Capel can Coach

SoonerBounce13 said:
Go check around college bball. Its bad everywhere. I don't blame a coach for signing a 5* that hasn't had any problems in the past. You think you would have been happy if capel passed on TMG? Hell no. None of us would have been. A lot of those guys you listed weren't big 12 players. Some of that is capels fault at talent evaluation. Some of it is that we needed to fill some spots. I also don't blame a coach if a kid can't get his **** together in the classroom.

Which reminds me. You keep bringing up how Capel wouldn't punish WW, TMG & gallon, etc for misses activities, class, etc. Have any links to that?
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From an earlier reply:

I'm not commenting any further in this thread about past recruiting misses. I think I've made my point and no reason to continue to re-hash it. I think we are moving in the right direction now and that's all that matters.
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Big Old Booger said:
Cade Davis is a glue guy, as are Pledger and Fitz. I would also put Tyler Neal in that spot before he's done.
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Cade Davis, yes. Pledger and Fitz? Their statistical contributions may be too much to deem them "glue". I say that because if they match their statistical production from this season in their junior and senior seasons then they'll both score over 1,400 points in their Sooner careers.

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I came up with those numbers by imagining each player playing 33 games a season. At their current 2011 averages (Fitz - 13.52, Pledger - 12.43) that would equal 1,338 and 1,230 points scored by Fitz and Pledger, respectively, in their sophomore, junior and senior campaigns. As freshmen the two tallied 126 and 186 points, respectively.
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Long story short, they're too good to be glue.
 
Sooner04 said:
Cade Davis, yes. Pledger and Fitz? Their statistical contributions may be too much to deem them "glue". I say that because if they match their statistical production from this season in their junior and senior seasons then they'll both score over 1,400 points in their Sooner careers.

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I came up with those numbers by imagining each player playing 33 games a season. At their current 2011 averages (Fitz - 13.52, Pledger - 12.43) that would equal 1,338 and 1,230 points scored by Fitz and Pledger, respectively, in their sophomore, junior and senior campaigns. As freshmen the two tallied 126 and 186 points, respectively.
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Long story short, they're too good to be glue.
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Good point. I would consider Pledger a glue guy more than Fitz at this point, but if Pledger continue to score like he has lately then he would be too good to be a glue guy. Next year with Osby and Clark it will be interesting if we will depend as much on Fitz's scoring (probably will) and Pledgers.
 
Big Old Booger said:
No sidestep. I don't need to continue to restate my opinion just because you are poor at reading comprehension. Especially about something that has been hashed and re-hashed ad infinitum.
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sure:facepalm

You can just answer yes or no. Would you have been pissed if Capel passed on TMG?
 
BOG is not wanting to see the obvious differences between FB and BB.

In FB, go look at our last 4-5 classes. I bet no more than 6-7 players from each class truly contribute. 3-5 left for some reason and the remaining 10-15 players simply fill out the 85 with little on-field contribution. So, when considering attrition, I suggest you only compare the ones that leave to the ones actually contributing. How many players on the BB team don't contribute??? See the diff???

In hoops, one player can make or break a team. That's why I wasn't such a doom and gloomer re: us returning to our rightful place in the Big XII. We ARE gonna get a really good player about every 2 years and HE will lead this team/program back to prominence. It's just the culture of NCAA hoops and a program like ours.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
sure:facepalm

You can just answer yes or no. Would you have been pissed if Capel passed on TMG?
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Neither. I wouldn't have cared. I don't recruit, so I don't worry about who we sign or don't sign. Getting excited over an 18 year old kid that some nincompoop has labeled "the best eva" is not something I do.

If Capel passed (on TMG), then I would believe he knew what he was doing, just like I believe he knew what he was doing when he offered. It's Capel's job, not mine so why would I be "pissed"?

FYI...the only things I really get pissed about are related to my job, my wife and my kids. Not whether some 18 year old kid signed with OU or any other school.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Neither. I wouldn't have cared. I don't recruit, so I don't worry about who we sign or don't sign. Getting excited over an 18 year old kid that some nincompoop has labeled "the best eva" is not something I do.

If Capel passed (on TMG), then I would believe he knew what he was doing, just like I believe he knew what he was doing when he offered. It's Capel's job, not mine so why would I be "pissed"?

FYI...the only things I really get pissed about are related to my job, my wife and my kids. Not whether some 18 year old kid signed with OU or any other school.
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I think the intent of his post was as a basketball fan. Don't act like you don't get upset about things that happen within the program or I'll go pull up some of your "Capel sux" posts...:ez-roll:
 
Klegg said:
BOG is not wanting to see the obvious differences between FB and BB.

In FB, go look at our last 4-5 classes. I bet no more than 6-7 players from each class truly contribute. 3-5 left for some reason and the remaining 10-15 players simply fill out the 85 with little on-field contribution. So, when considering attrition, I suggest you only compare the ones that leave to the ones actually contributing. How many players on the BB team don't contribute??? See the diff???

In hoops, one player can make or break a team. That's why I wasn't such a doom and gloomer re: us returning to our rightful place in the Big XII. We ARE gonna get a really good player about every 2 years and HE will lead this team/program back to prominence. It's just the culture of NCAA hoops and a program like ours.
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2010 recruiting class "contributors":
Aaron Colvin
Roy Finch
Trey Franks
Tony Jefferson
Trey Millard
Corey Nelson
Daniel Noble
Kenny Stills
(I could add Clay because he returned a number of kickoffs, but I'll leave him off for now)

2009 recruiting class "contributors":
Tyler Evans
Javon Harris
Demontre Hurst
Gabe Ikard
Tavaris Jeffries (started in 2009)
Cameron Kenney
Ronnell Lewis
Jamarkus McFarland
Tom Wort
Marcus Trice

2008 recruiting class "contributors":
Mike Balogun
Stephen Good
Ben Habern
James Hanna
David King
Joseph Ibiloye
Landry Jones
Stacey McGee
DeJuan Miller
Casey Walker
Tress Way

2007 recruiting class "contributors":
Frank Alexander
Austin Box
Ryan Broyles
Jamell Fleming
Travis Lewis
Phil Loadholt
Sam Proctor
Donald Stephenson
Jimmy Stevens

So, that's 8 from 2010, 10 from 2009, 11 from 2008 and 9 from 2007. That's more than double what you said and I left off some of the guys who play a lot on special teams (Franklin, Bird, etc.). I counted 5 from 2007, 4 from 2008 and 3 from 2009 who are no longer in the program or who left before graduating/finishing eligibility (JUCO). That's a very small percent.

I won't address your 2nd paragraph because that would be rehashing about Capel and the basketball team. I do disagree with the premise of what you are implying or at least they way I infer what you are implying.
 
Kelvin Sampson had a saying that I liked. You are never as good as you think you are or as bad as you think you are. We are OU fans in good years and bad years. Stay positive and enjoy the bad with the good. Joe C. will do his job, he dose not need our help.
 
Klegg said:
I think the intent of his post was as a basketball fan. Don't act like you don't get upset about things that happen within the program or I'll go pull up some of your "Capel sux" posts...:ez-roll:
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I never said he sucked, just that he was in over his head. I have maintained from day 1 he can be a good coach in time, but wasn't ready for a top 20 job like OU. Now, after 5 years maybe he's turning the corner. I like what I've seen the last 7-8 games and just maybe he will force me to think we made the right decision in hiring him. I hope he does because that means he is bettering the program from when he took over and that would be very good for all of us.

That's been my only complaint about Capel from day 1. I don't care who he signs as long as they don't embarrass the university or it's alumnae, of which I am one. And, I like it when they win but most of all compete. Last year, they didn't compete and were an embarrassment to anyone associated with OU. Even the most ardent Capel supporters were down after last season.

EDIT: just to reiterate, I've never been "pissed" (to use his term) about recruiting; who is signed who is offered, who isn't signed or who isn't offered. Not one time. I used to get hacked listening to Hale tell me that Carlos Baker was going to be the next Bronko Nagurski and then he ends up being the next Lucas instead. :ez-laugh: But that was more that I actually bought into the hype Hale was selling, which I don't anymore.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
2010 recruiting class "contributors":
Aaron Colvin
Roy Finch
Trey Franks
Tony Jefferson
Trey Millard
Corey Nelson
Daniel Noble
Kenny Stills
(I could add Clay because he returned a number of kickoffs, but I'll leave him off for now)

2009 recruiting class "contributors":
Tyler Evans
Javon Harris
Demontre Hurst
Gabe Ikard
Tavaris Jeffries (started in 2009)
Cameron Kenney
Ronnell Lewis
Jamarkus McFarland
Tom Wort
Marcus Trice

2008 recruiting class "contributors":
Mike Balogun
Stephen Good
Ben Habern
James Hanna
David King
Joseph Ibiloye
Landry Jones
Stacey McGee
DeJuan Miller
Casey Walker
Tress Way

2007 recruiting class "contributors":
Frank Alexander
Austin Box
Ryan Broyles
Jamell Fleming
Travis Lewis
Phil Loadholt
Sam Proctor
Donald Stephenson
Jimmy Stevens

So, that's 8 from 2010, 10 from 2009, 11 from 2008 and 9 from 2007. That's more than double what you said and I left off some of the guys who play a lot on special teams (Franklin, Bird, etc.). I counted 5 from 2007, 4 from 2008 and 3 from 2009 who are no longer in the program or who left before graduating/finishing eligibility (JUCO). That's a very small percent.

I won't address your 2nd paragraph because that would be rehashing about Capel and the basketball team. I do disagree with the premise of what you are implying or at least they way I infer what you are implying.
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Soooo, 8/10/11/9 is each more than double of 7???? You listed a BUNCH of backups that have little to no affect on the games (granted, ALL players on the team contribute to gameday success, but we're discussing your lack of understanding in the differences between the two sport).

So, basically you've proven MY point - percentage wise when comparing athletes leaving to true contributors (when you remove the backups you added) the numbers are comparable (with this past class being an aberration). This issue is 1 player from a BB team has WAAAY more affect on the team itself.

Don't address 1 player having a huge affect on a team??? Side-step much??

For some reason, you have a hard time carrying on a conversation without being unreasonable.
 
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