Best backcourt in the league... who ya got?

Mr.B!!! said:
If they can rebound they will finish higher than eighth in the conference? With two of the top five players in the conference in Higgins and Burks (the best sophomore in the country since his competition left) who along with Sharpe and backups collectively form the best back court in the conference, they should finsih AT LEAST in the top half of the conference, and be an NCAA type team, eighth in the conference is borderline NIT in what most agree is a down year for the B12.

I think that being "right" is what is important to you, you 've got two good stats guys to start with throw in an unproven point and christen them the best back-court in the conference BUT, just in case they suck A-G-A-I-N and fail to make the NCAA, you can always say that "Hey, I picked them eighth...with the caveat that they needed to rebound better."
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I don't think you realize how awful they are at rebounding and post defense...


  • Only team in the Big 12 to not collect 1000 rebounds on the season (they had 884)
  • Got outrebounded by 7.5 a game, worst in the Big 12 by a wide margin.
  • Last place in blocked shots
  • Last place in offensive rebounding by a wide margin
  • Last place in defensive rebounding
  • Ranked 325th out of 334 nationally in rebounding

Thats atrocious. I dont care what your guard talent is, you can't rebound like that and win a lot. They were in games all year that they should have won, but didnt because they couldnt grab a freakin rebound.

I live in Colorado, and watched almost all of their games.

They should have beaten Gonzaga, Arizona, Oregon State, K-State, ISU, KU, and a few others. But they cant rebound the freakin ball.

They lost all those games by just a few points (KU, Arizona in OT) and got killed on the glass.
 
thebigabd said:
I don't think you realize how awful they are at rebounding and post defense...


  • Only team in the Big 12 to not collect 1000 rebounds on the season (they had 884)
  • Got outrebounded by 7.5 a game, worst in the Big 12 by a wide margin.
  • Last place in blocked shots
  • Last place in offensive rebounding by a wide margin
  • Last place in defensive rebounding
  • Ranked 325th out of 334 nationally in rebounding

Thats atrocious. I dont care what your guard talent is, you can't rebound like that and win a lot. They were in games all year that they should have won, but didnt because they couldnt grab a freakin rebound.

I live in Colorado, and watched almost all of their games.

They should have beaten Gonzaga, Arizona, Oregon State, K-State, ISU, KU, and a few others. But they cant rebound the freakin ball.

They lost all those games by just a few points (KU, Arizona in OT) and got killed on the glass.
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Duly noted. Still think it is absurd to have two of the best five players in the conference, the best sophomore guard in the country and finish eighth...have to blame the coach for that. He either can't recruit big men, or he can't teach them to be better rebounders, or he can't motivate them to give the appropriate effort. If CU doesn't get it done this season, that coach may be in a world of hurt without Higgins (and likely Burks). New coach may help that situation.
 
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Still think it is absurd to have two of the best five players in the conference
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They have one of the top 5 players, not two.

He either can't recruit big men, or he can't teach them to be better rebounders, or he can't motivate them to give the appropriate effort. If CU doesn't get it done this season, that coach may be in a world of hurt without Higgins (and likely Burks). New coach may help that situation.
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They have no talent in the post, and that is the coaches fault. That coach is now at Wake Forest, and this is their last season in the Big 12.

I don't give a crap what happens to them after this season, because they wont be in the Big 12 anymore.
 
Mr.B!!! said:
Two of the Top 10? For sure being first round picks (one a potential lottery pick) would put them in the discussion.
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I dont think higgins will go in the first round... Jacob Pullen and Lace Dunn are better SG's than Higgins.
 
Well then I think you have to back off of the "best backcourt" being CU then when you throw an unproven point guard into the mix. Would you rank SG as follows:

1. Burks
2. Pullen
3. Dunn
4. Higgins
 
Mr.B!!! said:
Well then I think you have to back off of the "best backcourt" being CU then when you throw an unproven point guard into the mix. Would you rank SG as follows:

1. Burks
2. Pullen
3. Dunn
4. Higgins
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Yea, but consider that Pullen and Dunn are All-American caliber players. So CU having 2 guys on that list is pretty impressive, wouldnt you say?
 
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thebigabd is awesome. People that don't like thebigabd are a bummer.
 
Well OSU has the two best gaurds in the leauge that are under 5'9. :)
 
From what he has said OSU is the team to beat right now. They have pulled ahead of Baylor. The team that is sneaking in the mix is KU, which worries me a little.
He has said that he wants to be the face of a program and I think he will have a better shot to do that at OSU than KU.
That being said I never try to predict what an 18 year old kid will do
 
propoke said:
From what he has said OSU is the team to beat right now. They have pulled ahead of Baylor. The team that is sneaking in the mix is KU, which worries me a little.
He has said that he wants to be the face of a program and I think he will have a better shot to do that at OSU than KU.
That being said I never try to predict what an 18 year old kid will do
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That's what I have been hearing as well. I'm sure the Eaton angle is a major player here. He has all the talent in the world. I have seen him play three times and have always come away impressed. From what I have heard his attitude leaves a lot to be desired (he's no James Anderson) but that can always change with the right coaching staff.
 
thebigabd said:
Yea, but consider that Pullen and Dunn are All-American caliber players. So CU having 2 guys on that list is pretty impressive, wouldnt you say?
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It is, but like I said before, your argument loses steam with the inclusion of a freshman point guard and your inability to give other players (specifically Cam) the same benefit of the doubt you have given to said freshman point guard.

That was my real point, you've never pimped OU's back court when it has a a player who you admit has the potential to match what Burks did last season, has more experience at point guard and a player with comparable high school statistics, and a senior that you think isn't that good, but a solid case could be made for his role expanding and being better, better than Higgins, no, but not that far off.

Don't even get me started that if CU had brought in a JUCO AA rebounding machine how great he would be. I don't hang on your every post, but in this thread you've said that you refuse to get excited about OU until they show you some things, but you don't seem to have the same problem with other schools, I find it weird.
 
has more experience at point guard
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They have a 2-year starter returning at point guard who is just fine... I have just heard that Sharpe is better.

I don't hang on your every post, but in this thread you've said that you refuse to get excited about OU until they show you some things, but you don't seem to have the same problem with other schools, I find it weird.
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They have two all-conference players, a returning 2 year starter at PG, and a RS-Freshman who is 3 years removed from high school. It is a VERY safe bet that they will have a better backcourt than Oklahoma.

As for getting excited, how could you not be excited about Cam Clark and Calvin Newell? Those are both extremely high-level guys that would be big pieces for any school.

and a senior that you think isn't that good, but a solid case could be made for his role expanding and being better, better than Higgins, no, but not that far off.
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If I lined up every coach in college basketball, I would guess that all 334 would say that Cory Higgins is a much better player than Cade Davis, and all 334 would choose Higgins.

It IS that far off. There is not one thing Cade does better on a basketball court than Cory Higgins, not ONE thing. Im not trying to rip on Cade, and I hate saying that about him, but I have watched both play a lot for 3 years and its just not a fair comparison for Cade.
 
So now is it the two year starter that is really the better player? Look you included the freshman with no D-1 experience initially, not me. I initially took Blair as being a better option than Sharpe becuase he had more experience, if you wnat to change course and pencil in the other guy, that is fine, but how good could he be if a freshman is going to beat him out.

As far as Higgins v. Davis, where have I said that Cade is better, ummm, nowhere. Instead I have said that an increase in Cade's role should make his statistics more comperable than the complete mismatch that they are presently. Fact is, Cade has seen considerable time seince he was a freshman at OU, but has never been much more than the fourth option on the team. I think he bumps his production up, you say he doesn't.

Finally, you admit that Cam could have the same type of impact as Burks did in his initial campaign. What you want to say is that "could" is not the same as "will", but that screws you on your point guard you threw out there. Cam will have the same opportunity as Burks, being a primary scoring option on a team early and often.

In any event, your highest ranked back court still only has you predicting eigth in the conference with two "all-conference" players on the team. Pardon me for saying it, but that is not the best back-court in the conference, not by a long shot. Maybe those two need to put as much work on getting boards as they do their scoring numbers? Kidding, sort of.
 
In any event, your highest ranked back court still only has you predicting eigth in the conference with two "all-conference" players on the team. Pardon me for saying it, but that is not the best back-court in the conference, not by a long shot. Maybe those two need to put as much work on getting boards as they do their scoring numbers? Kidding, sort of.
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So who is your #1 backcourt? The title of this thread clearly states, "who ya got?".

Instead I have said that an increase in Cade's role should make his statistics more comperable than the complete mismatch that they are presently. Fact is, Cade has seen considerable time seince he was a freshman at OU, but has never been much more than the fourth option on the team. I think he bumps his production up, you say he doesn't.
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Thats fine that you think that, but I think he will continue to be the 4th option. I think Calvin, Cam, Pledger, and Fitz will be the primary guys.

But, again, thats fine. Just a difference of opinion. We will see how it plays out, and if Cade is averaging 13-15 a game and is a #1 or #2 option on the team, I will come back here and say I was wrong.

So now is it the two year starter that is really the better player?
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No, I brought in Tomlinson because you said depth was an issue. I think Sharpe is going to be their guy at PG, but if he isnt, there is a 2 year returning starter in place.

As far as Higgins v. Davis, where have I said that Cade is better, ummm, nowhere.
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You are saying that Higgins is better, but not much better. Thats where the disagreement here is.
 
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I'm not sure, I think I'll go with OU having the best backcourt and front court!

Kidding.
 
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