Best backcourt in the league... who ya got?

[Max Power]

You act like its an NCAA violation. This isn't like Tiny getting money from that one dude.

Let's do something nice for our team, abd.

Here I will get you started:

Nick Thompson (6'9" 212):

But Big Time, you are assuming that abd is an OU fan.

 

[BigTime]

But Big Time, you are assuming that abd is an OU fan.

I wish he would bring back his LL avatar from the old board. It always brought me comfort when I would begin to be a doubting Thomas.

 

[thebigabd]

You act like its an NCAA violation. This isn't like Tiny getting money from that one dude.

Let's do something nice for our team, abd.

Here I will get you started:

Nick Thompson (6'9" 212):

Im actually pretty intrigued by Nick Thompson... 6'9'' 220 (from last report), can put the ball on the floor, 40% 3pt shooter, hardest worker on the team. He is starting to make me think he will start over CJ at the PF spot, which would be good for size.

Part of me thinks he had poor juco numbers because he played small forward on the perimeter for them... Otherwise his points and rebounds would have been better.

 

[thebigabd]

I wish he would bring back his LL avatar from the old board. It always brought me comfort when I would begin to be a doubting Thomas.

Rank the conference and we will come up with a new avatar bet.

 

[BigTime]

Rank the conference and we will come up with a new avatar bet.

I not going to lie bud; I'm scared to rank the conference. My rankings last year got absolutely destroyed. Give me a week or two to muster up some courage.

Between you, DFdub, and Dignon, old BT got sent through the ringer multiple times.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Are you out of your mind? Cory Higgins has been an all-league performer for 3 years, and is better in every way imaginable than Cade Davis, lol. Come on, I know Cade is a likeable guy but thats just a ridiculous comment.

Higgins is a 20ppg guy and his percentages are ridiculous. Leads Big 12 in steals, shoots 50% from the field, 36% from deep, 83% from the line.

You just can't compare a guy like Higgins and a guy like Davis. In fact, Cade had 8 points in 39 minutes against CU last year and Higgins had 18 points in 33 minutes.



The guy averaged 17 points and 5 rebounds per game in high-level D1 basketball. He was the 2nd best freshman in the country behind John Wall. You dont say that someone who has no experience is better than a guy like that.

Hopefully Cam has a season like Burks, and I actually think they can be similar players with Cam being a better shooter, which would be great. Should be a great matchup this year.



Cade isnt going to average 13-15 a game. He isnt good enough. Sorry, he just isnt.

I gave Higgins the edge didn't I? And as far as what Cade did against CU it is irrelevant...I personally think that Cade is going to be the first or second option at OU this season as opposed to being behind Warren, TMG, Gallon and Crocker. You think he won't get another 3-5 points per game, I do. You say "he just isn't that good", I think he is, I conceded that Higgins is a better player, not sure what else you want me to do there.

Burks was the second best freshman in the country last season? Not sure if you are being serious on that one, but I'll respectfully disagree. In any event, the guy came in as a freshman and admittedly did some damage, but I see no reason why Cam doesn't have the potential to do the same thing with the same opportunity (which I believe he will get). He was more highly thought of coming out of High School and has an opportunity to be his teams first or second option right out of the gate.

Now why don't you throw Sharpe in your retort? You just included him in the best back court in the conference, and yet he has never played a D-1 game and yet you just told me stupid for throwing Cam out there as having a chance to do what Burks did under similar circumstances. Also, why no discussion of depth? Unfortunately, guys gassed in games and dinged up through the season, if Higgins, Burks or Sharpe can't go or have foul trouble or just get gassed, who is CU throwing out there? You saying CU has better depth than OU?

To be clear, you post quite a bit on the talent level at places like ISU, CU, NU and Tech. You also post quite a bit on the upgrade JUCO's will bring to those teams, but in every instance you throw out the most positive spin imaginable and challenge people to prove you wrong (which given the level of success those teams have consistently had, you must be more often than not)...but an OU fan on "ouhoops.com" has positive things to say about OU's situation and you carry on like a loon about how stupid they must be. Pardon me for questioning where you are coming from in some of these comparisons.

 

[BigTime]

I gave Higgins the edge didn't I? And as far as what Cade did against CU it is irrelevant...I personally think that Cade is going to be the first or second option at OU this season as opposed to being behind Warren, TMG, Gallon and Crocker. You think he won't get another 3-5 points per game, I do. You say "he just isn't that good", I think he is, I conceded that Higgins is a better player, not sure what else you want me to do there.

Burks was the second best freshman in the country last season? Not sure if you are being serious on that one, but I'll respectfully disagree. In any event, the guy came in as a freshman and admittedly did some damage, but I see no reason why Cam doesn't have the potential to do the same thing with the same opportunity (which I believe he will get). He was more highly thought of coming out of High School and has an opportunity to be his teams first or second option right out of the gate.

Now why don't you throw Sharpe in your retort? You just included him in the best back court in the conference, and yet he has never played a D-1 game and yet you just told me stupid for throwing Cam out there as having a chance to do what Burks did under similar circumstances. Also, why no discussion of depth? Unfortunately, guys gassed in games and dinged up through the season, if Higgins, Burks or Sharpe can't go or have foul trouble or just get gassed, who is CU throwing out there? You saying CU has better depth than OU?

To be clear, you post quite a bit on the talent level at places like ISU, CU, NU and Tech. You also post quite a bit on the upgrade JUCO's will bring to those teams, but in every instance you throw out the most positive spin imaginable and challenge people to prove you wrong (which given the level of success those teams have consistently had, you must be more often than not)...but an OU fan on "ouhoops.com" has positive things to say about OU's situation and you carry on like a loon about how stupid they must be. Pardon me for questioning where you are coming from in some of these comparisons.

You see ABDs big thing is being right. He will defend programs and players (like Tairu) to the death for the sake of being right. Most of us just want OU basketball to do well. Yeah, it IS great being right, but if my Sooners are doing well then I would gladly be wrong on every message board that I post on.

What we need to do is somehow light a fire under abd under one of our guys, and then make him want to be right about that guy.

Abd,

Thompson is going to be horrible. Dude couldn't even put up double figures in JUCO. You are just saying that he is "Nice" because he went to OU. Homer.



(Trap set).

 

[thebigabd]

I not going to lie bud; I'm scared to rank the conference. My rankings last year got absolutely destroyed. Give me a week or two to muster up some courage.

Between you, DFdub, and Dignon, old BT got sent through the ringer multiple times.

Ha, no problem buddy. Take your time.

Burks was the second best freshman in the country last season? Not sure if you are being serious on that one, but I'll respectfully disagree.

Thats fine, but he was.

and yet you just told me stupid for throwing Cam out there as having a chance to do what Burks did under similar circumstances.

Ive made a thread before saying that Cam has Alec Burks type ability (with better shooter and lesser ball-handling)... It actually wouldnt surprise me to see Cam average 15-16 a game like Burks did. I will concede on that one.

You say "he just isn't that good", I think he is,

Alright, but if you are right and Cade is the #1 option I think most would agree the team is in trouble.

The top options will be Cam, Newell, Fitz, and Pledger in my opinion. And thats a good thing for OU basketball.

if Higgins, Burks or Sharpe can't go or have foul trouble or just get gassed, who is CU throwing out there? You saying CU has better depth than OU?

They have a solid two-year starter at point guard, Nate Tomlinson. He is a good shooter and is more experience and probably better than Blair. Maybe a push though.

Their backup 1,2,3 is actually Marcus Relphorde, who is 6'7'' but plays every position on the floor. He brings the ball up, plays SG, plays SF, plays PF. he averaged 11 ppg last year.

They will have Andre Roberson and Levi Knutson as the other backups... not sure what to think on them. OU has better guys off the bench than those two.

 

[Max Power]

Ha, no problem buddy. Take your time.



Thats fine, but he was.



Ive made a thread before saying that Cam has Alec Burks type ability (with better shooter and lesser ball-handling)... It actually wouldnt surprise me to see Cam average 15-16 a game like Burks did. I will concede on that one.



Alright, but if you are right and Cade is the #1 option I think most would agree the team is in trouble.

The top options will be Cam, Newell, Fitz, and Pledger in my opinion. And thats a good thing for OU basketball.



They have a solid two-year starter at point guard, Nate Tomlinson. He is a good shooter and is more experience and probably better than Blair. Probably a push though.

Their backup 1,2,3 is actually Marcus Relphorde, who is 6'7'' but plays every position on the floor. He brings the ball up, plays SG, plays SF, plays PF. he averaged 11 ppg last year.

They will have Andre Roberson and Levi Knutson as the other backups... not sure what to think on them. OU has better guys off the bench than those two.

Then why is he back in school and not making millions?

 

[thebigabd]

Then why is he back in school and not making millions?

I don't know, ask Blake Griffin.

Some guys do that.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

abd,

Here is what I am having a tough time wrapping my mind around, you say CU has two of the top players in the conference (and one is presumabely going to be the best sophomore in the country based on his competition leaving for the NBA draft), who will join with a freshman point guard, and a couple of other guys to form the best back court in the conference, and yet you pick them to be eighth in the conferene earlier this week. Seriously, EIGHTH?!?!?

 

[BigTime]

Burks > Blake Griffin


Do any of the old timers remember when abd actually rooted for OU basketball? When I was in HS I used to read abd's posts and be like "That guy loves him some sooner basketball"

I miss those days.

 

[thebigabd]

Here is what I am having a tough time wrapping my mind around, you say CU has two of the top players in the conference (and one is presumabely going to be the best sophomore in the country based on his competition leaving for the NBA draft), who will join with a freshman point guard, and a couple of other guys to form the best back court in the conference, and yet you pick them to be eighth in the conferene earlier this week. Seriously, EIGHTH?!?!?

I also said if they can rebound they will finish higher, but I don't have much confidence in them doing that. They were so bad defending the post and rebounding last year, and they didnt add anyone new.

Burks > Blake Griffin

Haha, come on... cut me some slack here.

Do any of the old timers remember when abd actual rooted for OU basketball? When I was in HS I used to read abd's posts and be like "That guy loves him some sooner basketball"

I used to be the biggest OU homer in the world... I just havent had much confidence in the program during the Jeff Capel regime outside of that one year. The team is under .500 without him, has had all sorts of problems on and off the court, and im just not used to that.

Ive been actively following and rooting for OU basketball since 1994, and will continue to do so. But I wont be very cheery unless things get turned around. Hopefully they will sooner rather than later.

As for me pimping other teams or players for other teams, I have always done that. I just always had OU above them, because OU was better back then.

 

[Sam]

Newell > Sharpe

Cousins was better than Burks last year.

Also BigTime, was that back when they had dial up AOL style internet when you were in high school?

 

[boksooner]

In addition to Cousins, you could but Favors, Aminu, Whiteside and Henry ahead of Burks

 

[Sam]

I would definitely say Henry as well, because if he had been on a bad team as the number 2 option and given free reign he would've put up similar if not better numbers.

 

[thebigabd]

In addition to Cousins, you could but Favors, Aminu, Whiteside and Henry ahead of Burks

I should have said freshman guard... i wasnt even thinking of cousins, favors, and whiteside. I didnt even consider post players at all.

 

[BigTime]

I also said if they can rebound they will finish higher, but I don't have much confidence in them doing that. They were so bad defending the post and rebounding last year, and they didnt add anyone new.



Haha, come on... cut me some slack here.



I used to be the biggest OU homer in the world... I just havent had much confidence in the program during the Jeff Capel regime outside of that one year. The team is under .500 without him, has had all sorts of problems on and off the court, and im just not used to that.

Ive been actively following and rooting for OU basketball since 1994, and will continue to do so. But I wont be very cheery unless things get turned around. Hopefully they will sooner rather than later.

As for me pimping other teams or players for other teams, I have always done that. I just always had OU above them, because OU was better back then.

Your team needs you now. It's easy to be a fan when things are going well. Do your part and let's get an extra 10-14 butts in the seats thanks to your pimping skills.

Its sad when I have to beat you in a sig bet for you to put a picture of an OU basketball related figure as your avatar (I really do love the Tulsa Driller though).

 

[Mr.B!!!]

If they can rebound they will finish higher than eighth in the conference? With two of the top five players in the conference in Higgins and Burks (the best sophomore in the country since his competition left) who along with Sharpe and backups collectively form the best back court in the conference, they should finsih AT LEAST in the top half of the conference, and be an NCAA type team, eighth in the conference is borderline NIT in what most agree is a down year for the B12.

I think that being "right" is what is important to you, you 've got two good stats guys to start with throw in an unproven point and christen them the best back-court in the conference BUT, just in case they suck A-G-A-I-N and fail to make the NCAA, you can always say that "Hey, I picked them eighth...with the caveat that they needed to rebound better."

 

[Max Power]

I should have said freshman guard... i wasnt even thinking of cousins, favors, and whiteside. I didnt even consider post players at all.

OK, after you mde qualification,Burke might have been the 2nd best Guard in college basketball, might have been. I still think Henry and Wall were both better.