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cfin5256
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Last season and the way this season started shook my confidence in Capel and I hated it because he truly is a class act. I wanted him to succeed badly because of that. I'm not even close to proclaiming him HOF material, but this team, and what he's done with it, have shown me that I was wrong about his abilities and wrong about this team. I've never been happier being wrong because somehow, someway, we are winning games baby!!! :woot
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A lot of us are exactly like you in this regard.
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Agreed.
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Well imo the poster said Capel can coach and that's been pretty clear this season. I would even argue that this year is sort of proof coach Capel had an uncoachable team last year... uncoachable meaning that John freaking Wooden couldn't have gotten much more out of that team of saps! If a few of those kids would have had more of Carl Blair's attitude, OU would be in the hunt for a Big12 title this year. We are in 3rd place with HALF the talent we had last year... clearly our coach can coach players willing to be coached.
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The same people saying let sleeping dogs rest, now that the sooners are winning, will be those same people bashing once again if we lose two in a row. If you hear them what they are saying, is we're winning against lower tier teams, not just we are winning, but against lower tier teams. Just want give Capel or the players the just dues they deserve.
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When Capel is able to beat UT and steal a game from KU, I'll be impressed. Otherwise, let's be cautious with this winning streak.
2011-2012 is his year to kick arse or move on.
2011-2012 is his year to kick arse or move on.
I agree 100% with this...
I'd also say the posts the OP is referring to fall into the same category.
There have been, for the most part, two camps. One camp liked Kelvin. Now, there is a tendency to like Capel. Then, there is a camp that really didn't like either of them very much, or wasn't satisfied that either could compete with the NCAA tournament winning coaches.
Some think that we should hire someone like the Duke or Kansas coach. But, Duke and Kansas were national championship quality teams before. Was Self even born when Kansas won its first national title? These schools have tradition, and it is easier to get what you need to win with a tradition like that of Kansas or Duke or North Carolina. I tend to wonder why someone can't win with the tradition of one of these or UCLA or Kentucky behind them.
We haven't built that tradition. Others who accomplish it from other schools are generally one and done with national titles. They get one team due to one or two players. The really good teams roll on year after year.
If you want OU to be one of those teams, build with a coach. Lay a foundation. Capel's only mistake may have been in trying to build too fast. He took a risk on some kids that had talent, but no discipline or team orientation. If he had been at Duke, he wouldn't have recruited them. He needs time to build something. I think he can do it, and I'm not sure that I can think of anyone better to do it. But, it takes more than a year or one player to do it. It takes laying a foundation. If you don't earn it, you risk your future by borrowing it. That doesn't endure.
I like what I've seen of Capel. I would like to see what he can do. I think his teams look better than the talent when they listen to him. The same could be said of Kelvin or Billy. A lot of coaches have teams that aren't as good as the talent. Look at the talent that we have seen, and beaten over the years.
Some think that we should hire someone like the Duke or Kansas coach. But, Duke and Kansas were national championship quality teams before. Was Self even born when Kansas won its first national title? These schools have tradition, and it is easier to get what you need to win with a tradition like that of Kansas or Duke or North Carolina. I tend to wonder why someone can't win with the tradition of one of these or UCLA or Kentucky behind them.
We haven't built that tradition. Others who accomplish it from other schools are generally one and done with national titles. They get one team due to one or two players. The really good teams roll on year after year.
If you want OU to be one of those teams, build with a coach. Lay a foundation. Capel's only mistake may have been in trying to build too fast. He took a risk on some kids that had talent, but no discipline or team orientation. If he had been at Duke, he wouldn't have recruited them. He needs time to build something. I think he can do it, and I'm not sure that I can think of anyone better to do it. But, it takes more than a year or one player to do it. It takes laying a foundation. If you don't earn it, you risk your future by borrowing it. That doesn't endure.
I like what I've seen of Capel. I would like to see what he can do. I think his teams look better than the talent when they listen to him. The same could be said of Kelvin or Billy. A lot of coaches have teams that aren't as good as the talent. Look at the talent that we have seen, and beaten over the years.
Our program has experienced top 10-15 success since about 1980, so as far a program's foundation, it's there.
Most all of those programs you listed recruited those guys too. Those programs get their share of those exact type of recruits. The difference is, they can endure two or three of them leaving because they have 3 more ultra-talented players on their roster...plain and simple.
They have won titles. How many have we won? They have been in the Final Four multiple times. How many times have we been? Are we really in the top tier, or is that wishful thinking?
Titles are tough to come by although I think we'd agree we NEED to get one. Let's be honest tho...the '88 team was BY FAR the best team in the country that year - got caught in the "any given night" rule. We've been to multiple FFs. How many schools do you consider top tier? I'd say we're right outside that top tier although the past few years have definitely tarnished that a bit.
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Here's your list of programs that have made it to the Final Four at least more than once.
Total Final Four appearances
App. School
18 North Carolina, UCLA*
15 Duke
13 Kansas, Kentucky
10 Ohio State*
8 Indiana, Michigan State, Louisville
6 Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan, Oklahoma State
5 Georgetown, Houston, Illinois
4 Arizona, Florida, Kansas State, LSU, Oklahoma, Syracuse, UNLV, Utah, Villanova*
3 California, Connecticut, Iowa, Marquette, Memphis**, N.C. State, San Francisco, Texas
2 Baylor, Bradley, CCNY, Colorado, Dartmouth, DePaul, Georgia Tech, Holy Cross, La Salle, Maryland, NYU, Oregon State, Providence, Purdue, St. John's, Stanford, Temple, USC, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Total Final Four appearances
App. School
18 North Carolina, UCLA*
15 Duke
13 Kansas, Kentucky
10 Ohio State*
8 Indiana, Michigan State, Louisville
6 Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan, Oklahoma State
5 Georgetown, Houston, Illinois
4 Arizona, Florida, Kansas State, LSU, Oklahoma, Syracuse, UNLV, Utah, Villanova*
3 California, Connecticut, Iowa, Marquette, Memphis**, N.C. State, San Francisco, Texas
2 Baylor, Bradley, CCNY, Colorado, Dartmouth, DePaul, Georgia Tech, Holy Cross, La Salle, Maryland, NYU, Oregon State, Providence, Purdue, St. John's, Stanford, Temple, USC, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin
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Out of curiosity, how far back does that go? I know we've had 2 Final Fours in what I refer to as the 'modern era'.
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so was 2002 until we got the injury bug
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OK...so help me out here...who recruited the "uncoachable" guys to Oklahoma? Were they already here when Capel accepted the job? Or did he recruit them?
I would agree the last 7-8 games it appears he is more of a coach than I thought. However, prior to that stretch, I hadn't seen any great coaching from him outside of giving the ball to the best player on the planet and letting him lead us to the elite 8. Last year falls squarely on Capel's shoulders because he recruited the uncoachable players. He knew what he was getting when he recruited them. It's not like they just fell in his lap and he had to figure out how to get them to play. The biggest part of recruiting is getting to know the potential recruits and then picking out the ones that best fit your program. Tubbs was good at it, and so was Sampson. Both were able to find players that fit their schemes and integrated into the university culture without causing many problems and/or quitting/transferring.
Sampson booted highly recruited players because they were a risk to his program (i.e. the transfer from Kentucky, Lou Moore, etc.). Capel chose to allow the problem players to skip workouts, skip practice, and apparently skip class. That's his fault and hopefully he's learned his lesson. This season has been a step in the right direction so far, but it has to keep improving.
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I always see this thrown out there but it doesn't make sense to me. Is capel suppose to be able to tell that the kids are uncoachable? Is he a prophet? Can he see into the future or really see what a kid is really like just from recruiting him? I don't blame capel at all for bringing them in. Unless the kid has obvious problems then you don't pass on MDAAs
