BYU wants in the Big 12... League says no.

[thebigabd]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11066269/big-12-ads-say-no-discussions-expansion

 

[bocabull]

The Big XII has the best setup of any conference. Virtually every game is on national TV. The conference had 2 BCS teams, 7 basketball teams in the NCAA tournament & has 3 teams in the college World Series.

It's a competitive & financial gold mine. Getting rid of dead weight like Missouri & Colorado was the best thing to ever happen. They should never expand past 10.

 

[WTSooner]

I disagree with Boca.

We're going to expand at some point in the next 5-7 years (at the most). The longer we wait, the worse our choices to choose from will be. IF you can get BYU to play by the rules of everybody else, they'd bring a nice market. Cincy has had solid basketball/football over the years, and would also open up a new market. Cincy would probably need to improve facilities (or did they just do that with football?). Both UCF and USF are intriguing as well.

I'd almost bet there is no way we are a 10 team league in 5 years. Adding any of the schools above SHOULD bring in enough revenue to keep from lowering the revenues we already have. Add in a Big 12 title game, and I think we'd probably be making more per school.

 

[thebigabd]

I am trying to think of a way having BYU in the league is a bad idea. They have an excellent academic and athletic reputation. They are good in the major sports pretty much every year, and I don't know how they do in the "minor" sports.

Seems like adding them could only be good.

 

[WTSooner]

When does the Big 12's tv contract expire? That might be when we expand. Can't remember if it's the regular tv contract, or the Tier 3 Rights thing they all signed. Seems like one of them is over in 3 years or so. Bet something happens then.

 

[WTSooner]

I am trying to think of a way having BYU in the league is a bad idea. They have an excellent academic and athletic reputation. They are good in the major sports pretty much every year, and I don't know how they do in the "minor" sports.

Seems like adding them could only be good.

Refusing to play on Sundays might become an issue. And travel. WVU to BYU, or BYU to a number of places, is a ways to travel. I'm betting WVU already regrets their decision, based on travel alone.

But that also is a problem that cannot be fixed. Their aren't any area teams that make any sense. Gonna have to expand a bit.

 

[bocabull]

lol @ the football title games. Maybe you missed it but the Big XII had 2 games on national tv the Saturday the other conferences had 1 title game. Double the exposure.

The Big XII paid out more $ per team than the SEC & ACC this year. We will never expand. lol @ byu. They are a grade school t-ball program.

 

[garyeb2]

If the TV people decide they want 4 conferences of 16 teams each, then it will end up being 4 conferences of 16 teams each. It is no more complicated than that.

 

[tycat947]

We need BYU like we need a hole in our head! Mendenhall is begging for a spot. No other conference will listen to them so Big 12 is his only option, he thinks. They provide NO ADDED VALUE to the Big 12. None! If they were so valuable, everyone would be after them and they are not! There are no schools that will add value to the Big 12 that is not in a BCS (formerly) conference. We have 2 too many private schools as it is now!

 

[WTSooner]

We will never expand.

Clown statement.

We will leave the Big 12 or expand within 7 years. I'd put money on it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Clown statement.

We will leave the Big 12 or expand within 7 years. I'd put money on it.

i would 100% put money against that ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

I disagree with Boca.

We're going to expand at some point in the next 5-7 years (at the most). The longer we wait, the worse our choices to choose from will be. IF you can get BYU to play by the rules of everybody else, they'd bring a nice market. Cincy has had solid basketball/football over the years, and would also open up a new market. Cincy would probably need to improve facilities (or did they just do that with football?). Both UCF and USF are intriguing as well.

I'd almost bet there is no way we are a 10 team league in 5 years. Adding any of the schools above SHOULD bring in enough revenue to keep from lowering the revenues we already have. Add in a Big 12 title game, and I think we'd probably be making more per school.

the only way we expand is if the ACC falls apart .. and we can expand with FSU clemson ncstate and whomever ..

 

[Swans]

Boca and Gary are right on this IMO. If it's four 16 team leagues the Big 12 will be absorbed by the other conferences. If not, we stay at 10. It only makes sense for scheduling and money

 

[zeptrey]

Yeah...Boca is right. Until the big conferences get fed up with the NCAA, the BIG XII-2-2+2 is going to keep on keeping on. Look at the amount of money OU and UT are generating right now...yeah that's not going to change any time soon. When the conferences get tired of the NCAA and start trying to form their own league...watch out...could get weird.

 

[j2d2]

The best and quickest way I can think of to loose what you have is to sit on it and not improve/expand. BYU has advantages to offer and insignificant disadvantages. What I dont know is how they fit into the rumored new division. Whatever it takes to gety rid of the national communists against athletes dictatorship I'm for -whatever it might be.

 

[sdcloud9]

Barry Trammel said on the Sports Animals that the Mountain West teams hate BYU more than Big 12 teams hate Texas.

He wasn't specific but that's a big statement.

 

[skyvue]

The best and quickest way I can think of to loose what you have is to sit on it and not improve/expand.

I don't really have a strong opinion on this issue (though if I had my way, no conference would be bigger than ten teams -- any conference in which the teams don't play each other in a given football season is too big, in my opinion), BUT plenty of businesses, corporations and organizations have failed precisely because they expanded. Bigger does not always mean better.

 

[tycat947]

Barry Trammel said on the Sports Animals that the Mountain West teams hate BYU more than Big 12 teams hate Texas.

He wasn't specific but that's a big statement.

That may be why they are no longer a part of Mountain West. They left to become independent a couple of years ago and all other sports are part of Big West now, I think. There is absolutely nothing that is of use to the Big 12 with BYU! They know they are in trouble and that's why Mendenhall is spouting off. No other BCS conference is remotely interested. Big East didn't go after them to save themselves.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Random thoughts .....

BYU? No thanks. As an OU fan, the prospect of playing BYU does not interest me at all. In any sport.

I realize that what I like (or what any fan prefers) has no influence on the decisions that are made by college presidents and athletic directors.

16-team conferences are silly. Too big. That is just two Big-8 conferences. I liked the old Big-8 conference, just by itself.

If a 16-team conference is so good, then why not have a 20-team conference? That way, you can have two Big-10’s.

Some teams in the SEC almost never play each other in football, and that was before the recent expansion. In the 2010’s decade, Georgia and LSU played twice. They did not play even one time in the 1960s. Both have been members of the SEC since 1932.

Bigger is not always better.

Just because things change, that does not mean that the new arrangement is better.

In my opinion, conference championship playoff games in football are overrated.

I prefer the round-robin (home-and-home) conference schedule in basketball. You cannot do that with 14, 16, or 29 teams in one conference.

I also prefer the round-robin conference schedule in football, baseball, softball and other sports. Heck, play ‘em all. They are in your conference.

 

[tycat947]

Random thoughts .....

BYU? No thanks. As an OU fan, the prospect of playing BYU does not interest me at all. In any sport.

I realize that what I like (or what any fan prefers) has no influence on the decisions that are made by college presidents and athletic directors.

16-team conferences are silly. Too big. That is just two Big-8 conferences. I liked the old Big-8 conference, just by itself.

If a 16-team conference is so good, then why not have a 20-team conference? That way, you can have two Big-10’s.

Some teams in the SEC almost never play each other in football, and that was before the recent expansion. In the 2010’s decade, Georgia and LSU played twice. They did not play even one time in the 1960s. Both have been members of the SEC since 1932.

Bigger is not always better.

Just because things change, that does not mean that the new arrangement is better.

In my opinion, conference championship playoff games in football are overrated.

I prefer the round-robin (home-and-home) conference schedule in basketball. You cannot do that with 14, 16, or 29 teams in one conference.

I also prefer the round-robin conference schedule in football, baseball, softball and other sports. Heck, play ‘em all. They are in your conference.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Back in 70's and 80's SEC only played 6 conference games when Big 8 was playing all 7 opponents. Alabama rarely played Georgia or anyone that was remotely good so they were always playing in Sugar Bowl. They've played for the betterment of the conference for decades! We ALWAYS had to play Nebraska!