Capel saved his job!!!!!!!!!!

[152219]

That is still contributing. Especially when you start, or are the first big man off the bench. Just b/c Kelvin didn't let them, or need them, to shoot a lot, doesn't mean that both didn't play pretty big roles on good teams. Sorry, but if you are the first guard or big off the bench, you are contributing. If you are the starting pg, you are contributing. Points don't matter.

Griffin's numbers = CJ Washington's
Austin's = Calvin Newell's

Tell me how big of contributors those guys have been this year.

But continue to make up your own definition of coming right in and contributing.

Just like your excellent knowledge of Tech's starting lineup this year.

 

[152219]

http://statsheet.com/bhsb/players/hollis-price

Anywhere from 51 to 60.

Not sure why you're listing ppg, like you are proving me wrong. You are actually helping my case, so keep it up.

I'm not helping your case at all, especially with Griffin and Austin. Those guys, especially Griffin were small bit players. You are wrong.

And I gave more points for Griffin and Austin. Can you read? I gave rebounds for Griffin and rebounds and assists for Austin. LMFAO

 

[WTSooner]

Griffin's numbers = CJ Washington's
Austin's = Calvin Newell's

Tell me how big of contributors those guys have been this year.

But continue to make up your own definition of coming right in and contributing.

Just like your excellent knowledge of Tech's starting lineup this year.

LMAO

If you think you can compare ppg, and reach that conclusion, fine. But you'd be wrong. I don't have time to go look up minutes played, games started, average shots taken, and secondary stats like rebounds/assists/steals, but you get the idea.

AJ = Newell

Get out of here with that crap.

 

[bgrch1350]

Right now i am on scout. I've looked at 50-60 and I found that Pinkston DNP, Harris(S.Car) horrible, McKie(WF) is their star but they are 8-22 ..so who couldn't be a star for that team, White(FSU) 4th or 5th guy on bench...Ferguson at (Fl Int) horrible and their 10-18, and Prather gets almost 0 mins at Fl...

I quit there b/c thats 6 out of 10 that don't contribute much and 1 that is a star for a 8-22 team sooooo....I can only imagine what it would look like when it gets to the 80s and 90s

 

[152219]

LMAO

If you think you can compare ppg, and reach that conclusion, fine. But you'd be wrong. I don't have time to go look up minutes played, games started, average shots taken, and secondary stats like rebounds/assists/steals, but you get the idea.

AJ = Newell

Get out of here with that crap.

I gave you the minutes played for Austin and Griffin. LMFAO at this retard.

 

[WTSooner]

I'm not helping your case at all, especially with Griffin and Austin. Those guys, especially Griffin were small bit players. You are wrong.

And I gave more points for Griffin and Austin. Can you read? I gave rebounds for Griffin and rebounds and assists for Austin. LMFAO

And you aren't reading to well.

Just b/c a player didn't come in and start, doesn't mean they weren't ready. It also doesn't mean they weren't ready to at least contribute. Taylor Griffin didn't play much early b/c he was behind Bookout, Gray, and Carter. He started getting minutes later in the year, and played a HUGE roll in beating OSU in Stillwater that year. So just b/c he was blocked by three really good upper classmen, that doesn't prove anything. That is a case where you have to look at the player, the circumstances, and use common sense.

Do you even know what this discussion is about? I'm thinking you have no clue.

 

[bgrch1350]

I gave you the minutes played for Austin and Griffin. LMFAO at this retard.

+1

 

[152219]

And you aren't reading to well.

Just b/c a player didn't come in and start, doesn't mean they weren't ready. It also doesn't mean they weren't ready to at least contribute. Taylor Griffin didn't play much early b/c he was behind Bookout, Gray, and Carter. He started getting minutes later in the year, and played a HUGE roll in beating OSU in Stillwater that year. So just b/c he was blocked by three really good upper classmen, that doesn't prove anything. That is a case where you have to look at the player, the circumstances, and use common sense.

Do you even know what this discussion is about? I'm thinking you have no clue.

You are making up your own definitions to defend your unsubstantiated claims. And then when stats show that your point is wrong your change the definition.

 

[WTSooner]

I gave you the minutes played for Austin and Griffin. LMFAO at this retard.

And as a single stat, it means nothing. What does minutes played have to do with how ready a player is? NOTHING. Do you really not get that? Do you really not get that you have to look at who plays IN FRONT of that player to evaluate the minutes portion?

Get lost. You are throwing out stats that mean nothing in this argument. Stats aren't going to prove this point, most of the time.

 

[152219]

+1

I am done with him. Should have stopped when he didn't know Tech was senior laden. Hope this guy didn't attend OU.

 

[152219]

And as a single stat, it means nothing. What does minutes played have to do with how ready a player is? NOTHING. Do you really not get that? Do you really not get that you have to look at who plays IN FRONT of that player to evaluate the minutes portion?

Get lost. You are throwing out stats that mean nothing in this argument. Stats aren't going to prove this point, most of the time.

So we should trust your opinion? LOL. Yeah, I am going to trust a guy who just recently joined here who is obviously just here to *****. Yes, this season sucked, as did last season. Neither Griffin or Johnson were ready to play big minutes or a big role their freshman year.

 

[WTSooner]

You are making up your own definitions to defend your unsubstantiated claims. And then when stats show that your point is wrong your change the definition.

Because you aren't very smart, I'll catch you up.

Here is the quote that started this:

If you go to either rivals or scout and take the kids that are ranked between 50 and 100...you will see 80% of those kids don't contribute til their an upper classmen. And some never even mount to anything.

To me, that statement implies that most kids ranked between 50-100 aren't ready to meaningfully contribute until their junior year.

Not that they don't contribute until then, but that they aren't even READY to contribut until then. I looked up five players in that range from last year, and three of them start as freshman, and average about 10 ppg. My guess is there are several others that start and aren't asked to score much, or are the first guard/big off the bench.

I did misspeak earlier in regards to Taylor. Even though he stole some of Nate's minutes later in the year, I thought he was the first big off the bench all season. But AJ, your argument is silly. He was either the starting pg/sg, or the first guard off the bench all season. Minutes, ppg, or any other stat doesn't matter. If you start 13 games as a true frosh for a team that goes Dancing, you prove the statement above to be incorrect. Period. That is contributing. There was never any talk of contributing meaning being a star, or averaging 15ppg.

 

[StoopsBros]

Define contribute

 

[WTSooner]

Neither Griffin or Johnson were ready to play big minutes or a big role their freshman year.

Idiot. Jumping into and argument, and not even knowing what the argument was. LMAO.

1. Nobody said big minutes, or big role.
2. AJ STARTED 13 games that year, and was the first guard off the bench all season. How is that not a big role?

 

[bgrch1350]

Because you aren't very smart, I'll catch you up.

Here is the quote that started this:



To me, that statement implies that most kids ranked between 50-100 aren't ready to meaningfully contribute until their junior year.

Not that they don't contribute until then, but that they aren't even READY to contribut until then. I looked up five players in that range from last year, and three of them start as freshman, and average about 10 ppg. My guess is there are several others that start and aren't asked to score much, or are the first guard/big off the bench.

I did misspeak earlier in regards to Taylor. Even though he stole some of Nate's minutes later in the year, I thought he was the first big off the bench all season. But AJ, your argument is silly. He was either the starting pg/sg, or the first guard off the bench all season. Minutes, ppg, or any other stat doesn't matter. If you start 13 games as a true frosh for a team that goes Dancing, you prove the statement above to be incorrect. Period. That is contributing. There was never any talk of contributing meaning being a star, or averaging 15ppg.

Most don't....why don't you just look it up... you can either prove its wrong or shut up. But you aren't doing either.

 

[Sooner23]

 

[WTSooner]

Define contribute

That isn't easy to do. But I'd say "be a part of the team's normal rotation."

If you start, you are definitely contributing. If you are the first big/guard off the bench, again, I don't see how that is not contributing. Beyond that, it would depend on the team/situation.

Keep in mind, the argument isn't rather most of those kids DO contribute, it's whether they are capable of contributing as frosh/sophs.

To suggest that there are a significant number of top 100 kids that aren't ready to play significant minutes their soph year is stupid.

 

[WTSooner]

Most don't....why don't you just look it up... you can either prove its wrong or shut up. But you aren't doing either.

HUH?!?

1. You said you were going to look it up.
2. I did, to and extent. I looked up 4-5 players from last year's class, and 3 of them start, and two of those averaged darn near 10ppg. All I needed was 10 players, and technically, from that class, I have until next year to prove it. You see how easy that would be?

 

[WTSooner]

I also listed all OU recruits between 2003 and current that fell into that range, and over 50% of them were starting on good teams by their soph years.

 

[StoopsBros]

Rivals...http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivals150/2010

1. Selby - 9.6 ppg...contributor
2. Barnes - 14...contributor
3. Kanter - ruled ineligible
4. Irving - 17.4....contributor (injured)
5. Sullinger - 17.1...contributor
6. Knight - 17.7...contributor
7. Harris - 14.6...contributor
8. Joseph - 10.6.... contributor
9. P. Jones - 14.1...contributor
10. Bullock...6.1...50/50 contributor
11. Barton - 12.5...contributor
12. Mitchell - ruled ineligible
13. T. Jones - 17.2....contributor
14. Leslie - 11.2...contributor
15. Kendrick - suspended or something, can't remember
16. Melo - 2.2....non-contributor
17. Thompson - 13.3...contributor
18. Jackson - 8.9...contributor
19. Harrow - 9.4...contributor
20. Payne - 2.6....non-contributor
21. Lamb - 13.2...contributor
22. Thomas - 8.1...contributor
23. Smith - 10.8....contributor
24. Blue - 5.8...50/50 contributor
25. Powell - 8.2...contributor
26. King - 3.7....non-contributor
27. Young - 3.3...non-contributor
28. Zeigler - 16.5...contributor


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