her on an AAU team I'm sure Coach Coale would of been all over it just like Mulkey was.

 

[sybarite]

I'm not saying she is right or wrong, I'm just saying we are talking about a situation that happened years ago and nobody knows the full/true story except Mulkey,Griner's parents, and the AAU coaches. It doesn't even matter, she sat with a recruits parents during the game? Who cares? Keep in mind Griner gave a verbal to Baylor in 8th grade, If we had a Brittney Griner in Oklahoma to go along with 4-5 Mcdonalds All Americans around her on an AAU team I'm sure Coach Coale would of been all over it just like Mulkey was.

Why do you think the other coaches, Voepel, and Sally Jenkins were so disturbed? Have you seen any evidence that Kim Mulkey has moderated or learned from the past? Is she someone of integrity now? Could she have demonstrated ethics and sat by herself rather than to take advantage of a potential loophole and sit with the other parents. It ended up with an entire set of starters, not just Griner. They wrote it after a couple of years had passed and were talking about an incident a couple of years in the past.

I see little evidence that Mulkey is highly-respected by other coaches. It has only been a couple of years since Jeff Walz ridiculed her behavior, openly. Think she'll ever be elected to the presidency of a women's coaches organization?

Geno wins. So does Muffet. But, do they engender the hostility that Kim does? Well, they don't like each other. But, for the most part, the successful coaches are fairly highly-respected. Why not Kim?

 

[got mulk??]

Personally, I could care less who violates what rules. It happens, the bottom line is Sooner fans will not be happy until Big Bad Baylor goes down. I could care less about what rules Mulkey is violating(several years ago). She's obviously grabbing her hands on the top Texas talent to put herself in a good position for more Big12 titles and NC's. Something Coach Coale needs to be doing.

+2!!

 

[got mulk??]

Convenient? How bout Smart! your telling me if your daughter was on a team with potential 3 McDonald's all Americans and on one of the top AAU teams in the country, you wouldn't do all you can to sign atleast 4-5 of them? I'm sure she did break or bend the rules a little bit but she was obviously putting herself in a situation to be successful despite the consequence. I swear some of the board members have OU tunnel vision. I just like to look at the big picture without jumping on any sides.

http://m.newsok.com/article/3934985

A violation is a violation, it doesn't matter what it is. It happens to every one why can't we just get over it and look forward to watching some sooner basketball?

Exactly. Some people are just choking on sour grapes!

 

[MsProudSooner]

Exactly. Some people are just choking on sour grapes!

Got Mulk, I'm glad to see you here. I've been meaning to ask you if new female students at Baylor get a free Female Self Defense course and a coupon for $100.00 off on lawyer fees.

 

[sybarite]

Exactly. Some people are just choking on sour grapes!

Sorry. But, nobody, as I stated, despises Geno, Muffet, Pat, Brenda, etc. Why is Kim different? Nobody hated Marsha Sharp when she won, or Judy Conradt. Why Kim??

 

[Soonerbay]

Sorry. But, nobody, as I stated, despises Geno, Muffet, Pat, Brenda, etc. Why is Kim different? Nobody hated Marsha Sharp when she won, or Judy Conradt. Why Kim??

There have been many coaching feuds regarding what is perceived as recruiting violations. Pat Summit (may she RIP) and Geno Auriemma's feud about a recruiting violation ended a very competitive series between Tennessee and UCONN.
http://www.si.com/basketball/2013/02/26/pat-summitt

 

[Soonerbay]

I'm not saying she is right or wrong, I'm just saying we are talking about a situation that happened years ago and nobody knows the full/true story except Mulkey,Griner's parents, and the AAU coaches. It doesn't even matter, she sat with a recruits parents during the game? Who cares? Keep in mind Griner gave a verbal to Baylor in 8th grade, If we had a Brittney Griner in Oklahoma to go along with 4-5 Mcdonalds All Americans around her on an AAU team I'm sure Coach Coale would of been all over it just like Mulkey was.

Maybe not. She has passed on several that were on the campus or wanted to sign.