Capel can Coach

[SoonerBounce13]

That's been my only complaint about Capel from day 1. I don't care who he signs as long as they don't embarrass the university or it's alumnae

which brings me back to my point. Capel cannot see the future. And he hasn't recruited anybody, that I know of, with a sketchy past. I understand that evaluating character as well as talent is a big part of recruiting. But I imagine it is hard for a coach to see what issues he will see with kids who are young and haven't gotten into any problems with the few visits and conversations you get with them.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Soooo, 8/10/11/9 is each more than double of 7???? You listed a BUNCH of backups that have little to no affect on the games (granted, ALL players on the team contribute to gameday success, but we're discussing your lack of understanding in the differences between the two sport).

So, basically you've proven MY point - percentage wise when comparing athletes leaving to true contributors (when you remove the backups you added) the numbers are comparable (with this past class being an aberration). This issue is 1 player from a BB team has WAAAY more affect on the team itself.

Don't address 1 player having a huge affect on a team??? Side-step much??

For some reason, you have a hard time carrying on a conversation without being unreasonable.

I mis-read your previous post. I thought you said 4-5 contributors. I'll also add most of those listed have either started or played a lot of minutes. For example, Colvin started a few games for us while Fleming was out, but once Jamell came back Colvin was relegated to special teams. He still helped us win the Texas game because he started that game. So, while some of the players don't contribute every game, most all of them have contributed and as I said I didn't even list Franklin, Bird, Clay, and a few others that are special teams only players (not that special teams don't matter, because they do; I just didn't want to get flamed for listing a bunch of guys that only play a handful of plays per game).

I don't disagree that 1 player in basketball can change the fortunes, that wasn't what I disagreed with. I inferred from your post that you were basically saying "it's ok to have a 13 win season (in basketball) because we just didn't have that one player, but once we get that one player we will be back". I don't get that logic. I'd prefer to not have 13 win seasons and on top of that for it to be made up of trouble-makers/malcontents. In a previous post, I listed an entire recruting class that not one player was here longer than 2 years. You can't say that for football, and that one recruiting class combined with taking chances on highly ranked malcontents is the cause of us being where we are right now.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all. How is saying the current shape of the basketball program is Capels fault being unreasonable? Please help me to understand.

 

[Section31]

I mis-read your previous post. I thought you said 4-5 contributors. I'll also add most of those listed have either started or played a lot of minutes. For example, Colvin started a few games for us while Fleming was out, but once Jamell came back Colvin was relegated to special teams. He still helped us win the Texas game because he started that game. So, while some of the players don't contribute every game, most all of them have contributed and as I said I didn't even list Franklin, Bird, Clay, and a few others that are special teams only players (not that special teams don't matter, because they do; I just didn't want to get flamed for listing a bunch of guys that only play a handful of plays per game).

But you listed Noble (he played in 5 games and had 6 tackles). Not making light of him, but his contribution is comparable to Thompson's. My use of the statement "you listed a BUNCH..." was unfair as you listed a few backups and a few special teams only players (I agree special teams is important, but let's be honest, most of them are on STs so starters can rest).

I'm not sure where you got that I thought a 13 win season was OK. I hated it.

As I'm trying to point out, you CAN'T compare sheer numbers lost between the two sports as in BB, 1 player can screw up an entire team. Are you saying that this year's team wouldn't be a whole bunch better if Tiny were here????

Blaming Capel for it all IS unreasonable. Playing your game, what if when Stoops took the job, the ENTIRE 97 recruiting class was released from their LOIs??? See how that works? I would even contend the football team could handle it easier because they are one of about 5 elite college programs of all time.

 

[Section31]

BTW, I'm proud of myself for actually being close to the number of contributors per year's recruiting classes WITHOUT ever looking back...:woot

 

[Big Old Booger]

But you listed Noble (he played in 5 games and had 6 tackles). Not making light of him, but his contribution is comparable to Thompson's. My use of the statement "you listed a BUNCH..." was unfair as you listed a few backups and a few special teams only players (I agree special teams is important, but let's be honest, most of them are on STs so starters can rest).

I'm not sure where you got that I thought a 13 win season was OK. I hated it.

As I'm trying to point out, you CAN'T compare sheer numbers lost between the two sports as in BB, 1 player can screw up an entire team. Are you saying that this year's team wouldn't be a whole bunch better if Tiny were here????

Blaming Capel for it all IS unreasonable. Playing your game, what if when Stoops took the job, the ENTIRE 97 recruiting class was released from their LOIs??? See how that works? I would even contend the football team could handle it easier because they are one of about 5 elite college programs of all time.

Noble would have started the remainder of the season had he not gotten the injury and you forget our defensive scheme does not allow the DT's to make many tackles, but to occupy blockers so the LB's can make the play. Just because he only had 6 tackles doesn't mean he didn't contribute because he was playing a lot before he was injured.

We are now in year 5 so we are way past the first class of which he ended up getting 2 of the 5 so all was not lost. That recruiting class was not as hurtful to the program as the 2008 class that I listed earlier, which had nothing to do with cellphonegate. Capel took chances on kids from the east coast and not a one panned out (Willis, Cannon) when he could have signed a kid from Oklahoma or Texas equally as talented who probably would have stuck around.

 

[Max Power]

can we please get ougridiron.com up and running so we can get back to our regularly scheduled basketball talk?

 

[Section31]

We are now in year 5 so we are way past the first class of which he ended up getting 2 of the 5 so all was not lost. That recruiting class was not as hurtful to the program as the 2008 class that I listed earlier, which had nothing to do with cellphonegate. Capel took chances on kids from the east coast and not a one panned out (Willis, Cannon) when he could have signed a kid from Oklahoma or Texas equally as talented who probably would have stuck around.

Well, we'll just have to disagree. I think when he lost an entire class, he HAD to fill those spots and considering how that probably made recruits look at us that next year, he was already playing from behind. I've ALWAYS said there is something Capel needs to change, because it appears he doesn't have a lot of tolerance (or something) with his recruits. It APPEARS they screw up and he has trouble dealing with the issue and just leaves them in a doghouse.

My issue with the people in "your camp" is you only want to see it one way, make GIGANTIC, BOLD statements that back you into a corner and then complain when you're called out about it...OR become unreasonable....

 

[Big Old Booger]

Well, we'll just have to disagree. I think when he lost an entire class, he HAD to fill those spots and considering how that probably made recruits look at us that next year, he was already playing from behind. I've ALWAYS said there is something Capel needs to change, because it appears he doesn't have a lot of tolerance (or something) with his recruits. It APPEARS they screw up and he has trouble dealing with the issue and just leaves them in a doghouse.

My issue with the people in "your camp" is you only want to see it one way, make GIGANTIC, BOLD statements that back you into a corner and then complain when you're called out about it...OR become unreasonable....

I haven't complained once and I am not unreasonable. I understand some posters are going to come after me if Capel gets it turned around because I have been very vocal in my stance that he should have never been handed the job. However, posters can come after me because if he turns it around I will be just as happy as they are so they can just screw off because it's not going to make me mad. :woot

 

[Big Old Booger]

Well, we'll just have to disagree. I think when he lost an entire class, he HAD to fill those spots and considering how that probably made recruits look at us that next year, he was already playing from behind. I've ALWAYS said there is something Capel needs to change, because it appears he doesn't have a lot of tolerance (or something) with his recruits. It APPEARS they screw up and he has trouble dealing with the issue and just leaves them in a doghouse.

My issue with the people in "your camp" is you only want to see it one way, make GIGANTIC, BOLD statements that back you into a corner and then complain when you're called out about it...OR become unreasonable....

That statement doesn't make sense especially in light of everything I've heard from good sources about TMG skipping class and practice yet still starting every game (and the fact Crocker and Warren led a team revolt against the offseason conditioning, yet neither saw any punishment). If he had such a low tolerance, then why did TMG continue to start? Don't tell me it's all we had because we had other players who could play the position. Now, we probably would have lost that game, which we didn't win many games anyway, but at least Capel would have put some discipline on TMG and you never know, he may have responded positively and stuck around.

 

[Section31]

That statement doesn't make sense especially in light of everything I've heard from good sources about TMG skipping class and practice yet still starting every game (and the fact Crocker and Warren led a team revolt against the offseason conditioning, yet neither saw any punishment). If he had such a low tolerance, then why did TMG continue to start? Don't tell me it's all we had because we had other players who could play the position. Now, we probably would have lost that game, which we didn't win many games anyway, but at least Capel would have put some discipline on TMG and you never know, he may have responded positively and stuck around.

I was referring to the "glue guys"...he obviously placates to the "stars" (I just threw up a little in my mouth) a bit, but so do MOST coaches. He's no different than 99% of the coaches in the nation in that way. WE don't like it, but that's life in the NCAA...

 

[BigTime]

Kelvin Sampson had a saying that I liked. You are never as good as you think you are or as bad as you think you are. We are OU fans in good years and bad years. Stay positive and enjoy the bad with the good. Joe C. will do his job, he dose not need our help.

Nice post jim. I remember Kelvin saying that a few different times and it certainly applies here.

 

[Section31]

Nice post jim. I remember Kelvin saying that a few different times and it certainly applies here.

KS had some big time "deep thoughts". I really liked this one (not sure if its word for word, but anyway):

"Shooting is not an equal opportunity skill, by that I mean, if you can't shoot it, you don't get to shoot it..."