Trinity Oliver to Baylor

[sybarite]

Actually, Syb, A&M is now #74 and has steadily dropped in rank for the past three years. Colorado is #92 and Mizzou is tied at #111 with...OU.
USNWR is not the be-all-end-all benchmark, but it ain't chopped liver, either. If you don't want to recognize that BU is an "academic leader," that's your business. Just curious--where is OU considered an "academic leader?" Yes, as D-Bo is quick to announce, OU has more National Merit Scholars than any other public institution, and to be sure, that is impressive. But where does that translate into performance in research, publishing, etc? Hey, I sent my daughter to OU and the education she received shaped her life significantly, so I'm not throwing stones--just asking.
Syb, you and Sweetest and others despise BU and KM. Go for it. It doesn't look like their success will taper off any time soon.

But there is more to an institution than the antics of a WBB coach ( cough-hugely successful-cough) And yes, the dreadful way BU football and Title 9 offices shabbily stiff-armed the claims of women reporting sexual assault by football players deserved the housecleaning ordered by their Board of Regents. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else that BU is a great place. Just humbly offering another perspective....

As an ex-academic, I tend to look at schools with regard to the respect that they have among academics, which is often due to publications or performance in research. A lot also has to do with a given area.

At one time, OU was the center of geology and petroleum engineering. That reputation has declined somewhat, although they are still recognized. Various other departments have been ranked high in the past. I don't know that OU has ever been ranked that highly in sciences, but they are at least respected. This is an area in which Baylor has not been highly-regarded. I don't really know of anything for which Baylor is highly respected. Maybe someone could provide an example.

 

[skilledserv]

As an ex-academic, I tend to look at schools with regard to the respect that they have among academics, which is often due to publications or performance in research. A lot also has to do with a given area.

At one time, OU was the center of geology and petroleum engineering. That reputation has declined somewhat, although they are still recognized. Various other departments have been ranked high in the past. I don't know that OU has ever been ranked that highly in sciences, but they are at least respected. This is an area in which Baylor has not been highly-regarded. I don't really know of anything for which Baylor is highly respected. Maybe someone could provide an example.

Baylor is known more for the medical side

 

[sybarite]

http://deadspin.com/rice-mob-performs-baylor-scandal-themed-halftime-show-1786745425

 

[tycat947]

http://deadspin.com/rice-mob-performs-baylor-scandal-themed-halftime-show-1786745425

Priceless!

 

[Pike Pastor]

I've appreciated The MOB's edgy humor for decades. They truly are a renegade group-- all volunteer, not an official Rice organization, not everyone is a current student. You'll see people playing everything from trumpets to violins to electric guitars in the MOB. Most Baylor folks knew full well that the assault scandal would provide an easy target for The MOB, so I don't get why any BU fan could be reasonably ticked off. Still, this halftime shows is rather lame compared to their hijinks in the old SWC days... Points for effort and message, though...

 

[True Colors]

Why do you think the other coaches, Voepel, and Sally Jenkins were so disturbed? Have you seen any evidence that Kim Mulkey has moderated or learned from the past? Is she someone of integrity now?

For you to suggest that Jenkins and/or Voepel are in tune with you about Mulkey is laughable. Neither Jenkins nor Voepel considered the recruiting of Griner to be that big of a deal like you do. They wrote a couple of articles about it and then moved on. They did not consider it nearly important enough to drag out year after year after year.

Jenkins has zero credibility anyway. She defended serial cheater/liar/scumbag Lance Armstrong even after he was proven guilty and stripped of his titles.

In the last few years Mechelle Voepel has taken time out to write numerous positive articles about Kim Mulkey and the Lady Bear program.

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...lady-bears-odyssey-sims-soaring-senior-season

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...y-baylor-lady-bears-just-taking-care-business

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...lady-bears-nina-davis-knack-being-right-place

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...bears-coach-kim-mulkey-maintained-big-success

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...nce-baylor-aiming-complete-final-four-mission

 

[sybarite]

For you to suggest that Jenkins and/or Voepel are in tune with you about Mulkey is laughable. Neither Jenkins nor Voepel considered the recruiting of Griner to be that big of a deal like you do. They wrote a couple of articles about it and then moved on. They did not consider it nearly important enough to drag out year after year after year.

Jenkins has zero credibility anyway. She defended serial cheater/liar/scumbag Lance Armstrong even after he was proven guilty and stripped of his titles.

In the last few years Mechelle Voepel has taken time out to write numerous positive articles about Kim Mulkey and the Lady Bear program.

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...lady-bears-odyssey-sims-soaring-senior-season

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...y-baylor-lady-bears-just-taking-care-business

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...lady-bears-nina-davis-knack-being-right-place

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...bears-coach-kim-mulkey-maintained-big-success

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-...nce-baylor-aiming-complete-final-four-mission

Sorry. They wrote the articles. and they were the ones who suggested that other coaches were disturbed. Now, go back to defending the latest Baylor violations----which really show the true colors of Baylor.

 

[True Colors]

Baylor was placed on probation and the NCAA considered the violations to be major infractions.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-accepts-self-imposed-penalties-text-messages

According to the article:

a review of nearly 900,000 phone and text message records found that 738 texts and 528 calls were against the rules.

1,266 out of 900,000 bad. In other words, 99.85% clean.

That would be considered incredibly good at most schools.

TC

 

[Mac]

Alexis Morris is headed to Baylor...

 

[sybarite]

According to the article:

a review of nearly 900,000 phone and text message records found that 738 texts and 528 calls were against the rules.

1,266 out of 900,000 bad. In other words, 99.85% clean.

That would be considered incredibly good at most schools.

TC

Poor Baylor. So persecuted. Let's see. Sampson had 550 calls, no illegal texts, and was fired by OU. OU did it, not the NCAA. In general, your example suggests that if you don't murder 999 people, you shouldn't be convicted of only one. I mean, it's only 0.1%.

The thing is that Baylor doesn't clean its own house, except in reaction to the NCAA or conference. Kim never sees the punches that are thrown until after the NCAA or conference suggests that she look. Long history of that at Baylor. Even tried to hide a murder at one point.

 

[True Colors]

Poor Baylor. So persecuted. Let's see. Sampson had 550 calls, no illegal texts, and was fired by OU. OU did it, not the NCAA. In general, your example suggests that if you don't murder 999 people, you shouldn't be convicted of only one. I mean, it's only 0.1%.

Comparing murder to text messages and phone calls? Really?

You really believe that Kelvin Sampson was fired because OU is so extremely strict with NCAA rules? Really?

Here is what OU athletic director Joe Castiglione had to say when Kelvin Sampson left Oklahoma(FYI - there was no firing):

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=208386184

By Athletics Communications
University of Oklahoma
MARCH 29, 2006

NORMAN, Okla. -- University of Oklahoma Director of Athletics Joe Castiglione met with the media in a press conference at the Kerr McGee Courtside Club at Lloyd Noble Center Wednesday afternoon.

Castiglione addressed the departure of Kelvin Sampson and previewed the search process for the next head coach of the OU men's basketball program.

"I think it is very important for us to express genuine and sincere appreciation to Kelvin Sampson, his family and his staff," said Castiglione.

"Particularly those who have been here for 12 years and all the players who have been here throughout that 12-year period.

"We appreciate what they have done for our program -- it's been very special. We think in many ways that, in part, has helped create a high level of attractiveness and appeal for the University of Oklahoma as we move forward in this search.

"I really appreciate what (Sampson) has done for us and his years of service to the University of Oklahoma. We wish him the very best at the University of Indiana. They are getting a great coach and an even better person."

 

[Pike Pastor]

Whoa, Syb... No one is suggesting BU is unfairly persecuted... The text messages that qualified as infractions were primarily sent by asst. coach D McKinney, and he no longer coaches for BU... And there was never any cover up of th Dennehy murder-- Dotson was arrested quickly. Now Dave Bliss ( cough- former Sooner coach- cough) lost his mind and tried to paint Dennehy as a drug fiend, his skullduggery was revealed and Bliss was booted... And Truly Colorful has presented ample evidence that ESPN has no vendetta against Kim...

 

[sybarite]

Don't try to skate around it. I could have said rape, theft, or any other violation. The point is that a violation is a violation, and a percentage of non-violation is hardly an excuse.

ESPN may not dwell on it. They might if they had Baylor folks defending a position that they made clear was unacceptable. The "mediocre" columnists made a position clear, Mulkey had initiated something they hoped not to see in women's basketball.

Let's see. When was the last time that OU had to have its president resign for his part in a scandal involving athletics? If you want to defend this type of behavior, go to the Baylor board.

 

[Southie]

Bob Stoops allowing Joe Mixon to remain on the football team is up there with some of the stuff Baylor has allowed.

 

[soonerstar]

Bob Stoops allowing Joe Mixon to remain on the football team is up there with some of the stuff Baylor has allowed.

You are spot on. That plus Stoops bringing in DGB from Missouri.

 

[sybarite]

You are spot on. That plus Stoops bringing in DGB from Missouri.

I find it interesting that "OU fans" are so interested in defending Baylor--so willing to say that we are no better.

I'm not pleased with some of Stoops' actions, but did Bob try to hide the fact that Mixon had been involved? Did he deceive anyone on the history of DGB? Did it take an NCAA investigation to get him to admit that Mixon had done something wrong?

 

[True Colors]

The "mediocre" columnists made a position clear, Mulkey had initiated something they hoped not to see in women's basketball.

You are twisting things to fit your own agenda. These two reporters never said what you are suggesting. They never made that big of a deal about it to begin with, and they most definitely did not consider this matter worth dwelling on year after year(like you do). It was a small deal that they mentioned and then they moved on.

In fact, one the columnists that you cite(Voepel) has actually written numerous positive articles about Mulkey and the Lady Bears since 2012.

The most absurd aspect of all of this surely has to be how you actually hold Sally Jenkins up to be some sort of authority when it comes to respect for the rules. Fact is, Sally Jenkins defended one of the biggest cheaters in all of modern sports -- Lance Armstrong -- even after he admitted being a cheater.

The USADA found that Armstrong ran "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

However, with Armstrong it didn't stop there. It wasn't just that Lance Armstrong took performing enhancing substances himself. Disgustingly, he even pressured other people to take them too as a means of enriching himself. He also went so far as to destroy people who dared to speak the truth. He tried to smear and destroy innocent people. Armstrong bullied, harassed, threatened, and even filed numerous bogus lawsuits. He is a complete and total scumbag.

But guess who defends him? Sally Jenkins. Your patron saint of honor and virtue.

TC

 

[Pike Pastor]

(sigh) … Sorry, Syb, but I never learned how to skate. You clearly detest anything Baylor and that’s fine. Yet you have fired off assertions in this thread that are not supported by the facts: The ESPN WBB press hates BU? Baylor covered up murder? OU fired K.Sampson for illegal texting? Nope, nope and nope. If you want to completely dismiss the USNWR listings regarding BU’s standing, go right ahead.
Furthermore, as I indicated above, in no way do I “defend the recent violations” in Waco. The people with ultimate authority, the BU BOR, acted quickly and decisively when presented the non-partisan report and cashiered the coach who had brought the school more immediate football success than anyone in its history. And since the Title 9 office was poorly run, the guy at the top of the administrative chain, the Prez, was held responsible. This doesn’t in any way balance the scales for the pain and suffering of the victims, but it seems to draw a line in the sand that the previous procedures no longer hold sway and have been replaced by much stricter standards. Like everyone else, I will have to wait and see before I’m convinced.

Not trying to be a BU apologist, just casting a different light on things…. Syb, it is a beautiful Sunday afternoon. If you truly embody your handle of “Sybarite,” may you fill this day with good food, drink, music and other desires of the flesh! Best wishes!

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Pike, you don't sound like any pastor I have ever known.

By the way, it is very common for someone to be allowed to "resign" rather than be fired. Did you not realize that?

 

[sybarite]

You are twisting things to fit your own agenda. These two reporters never said what you are suggesting. They never made that big of a deal about it to begin with, and they most definitely did not consider this matter worth dwelling on year after year(like you do). It was a small deal that they mentioned and then they moved on.

In fact, one the columnists that you cite(Voepel) has actually written numerous positive articles about Mulkey and the Lady Bears since 2012.

The most absurd aspect of all of this surely has to be how you actually hold Sally Jenkins up to be some sort of authority when it comes to respect for the rules. Fact is, Sally Jenkins defended one of the biggest cheaters in all of modern sports -- Lance Armstrong -- even after he admitted being a cheater.

The USADA found that Armstrong ran "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

However, with Armstrong it didn't stop there. It wasn't just that Lance Armstrong took performing enhancing substances himself. Disgustingly, he even pressured other people to take them too as a means of enriching himself. He also went so far as to destroy people who dared to speak the truth. He tried to smear and destroy innocent people. Armstrong bullied, harassed, threatened, and even filed numerous bogus lawsuits. He is a complete and total scumbag.

But guess who defends him? Sally Jenkins. Your patron saint of honor and virtue.

TC

Let's see. I posted what they said. Now, you are saying they didn't say it?

Since they no longer write a story a day about how bad Kim's actions were, they now support her? Since the NCAA hasn't sanctioned her in a couple of years, they now like her?

What does Lance Armstrong have to do with anything?

Baylor is like the gift that keeps on giving. If it isn't Bliss, it's Kim. If it isn't Kim, it's Brilles. But, what makes Baylor, "Baylor," is what brought down Paterno at Penn State. Cover it up until it brings down a coach and a university president.

Oh. And, Kim's behavior hasn't changed. She's still good for irresponsible behavior at any time.

If you don't like to see Baylor or Kim criticized, remain on the Baylor board.