Capel saved his job!!!!!!!!!!

[bgrch1350]

Doesn't matter.

Unless they start 5 seniors, there is no real advantage.

OU starts three top 100 kids.

TT starts none.

OU has more talent. That isn't debateable.

OUs top 100 kids are sophs(2) and a frosh
TT has 5 seniors on that squad.
OUs 2 sophs are in the back end of the top 100 and those guys usually don't start shining til their junior years. And Clark wasn't a top 25 player so they usually take a year to adjust.

 

[Dem Coltz]

Doesn't matter.

Class doesn't matter. Thanks, your argument just flew out the door. So the fact that Nolan Smith came in as a McDonald's AA means there isn't progressive improvement over 3 years? He got better every year, and now is a force and one of the top 5-10 players in the country. He wasn't near that at the beginning of last year, let alone his sophomore season. His freshman season he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. His freshman year he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. Twice so you'll know it's not a misprint. But by all means, continue to make your "not debateable" point that a top 100 freshman holds the same weight as a top 100 player his soph, junior or senior year.

 

[campbest]

Doesn't matter.

Unless they start 5 seniors, there is no real advantage.

OU starts three top 100 kids.

TT starts none.

OU has more talent. That isn't debateable.

Clown statement.

Class doesn't matter. Thanks, your argument just flew out the door. So the fact that Nolan Smith came in as a McDonald's AA means there isn't progressive improvement over 3 years? He got better every year, and now is a force and one of the top 5-10 players in the country. He wasn't near that at the beginning of last year, let alone his sophomore season. His freshman season he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. His freshman year he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. Twice so you'll know it's not a misprint. But by all means, continue to make your "not debateable" point that a top 100 freshman holds the same weight as a top 100 player his soph, junior or senior year.

Good post.

 

[NickZepp]

He and Neal were OK POY's though.

Cade was a top 5 player in the state. I think he was 3rd or something like that. Some kid named Blake Griffin was the top player.

 

[Romulus]

John Blake also won his last home game

 

[sooners78]

John Blake also won his last home game

rom, what are you hearing?

 

[WTSooner]

OUs top 100 kids are sophs(2) and a frosh
TT has 5 seniors on that squad.
OUs 2 sophs are in the back end of the top 100 and those guys usually don't start shining til their junior years. And Clark wasn't a top 25 player so they usually take a year to adjust.

Now you are just drawing arbitrary lines in the sand, to make your point.

So top 25 kids can sign right away, but if you are ranked five spots down, at number 30, you need time to develop? LOL. Bet I could find a dozen players, ranked behind Cam, that have had a better year. Probably more.

I didn't choose the top 100 out of the blue. There is usually a difference between top 100 kids, and kids that aren't top 100. Just like there is usually a difference in kids that are top 25 or so (no exact number), and the rest of the top 100. And obviously, the top 5, give or take, are usually special too.

Pledger and Fitz played more minutes as true frosh than most do, b/c OU was so bad. Those minutes put them ahead of most of their class. By THIS point, they are juniors. They've both essentially started for two full years now. Just how much experience do you want?

Most kids make the most improvement between their frosh and soph years. After that, except for the true studs, or maybe some late bloomers, most kids that played that many minutes their frosh/soph years, don't improve much the latter half of their careers. Fitz isn't going to grow, or learn to jump higher. Pledger isn't going to get quicker.

 

[WTSooner]

Cade was a top 5 player in the state. I think he was 3rd or something like that. Some kid named Blake Griffin was the top player.

That may be. I really thought Cade won some OK award, but I could be mistaken. I do believe Neal was the OK POY though. That sound correct?

 

[psk2080]

I've never rooted against OU in my life, but twice I've had extreme indifference towards OU winning a game, because I knew deepdown that a loss would probably be the best thing in the long-run...however, OU won both times...the first time was OU vs. Texas Tech in John Blake's final game...the second time was today...Capel needs to go...

 

[bgrch1350]

I want to see if Capel can win with a team that he put together that doesn't have Blake and also isn't one of the youngest teams in Oklahoma history. If he can win next year...we should expect that the following year since almost everyone will return after that season. I'm not going to say he can't coach b/c he couldn't have a better season with this squad..Theres probably only a hand full of coachs that could do better this season. The question is...will this recruiting class pay off for him next year b/c if he can't recruit than coaching won't matter.

1 more season will show if he can win with an experience, talented team that doesn't have Blake.

 

[StoopsBros]

According to "connected" posters on other sites, Capel is done. I guess we'll see.

 

[bgrch1350]

Now you are just drawing arbitrary lines in the sand, to make your point.

So top 25 kids can sign right away, but if you are ranked five spots down, at number 30, you need time to develop? LOL. Bet I could find a dozen players, ranked behind Cam, that have had a better year. Probably more.

I didn't choose the top 100 out of the blue. There is usually a difference between top 100 kids, and kids that aren't top 100. Just like there is usually a difference in kids that are top 25 or so (no exact number), and the rest of the top 100. And obviously, the top 5, give or take, are usually special too.

Pledger and Fitz played more minutes as true frosh than most do, b/c OU was so bad. Those minutes put them ahead of most of their class. By THIS point, they are juniors. They've both essentially started for two full years now. Just how much experience do you want?

Most kids make the most improvement between their frosh and soph years. After that, except for the true studs, or maybe some late bloomers, most kids that played that many minutes their frosh/soph years, don't improve much the latter half of their careers. Fitz isn't going to grow, or learn to jump higher. Pledger isn't going to get quicker.

If you go to either rivals or scout and take the kids that are ranked between 50 and 100...you will see 80% of those kids don't contribute til their an upper classmen. And some never even mount to anything.

And the only reason Pledger and Fitz played so much as freshmen was b/c we were young and not that deep.

 

[DenverSooner]

Plenty, just none who will admit it on this board. They'll be doing the same thing Wednesday.

I really don't think you are correct. I have been following OU ball on the Internet ever since Al Gore invented it and many of Capela critics have been around and supported OU tat entire time. You need to realize there are legitimate arguments to fire Capel. I would give him one more year if I were the AD but I would tell him NCAA or you are gone.

 

[bgrch1350]

According to "connected" posters on other sites, Capel is done. I guess we'll see.

What sites?

 

[Tony]

According to "connected" posters on other sites, Capel is done. I guess we'll see.

Lots of people have legitimate sources in the athletic department, but I would be really surprised if anyone other than Joe C and maybe Boren have any real clue which was it's leaning. Sources may be trying to read clues from body language or overheard conversations, or want to impress their friends by showing their access, or whatever. I highly doubt it's something Joe C has had many discussions about, that's the only reason I'm taking all this speculation with a huge grain of salt, even from well-connected reliable people like chewy.

We should find out soon enough, though, for sure. It's going to be interesting.

 

[StoopsBros]

What sites?

Soonerscoop.com (crimson court)...it's a pay site

 

[152219]

Doesn't matter.

Unless they start 5 seniors, there is no real advantage.

OU starts three top 100 kids.

TT starts none.

OU has more talent. That isn't debateable.

Then you no little about Tech

 

[152219]

Tech started 4 seniors and a junior today and the first guy off the bench is a senior. WTSoonner = knowledgable

 

[WTSooner]

Class doesn't matter. Thanks, your argument just flew out the door. So the fact that Nolan Smith came in as a McDonald's AA means there isn't progressive improvement over 3 years? He got better every year, and now is a force and one of the top 5-10 players in the country. He wasn't near that at the beginning of last year, let alone his sophomore season. His freshman season he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. His freshman year he didn't even start over Greg Paulus. Twice so you'll know it's not a misprint. But by all means, continue to make your "not debateable" point that a top 100 freshman holds the same weight as a top 100 player his soph, junior or senior year.

LMAO

Trying to compare OU to Duke.

It doesn't matter in that having scrub seniors doesn't make your team better than a team with three top 100 recruits, two of which are essentially juniors at this point.

Sure, experience matters if you are comparing equal talent, and one team is all frosh, and the other is all seniors. THAT might matter. That isn't the case though. And if TT's experience mattered that much, they wouldn't suck.

OU has had plenty of young teams that didn't finish the year tied for 11th place. Heck, we won 19 regular season games in '04/'05 with a lineup of entirely frosh/sophs, just about. That team was one lame foul call on Gilbert against UT away from Dancing, and they were playing Deangelo Alexander at PF against the UT bigs late in that season.

I'm tired of the excuses. Nobody is claiming this team has the talent or experience to win the Big 12 this year. Nobody. Nobody is even saying they should have finished in the top 3. But there is no reason to finish behind some of the teams we're finishing behind. If you want to say Capel needs time to develop youth, fine. Say that. But don't suggest there isn't a coach out there that could have gotten another 5-6 wins out of this team. Because I won't believe it. Somewhere, there is a coach that would have beaten Virginia (16-14), Chaminade, @TT, and a couple of home games against an aTm or Nebraska.

The talent is there to be decent. Recruiting services don't f-up the rankings THAT much. I'd argue outside of our elite teams, we haven't had many OU teams that had 3 top 100 guys.

 

[bgrch1350]

Soonerscoop.com (crimson court)...it's a pay site

If he's gone..then he's gone...but the only source that I will believe is from Joe C.