Did Capel Save His Job?

[Section31]

Give, loan...why split hairs.

OT didn't even LOAN any money. You either have gotten bad information OR you are just making stuff up.

 

[Big Old Booger]

OT didn't even LOAN any money. You either have gotten bad information OR you are just making stuff up.

OK...so the financial adviser gave/loaned Gallon the money and Taliaferro set up the whole transaction. Really, do you want to argue this? No need to be obstinate. The NCAA is looking around because of this.

 

[Sooner04]

this whole "NCAA tournament or he's gone" business is a load of crap.

that's not necessarily the standard.

Well, it was for us for nearly 30 years. Why should that change?

 

[Section31]

Then what transpired to make him resign or Capel fire him and why would Gallon believe himself to probably be ineligible this year therefore leave OU for the pros?

Was it all just some cosmic force working together to cause all those things to occur?

I'm not sure. All I can do is READ WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN A MILLION TIMES.

 

[coolm]

Well, it was for us for nearly 30 years. Why should that change?

anything that spans 30 years needs to be reevaluated...and just because something was done one way "back in the day" doesn't mean it was the right way or even the best way.

In this case it doesn't even necessarily ring true.

 

[Max Power]

So basically what i have learned here is that going to the NCAA tourney is no longer necessary at the University of Oklahoma.

Man how time have changed

whats next, the football team going to bowl games will not be the standard?

 

[soonermcd93]

Apologize for the misquote on Scrybe on the "...beginning to show" part. I do however think it is way to small of a sample against so-so competition to think there is any evidence. I do like the effort and the fact that the players have bought in. From the evidence, I do think JC should be able to get one more season to see if this carries over to a couple of more talented players in the fold and we make marked improvement record wise. Ultimately he is responsible for where we are which is staring up at almost all the other teams. It isn't Gallons or TMG's fault. It is also the fact that a lot of other holes that should be soph or jrs on this team that should still make us a solid team are also gone. You have to identify players that fit your program along with the stars.

 

[suncoastsooner]

I don't really care about what Ronald McDonald ranks players. I look at recruiting as an on the court thing. Those players weren't all that good. Gallon showed promise but if he stays we probably are in probation right now. I don't know if he could have stayed eligible anyway. Same with TMG. I don't think either one were really college material. I think we are hurt just as much by Tony Neysmith leaving. I think he would be as senior right now. Ray Willis leaving, etc, etc.

TMG had no talent? Jesus to say you had credibility with me to begin with would be a lie but this was moronic.

 

[DenverSooner]

TMG had no talent? Jesus to say you had credibility with me to begin with would be a lie but this was moronic.

I agree. It is insane to suggest the loss of Neysmith and Willis is comparable to the loss of TMG. TMG was easily one of the best freshman pg in the entire Big XII. The kid could play basketball.

 

[schoonerdriver]

I didn't say TEAM...I said PROGRAM.

We were going on probation, lost an entire recruiting class, our coach left and the issues that KS was involved in gave us a black-eye nationally. THAT is rock bottom to me...

Right now, the only thing rock bottom is our record. We have a few pieces that will keep the TEAM afloat back for next year. A few better players coming in next year AND, most importantly, kids that want to be here and kids that play hard. The wins will come.

In basketball, it's a short trip from the outhouse to the penthouse if coach can land THE player.

I am not sure how you differentiate between a program and a team. I consider them one and the same, ergo as one goes, the other follows.

If we are waiting for THE player, then we will continue these up and down years. Myself would rather see a consistent product on the court rather than having a good year here and there.

 

[Section31]

I am not sure how you differentiate between a program and a team. I consider them one and the same, ergo as one goes, the other follows.

If we are waiting for THE player, then we will continue these up and down years. Myself would rather see a consistent product on the court rather than having a good year here and there.

A team is a year-to-year thing. A program transcends a period of time.

We've had PLENTY of "THE" type players over the history of our program. Why would you think we can't land another one???

 

[IndySooner]

So basically what i have learned here is that going to the NCAA tourney is no longer necessary at the University of Oklahoma.

Man how time have changed

whats next, the football team going to bowl games will not be the standard?

For the next couple of years, that's true. It won't be that way forever, and this is Jeff's last chance, in my opinion. If he turns it around, we will be rewarded for our patience. If not, well, we'll continue to enjoy mediocrity at best.

 

[schoonerdriver]

A team is a year-to-year thing. A program transcends a period of time.

We've had PLENTY of "THE" type players over the history of our program. Why would you think we can't land another one???

So our entire basketball history was reduced to shambles because Sampson made too many phone calls? Sampson's departure might have signaled a down turn in our history but we still had many things to hold our hat on. Consecutive years with 20 wins, consecutive years with postseason appearance, etc.. those have since been erased. And how does a team do well and program go down and the same time?

Do you think THE player is our only problem? Your post reads that way to me and if so, we have far more issues than landing THE player. How many THE players (besides Griffin) have we had in the last 15 years?

 

[schoonerdriver]

For the next couple of years, that's true. It won't be that way forever, and this is Jeff's last chance, in my opinion. If he turns it around, we will be rewarded for our patience. If not, well, we'll continue to enjoy mediocrity at best.

How many years does he get? You said next couple, so in 2 years Capel would have been here for 7 years. We could potentially be 4 straight years without NCAA tournament with 5 out 7 years spent at home. I say one more year is enough time.

 

[Section31]

So our entire basketball history was reduced to shambles because Sampson made too many phone calls? Sampson's departure might have signaled a down turn in our history but we still had many things to hold our hat on. Consecutive years with 20 wins, consecutive years with postseason appearance, etc.. those have since been erased. And how does a team do well and program go down and the same time?

Do you think THE player is our only problem? Your post reads that way to me and if so, we have far more issues than landing THE player. How many THE players (besides Griffin) have we had in the last 15 years?

I never said that. I said it was the lowest point for the PROGRAM. With what we (and the rest of the country) know NOW about KS, I'd say it brings up some questions about how he ran the program over his tenure. With THAT in mind, it COULD have wiped out his legacy.

We've had probably 5-7 of those TYPES of players over the past 15 years - Ryan Minor, Cory Brewer, Hollis Price, Ace McGhee, Terrell Everett, Nate Erdman, Eduardo Najera, Blake Griffin. Although ALL of those guys were not all-americans, individually, adding ONE of those players to THIS team would be HUGE.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I never said that. I said it was the lowest point for the PROGRAM. With what we (and the rest of the country) know NOW about KS, I'd say it brings up some questions about how he ran the program over his tenure. With THAT in mind, it COULD have wiped out his legacy.

We've had probably 5-7 of those TYPES of players over the past 15 years - Ryan Minor, Cory Brewer, Hollis Price, Ace McGhee, Terrell Everett, Eduardo Najera, Blake Griffin. Although ALL of those guys were not all-americans, individually, adding ONE of those players to THIS team would be HUGE.

Dude...you should be a comedian. :clap

So, because KS made a few extra phone calls, which at one time was not a violation, his entire legacy at OU is in question? I'm sorry, but that's an idiotic statement (for Scrybe, I am not calling Klegg an idiot :ez-laugh.

And, sans Griffin, all of those players would help but we would need 2 of them at a minimum to get this squad to the postseason. We have 4 players starting who are not D-1 starters as they all have too many holes in their game. The only player on the team this year who could have started for Tubbs or Sampson at their current classification (frosh, soph, jr, sr) is Cade Davis because he's a complete player. Clark, Pledger and Fitz would provide solid minutes off the bench. Blair would hardly play except probably mop-up.

 

[coolm]

I just don't understand people anymore I guess.

Everything has to be in extremes. Someone can't just have a poor answer or be wrong....it has to be "congrats on the worst answer ever".

A coach can't have a "bye" on the ncaa's while the program is reestablishing some solid footing...it has to be "the NCAA tourney is no longer necessary at the University of Oklahoma".

Do people only understand absolutes now? Is there no longer any rational basis for objective, individualized judgment?

ridiculous.

 

[suncoastsooner]

I just don't understand people anymore I guess.

Everything has to be in extremes. Someone can't just have a poor answer or be wrong....it has to be "congrats on the worst answer ever".

A coach can't have a "bye" on the ncaa's while the program is reestablishing some solid footing...it has to be "the NCAA tourney is no longer necessary at the University of Oklahoma".

Do people only understand absolutes now? Is there no longer any rational basis for objective, individualized judgment?

ridiculous.

Have you met our fanbase?

CoolM Meet Sooner fan, Sooner fan meet coolM. :jcapel

 

[IndySooner]

How many years does he get? You said next couple, so in 2 years Capel would have been here for 7 years. We could potentially be 4 straight years without NCAA tournament with 5 out 7 years spent at home. I say one more year is enough time.

As long as things are moving in a positive direction, he gets how long he needs. To me, that means we'll be back in the tourney in 2013, or at the very least, on the bubble.

That's just a guestimate, though. The bottom line is that this team is better (whether the record indicates it or not) than last year's and next year's needs to be better than this year's.

 

[hoopsaustin]

OU beat Colorado
Colorado beat Kansas State
Kansas State beat Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech beat Florida State
Florida State beat Duke

There you go. We beat Duke. :dance005:

j/k

HAHA that is funny.. well done.. i stand corrected! we beat DUKE!!! :woot