Why should OU bring Capel back next year?

[oSuJeff97]

Why do you think KSU hasn't been very good since Stoops got it going? Same for KU and OSU and all of them beat Blake more than 1 time.

I get what you're doing here, but I don't think the analogy applies to OSU and maybe not KU.

OSU may not have beaten OU much since Stoops arrived, but I would argue that 2006-10 has been the most successful stretch in OSU football history.... all of this while Stoops was at OU.

None of those OSU teams that beat the Blake-coached OU teams were particularly good, excpet the 1997 team. None of the others had winning records.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I get what you're doing here, but I don't think the analogy applies to OSU and maybe not KU.

OSU may not have beaten OU much since Stoops arrived, but I would argue that 2006-10 has been the most successful stretch in OSU football history.... all of this while Stoops was at OU.

None of those OSU teams that beat the Blake-coached OU teams were particularly good, excpet the 1997 team. None of the others had winning records.

I was saying back when Blake was the coach all 3 programs were better than ours. I wasn't trying to insinuate OSU hasn't had any success since then because they have.

 

[bgrch1350]

Why is it unrealistic. OU used to have coaches that won 20 games virtually EVERY year. In fact, some posters used to discount that accomplishment, since "what is so hard about winning 20 games?"

Should a guy be paid more than $100,000 per win? Or more than $250,000 per conference win?

Unlike Tubbs and Sampson...Capel has to recruit against a way tougher big 12 and b/c of the internet its hard to recruit anyone under the radar like Tubbs and Sampson was capable of doing.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Unlike Tubbs and Sampson...Capel has to recruit against a way tougher big 12 and b/c of the internet its hard to recruit anyone under the radar like Tubbs and Sampson was capable of doing.

The only reason the big 12 is tougher now is because we are a bad program. When Sampson coached, KSU, aTm, and Baylor were nobody's and that was because he was outrecruiting them and beating them on the floor.

Capel is the reason those programs have gotten better. Just look at the timeline of their improvement and our decline.

 

[afaSooner]

Why should OU bring back anyone?

Fire Capel reason why he listens to rap music and texted an old recruit shameful to have a life outside of OKLAHOMA.

Fire Sherri because she is Sherri and ends her name in i, come on now, and they lost to TCU.

Fire Stoops because he lost some games and hasn't won a National Title in years and he has put on some weight not keeping in shape like he should, we don't want a Mark Mangino on the sidelines again.

Fire Joe C because he has brought most of them here and he is losing his hair.

Fire Boren because of who he is.

Fire Sunny because of the mustache and if they do win the jump in a pile don't they know some one could get hurt.

And the rest of OU coaches in other sports get rid of them.

They all suck they don't win year in year out and they have lost games before and that is not acceptable at OU so....FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!

Hey can I be fired too?

 

[schoonerdriver]

Really? Tubbs took OU to the NIT championship his second season and to the great 8 by his 4th. Season. He succeeded pretty quickly.

Sampson won National Coach of the Year his first season and took OU to the NCAA his first year.

How is Capel substantially different? He went to the great 8 one year earlier than Tubbs. Thedifference is Capel came to OU when the program was established as a top 20 college basketball program not that he succeeded to fast.

Just explain his system to me. If one freaking Capel supporter could explain what he is trying to do, I might be able to actually believe in the guy. Every year Capel's team is not that good at defense.

In 2007 OU was 17th at defense. 2008 OU was 32nd. 2009 OU was 36th. 2010 OU was 171. This year (and it is going to get worse) OU is 133. There is a trend in those numbers just in case you have missed it, that trend is that OU played good defense before Capel got to OU and it has slowly deteriorated each and every season. With that said, it will be a challenge for Capel to do worse than last year but I do have faith in him when it comes to this particular issue.

Wow! You can see the clear cut off after the last of the Sampson coached players graduated in 2009 and that can't be just coincidence. This is also one of the areas Capel was supposedly concentrating on this year.

 

[bgrch1350]

The only reason the big 12 is tougher now is because we are a bad program. When Sampson coached, KSU, aTm, and Baylor were nobody's and that was because he was outrecruiting them and beating them on the floor.

Capel is the reason those programs have gotten better. Just look at the timeline of their improvement and our decline.

Blaming Capel for other teams getting better....your a joke

People who think Tubbs would do better is only fooling themselves. Tubbs coached in the big 8...remember that conference??? a league made up of OU, OSU and KU...and then there was KST, COL, ISU, Mizzou, and NEB.

Sampson only had to deal with a league that was slowly getting better

And Capel is dealing with the 2nd best league in the country. Mizzou, OSU, aTm, Bay, Tex, KST, and KU

If Sampson or Tubbs had to do their rebuilding in this league, they would have had some bad seasons also. If you all think other wise, then your just being Naive.

 

[bgrch1350]

Really? Tubbs took OU to the NIT championship his second season and to the great 8 by his 4th. Season. He succeeded pretty quickly.

Sampson won National Coach of the Year his first season and took OU to the NCAA his first year.

How is Capel substantially different? He went to the great 8 one year earlier than Tubbs. Thedifference is Capel came to OU when the program was established as a top 20 college basketball program not that he succeeded to fast.

Just explain his system to me. If one freaking Capel supporter could explain what he is trying to do, I might be able to actually believe in the guy. Every year Capel's team is not that good at defense.

In 2007 OU was 17th at defense. 2008 OU was 32nd. 2009 OU was 36th. 2010 OU was 171. This year (and it is going to get worse) OU is 133. There is a trend in those numbers just in case you have missed it, that trend is that OU played good defense before Capel got to OU and it has slowly deteriorated each and every season. With that said, it will be a challenge for Capel to do worse than last year but I do have faith in him when it comes to this particular issue.

Wow, Tubbs took us too the NIT championship game...That is awesome. Capel took us to the tournament in his 2nd year and to the elite 8 in his 3rd

Sampson won coach of the year in his 1st year at OU...awesome...in the big 8...With no Tex, aTm, Baylor, or TT. 3 of those 4 are now ranked in the top 16.

 

[StatGeek]

Unlike Tubbs and Sampson...Capel has to recruit against a way tougher big 12 and b/c of the internet its hard to recruit anyone under the radar like Tubbs and Sampson was capable of doing.

So Capel has fallen victim to the Internet? I think I've heard every possible excuse now! True genius analysis, bravo!

 

[bgrch1350]

Really? Tubbs took OU to the NIT championship his second season and to the great 8 by his 4th. Season. He succeeded pretty quickly.

Sampson won National Coach of the Year his first season and took OU to the NCAA his first year.

How is Capel substantially different? He went to the great 8 one year earlier than Tubbs. Thedifference is Capel came to OU when the program was established as a top 20 college basketball program not that he succeeded to fast.

Just explain his system to me. If one freaking Capel supporter could explain what he is trying to do, I might be able to actually believe in the guy. Every year Capel's team is not that good at defense.

In 2007 OU was 17th at defense. 2008 OU was 32nd. 2009 OU was 36th. 2010 OU was 171. This year (and it is going to get worse) OU is 133. There is a trend in those numbers just in case you have missed it, that trend is that OU played good defense before Capel got to OU and it has slowly deteriorated each and every season. With that said, it will be a challenge for Capel to do worse than last year but I do have faith in him when it comes to this particular issue.

Wow, Tubbs took us too the NIT championship game...That is awesome. Capel took us to the tournament in his 2nd year and to the elite 8 in his 3rd

Sampson won coach of the year in his 1st year at OU...awesome...in the big 8...With no Tex, aTm, Baylor, or TT. 3 of those 4 are now ranked in the top 16.

Sampson also had Ryan Minor there in his 1st year. But we can give Sampson the credit and not Minor but we can't give Capel the credit b/c we have to give Griffin all the credit. Even though Minor was already there when Sampson took over and Capel recruited and brought in Griffin.

Sampson also left OU with problems with the NCAA when he left and he also left Capel with absolutely no one on the roster....but even though Capel managed to get that team above .500 no credit is given to Capel.

So if you want to compare lets compare.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Blaming Capel for other teams getting better....your a joke

People who think Tubbs would do better is only fooling themselves. Tubbs coached in the big 8...remember that conference??? a league made up of OU, OSU and KU...and then there was KST, COL, ISU, Mizzou, and NEB.

Sampson only had to deal with a league that was slowly getting better

And Capel is dealing with the 2nd best league in the country. Mizzou, OSU, aTm, Bay, Tex, KST, and KU

If Sampson or Tubbs had to do their rebuilding in this league, they would have had some bad seasons also. If you all think other wise, then your just being Naive.

The joke is that you can't see that Baylor, ksu, and aTm all inspired as OU went down. Sampson and Tubbs recruited Texas very heavily. Both Baylor and aTm have rosters filled with Texas players.

 

[coolm]

quite honestly I don't doubt at all that teams have gotten better as a result of our demise.

not saying our demise is the only factor, but they benefited from getting players that WE would have wrapped up otherwise.

 

[NickZepp]

Are programs like Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas A&M really better than Oklahoma was when they were arguably the 2nd best program under Sampson and the best program in the conference under Tubbs? I say no on all accounts. And I don't think Texas right now is that good either but they they are probably closer because they've been good for basically 11 or 12 years.

My point is if this program is where it should be I think we would be talking more about how good KU is and that they would be the only team we fear not how good Texas A&M or Baylor is.

 

[StatGeek]

Blaming Capel for other teams getting better....your a joke

People who think Tubbs would do better is only fooling themselves. Tubbs coached in the big 8...remember that conference??? a league made up of OU, OSU and KU...and then there was KST, COL, ISU, Mizzou, and NEB.

Sampson only had to deal with a league that was slowly getting better

And Capel is dealing with the 2nd best league in the country. Mizzou, OSU, aTm, Bay, Tex, KST, and KU

If Sampson or Tubbs had to do their rebuilding in this league, they would have had some bad seasons also. If you all think other wise, then your just being Naive.

So the league magically matured after Sampson's departure? Those are some good teams you listed above, care to lecture us on how good Texas Tech, Colorado, Nebraska, and Iowa State are? Because we will finish behind them also. How come all these good teams can handle this tough matured conference and we can't? I mean for the first 10 or so years of the conference we were better than all of them except Kansas, did these other teams have better Internet connections or what?

Since we are playing a conference strength excuse why don't you list your projected finish for OU in the following conferences? Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big East, PAC 10, MVC, A10, etc.. After this evaluation I think even you will realize that our conference isn't our problem. On a positive note we can finish no lower than 10th next year!

For the record I have never called for Capel to be fired, nor am I doing so now. But some of these "supportive" posts are complete non-sense.

 

[bgrch1350]

The joke is that you can't see that Baylor, ksu, and aTm all inspired as OU went down. Sampson and Tubbs recruited Texas very heavily. Both Baylor and aTm have rosters filled with Texas players.

Maybe KST got better b/c a guy named Huggins came in and brought with him Walker and Beasley. I can already see that KST will be heading back down to the bottom of the big 12 after this year.

Tubbs was in a better conference(Big 8) so of course the Texas players are going to go OU. Thats what you don't understand. So now that Baylor, Texas, and aTm now have solid coach's, Texas players don't have to go out of state to OU and OSU and KU to be in a solid conference, they can stay at Bay, and Tex, and aTm in their home state with solid coach's and compete in the big 12.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Maybe KST got better b/c a guy named Huggins came in and brought with him Walker and Beasley. I can already see that KST will be heading back down to the bottom of the big 12 after this year.

Tubbs was in a better conference(Big 8) so of course the Texas players are going to go OU. Thats what you don't understand. So now that Baylor, Texas, and aTm now have solid coach's, Texas players don't have to go out of state to OU and OSU and KU to be in a solid conference, they can stay at Bay, and Tex, and aTm in their home state with solid coach's and compete in the big 12.

Dave bliss was a better coach than the kid at Baylor yet he never beat Oklahoma. Bobby Knight is a legend yet he never finished ahead of Sampson. Barnes was at Texas for a long time before Capel and he still has a losing record vs OU yet he's not had a problem beating Capel.

Gillespie was the first competent coach in CS yet he couldn't hardly beat Sampson either and if you think Turgeon would be beating OU with Sampson at the same pace he is beating us with Capel then you are deluded.

I wasn't talking about Tubbs because he didn't recruit Texas as much as KS. Tubbs always went after the juco kids and he'd find some kind in Nevada who fit his system.

And I will admit KSU doesn't recruit against us much but they have benefitted from our demise.

 

[bgrch1350]

So the league magically matured after Sampson's departure? Those are some good teams you listed above, care to lecture us on how good Texas Tech, Colorado, Nebraska, and Iowa State are? Because we will finish behind them also. How come all these good teams can handle this tough matured conference and we can't? I mean for the first 10 or so years of the conference we were better than all of them except Kansas, did these other teams have better Internet connections or what?

Since we are playing a conference strength excuse why don't you list your projected finish for OU in the following conferences? Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big East, PAC 10, MVC, A10, etc.. After this evaluation I think even you will realize that our conference isn't our problem. On a positive note we can finish no lower than 10th next year!

For the record I have never called for Capel to be fired, nor am I doing so now. But some of these "supportive" posts are complete non-sense.

How do you know that we will finish behind Col, Neb, ISU, and TT???? I didn't know that they could handle this conference since we are only 1 game into it???

The league hasn't matured/gotten better since Sampson left...it was getting better while he was here. In Sampson's last 2 years here, aTm, TT, Tex, OSU, and KU were all in the NCAA tourney. In Capels first year, Bob Huggins took over KST and was a hair away from making the tourney. Drew had Bay looking good as well.

So again, the league didnt get better when Capel took over, it was getting better before Sampson bailed. Huggins and Drew has put this league into the top 3 of all the leagues. And now that mizzou has Anderson; rebuilding seasons...which is what we were in last year...but b/c 3 guys left it has put us in it again this year...will not be pleasant for any school.

So this year, we take the lumps this season, and we get back next season.

 

[bgrch1350]

Dave bliss was a better coach than the kid at Baylor yet he never beat Oklahoma. Bobby Knight is a legend yet he never finished ahead of Sampson. Barnes was at Texas for a long time before Capel and he still has a losing record vs OU yet he's not had a problem beating Capel.

Gillespie was the first competent coach in CS yet he couldn't hardly beat Sampson either and if you think Turgeon would be beating OU with Sampson at the same pace he is beating us with Capel then you are deluded.

I wasn't talking about Tubbs because he didn't recruit Texas as much as KS. Tubbs always went after the juco kids and he'd find some kind in Nevada who fit his system.

And I will admit KSU doesn't recruit against us much but they have benefitted from our demise.

Really, Bliss is a better coach than Drew????


The end!!!

 

[NickZepp]

The rest of the conference doesn't matter. Fact is we aren't competing with any of those teams because we are bad and not well coached frankly. It's like saying the football in the 90s Big 8-Big 12 got better when OU was bad. It was not about that. Bob Stoops proved that after 2 good years of a good coach and has that still been dominating the conference today. Big 12 basketball isn't really that much different from when it had 4 2 seeds or better in 2003 or had Final Four teams all throughout the 2000s. It's not much different now. It's still a good conference, kinda weaker on the bottom maybe but still a good conference. The only difference is we aren't any good and probably the worst coached team in the league.

 

[Max Power]

How do you know that we will finish behind Col, Neb, ISU, and TT???? I didn't know that they could handle this conference since we are only 1 game into it???

The league hasn't matured/gotten better since Sampson left...it was getting better while he was here. In Sampson's last 2 years here, aTm, TT, Tex, OSU, and KU were all in the NCAA tourney. In Capels first year, Bob Huggins took over KST and was a hair away from making the tourney. Drew had Bay looking good as well.

So again, the league didnt get better when Capel took over, it was getting better before Sampson bailed. Huggins and Drew has put this league into the top 3 of all the leagues. And now that mizzou has Anderson; rebuilding seasons...which is what we were in last year...but b/c 3 guys left it has put us in it again this year...will not be pleasant for any school.

So this year, we take the lumps this season, and we get back next season.

I hope you are right, and really want you to be. I feel like i am in a bad dream that has lasted a year and a half now with no signs of an alarm going off to wake me up