Did Capel Save His Job?

Klegg said:
Actually, we were more of a top 5 team that year.

THIS TEAM has some talent. It's young, but has talent. In fact, I'd venture to say Fitz would take A TON of pressure off BG because of his ability to score in the post. Cam is VERY comparable to WW. Cade is much like Crock. Blair's game would go up a notch with a beast like Griffin on the floor. I don't think you're giving BG (and the other guys I listed) enough credit. They ALL were flat out, studs.
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With that assesment, you wouldn't know that just 7 days ago that this team was staring at becoming only the 2nd team to go winless in Big 12 play.
 
IMHO this is what is going to happen...

We are going to end up losing more than we win.

There will be no action against Capel until the NCAA does their dance on our head with serious sanctions.

Boren and Joe C. will use that as an excuse to fire him and escape the buy out.

We have a new coach next year and start over.

Sorry, just the way I feel.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
IMHO this is what is going to happen...

We are going to end up losing more than we win.

There will be no action against Capel until the NCAA does their dance on our head with serious sanctions.

Boren and Joe C. will use that as an excuse to fire him and escape the buy out.

We have a new coach next year and start over.

Sorry, just the way I feel.
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I'd say IF the NCAA does come down, JC will be fired.

I get the feeling from what's being said that not much is going to occur.
 
Klegg said:
As I said - HUNDREDS. Oh, so because YOU don't think it's a big deal then it must not be. IT'S A RULE HE KNOWINGLY BROKE MANY, MANY TIMES, THEN DID IT AGAIN AT INDIANA. Do you see the pattern? Great Xs/Os coach; dishonest, cheater.
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Sampson did the haters a huge favor when he broke the rules. They have, even since, been able to pretend that they didn't always hate him, that they were huge supporters before the rules violations.

Which, too often, isn't the case at all. The violations just gave them something with which to justify their venom and vitriol.

Any OU fan who rails against Sampson, but doesn't hold Coach Capel responsible for the current NCAA investigation is kidding himself.

Any OU fan who calls Sampson an arrogant a-hole because of the rules violations, but doesn't use those terms to describe (yes, I'm bringing football into the equation) Switzer and Wilkinson, is flirting with hypocrisy.

Many of our fans became downright self-righteous when Sampson's violations were made public, but unless they judge just as harshly the other Sooner coaches who have gotten us into trouble over the years, they're revealing themselves as typical, garden-variety Sampson haters -- just as does anyone who still regularly brings up the first-round losses, several of which came to higher-seeded opponents and were not upsets at all, but never acknowledges the tourney successes -- and consistent regular-season excellence -- we enjoyed during Sampson's tenure.

Coolm, I wish I were as mellow a fan as you, but I'm not, I guess. I think it's a big deal that we will miss the postseason three out of five years, that we have mostly so-so talent on campus now (with an exception or two) and no huge upgrades on the horizon (I'm as excited as anybody to see what Osby brings, but there's no hint of a Tisdale or a BG in our near future).

I can't be satisfied with squeaking into the NIT next season, and I don't understand how anyone can be. If we go three straight seasons without postseason play or even if we sneak into the NIT next season, that's not cause for celebration. We should be better than that. And we should have had enough talent on campus to better withstand the loss of the Terrible Trio than we did. No one thought Warren was sticking around, so we're really just talking about TMG and Tiny. And while it's tough losing those two players (sort of -- they were both disappointing in key ways as freshmen), it's only a disaster if you have virtually no one else behind them. The sad thing is, we had virtually no one else behind them.

Sorry, but that's on Capel, no ifs, ands or buts. And it's on Capel that he brought two guys who weren't going to work hard and play hard, who had serious attitude issues (Capel himself has admitted it). So asking people to accept a five-year post-BG plan from a guy who's made such a mess of things is asking a lot. And if we wait those five years, and the progress has continued to be only been incremental, what then? Will the NIT be good enough in 2013 or '14?

I'm very happy about these two conference wins, but I urge anyone to look at the schedule and tell me when the next one's likely going to come. I'm hard-pressed to say. Maybe it'll be on Saturday in Ames, and if so, no one will be happier than me.
 
skyvue said:
Sampson did the haters a huge favor when he broke the rules. They have, even since, been able to pretend that they didn't always hate him, that they were huge supporters before the rules violations.

Which, too often, isn't the case at all. The violations just gave them something with which to justify their venom and vitriol.

Any OU fan who rails against Sampson, but doesn't hold Coach Capel responsible for the current NCAA investigation is kidding himself.

Any OU fan who calls Sampson an arrogant a-hole because of the rules violations, but doesn't use those terms to describe (yes, I'm bringing football into the equation) Switzer and Wilkinson, is flirting with hypocrisy.

Many of our fans became downright self-righteous when Sampson's violations were made public, but unless they judge just as harshly the other Sooner coaches who have gotten us into trouble over the years, they're revealing themselves as typical, garden-variety Sampson haters -- just as does anyone who still regularly brings up the first-round losses, several of which came to higher-seeded opponents and were not upsets at all, but never acknowledges the tourney successes -- and consistent regular-season excellence -- we enjoyed during Sampson's tenure.
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Not sure why you quoted me and then replied this. I WAS a huge KS supporter. Didn't like his offense, but LOVED, and I mean LOVED the way his teams played D and brought it most every night.

Again, the difference between KS and Switzer is WAAAAAY off. Switzer is a GREAT dude almost to a fault. He's even liked by most of his competitors. Heck, he slept with Lacewell's wife and they are like best friends. He's obviously not a role model for young kids in that respect, but he loves this state, its people and our university. KS misses out on a couple of those IN ADDITION to leaving immediately after getting us put on probation. THAT'S when I quit supporting KS.
 
Klegg said:
Heck, he slept with Lacewell's wife and they are like best friends.
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Most bizarre piece of evidence used by someone attempting to compliment a person's character in the history of time.

Obviously it's pretty difficult (impossible) to know what is in a person's heart, but my impression of Sampson was that he quite liked this state, it's people and it's universities.
 
I always felt that KS and the success we had while he was here was very much taken for granted by most.

I think that had a (small) part in him leaving for Indiana.

That's water under the bridge now, though.
 
Tony said:
Most bizarre piece of evidence used by someone attempting to compliment a person's character in the history of time.

Obviously it's pretty difficult (impossible) to know what is in a person's heart, but my impression of Sampson was that he quite liked this state, it's people and it's universities.
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I know right.
 
Klegg said:
?????
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Those are links showing those not "NORMAL PEOPLE" talking about going winless in conference.

What were your expectations before the season? What are they now? Can you name another game that we can win this season?
 
schoonerdriver said:
Those are links showing those not "NORMAL PEOPLE" talking about going winless in conference.

What were your expectations before the season? What are they now? Can you name another game that we can win this season?
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I dunno. It's hard to say how/if this team will improve. They have a chance here and there. I'm not a gambler by nature and really don't put undue pressure on my teams to win. I thought before the season they would win about 15 games. I didn't count on them losing a couple they lost, but I think it probably ends up being a 12-13 win season. Not good at all.

I'd say after watching several Big XII teams they have a chance against KSU. They actually played pretty well against Baylor down there w/o Cade, so I'd say they have a chance there. Bedlam is always weird.

BTW, if someone said winless, they are not "NORMAL"...that's why I put the question marks. You showing me some unreasonable person exaggerating what they believed our record would be could be taken either way depending on your point of view.
 
I can't believe someone actually said something bad about Barry Switzer.

for shame.

Barry is one of the greatest people on the planet.
 
Klegg said:
I don't think ANY NORMAL PERSON thought they were going winless.
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I thinik I am normal and a fairly well informed basketball fan and I thought it was possible this team could go winless.

I didn't think it was probable but it was possible. Heck if they had given up on themselves when the got down early to Tech it may have happened.
 
Saying something is "possible" doesn't quantify how likely it is.

It's possible we'll win 7 or 8 conference games. See how it works?

We weren't going winless. That whole silly idea was started by some over dramatic Capel haters.
 
colston15 said:
We weren't going winless. That whole silly idea was started by some over dramatic Capel haters.
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Sorry, but that's painting with a broad brush. My dad and I had a conversation about the possibility of us going winless prior to the Tech game, and we both could see it happening, though neither of us thought it would.

I don't think I'm considered a Capel hater around here, but I can assure you my father isn't one.

And now that we've won a couple, I'm having trouble pinning down when our next win might come. I'm not guaranteeing we'll lose the rest of our games, by any stretch, but I wouldn't bet the rent against it, either.
 
skyvue said:
Sorry, but that's painting with a broad brush. My dad and I had a conversation about the possibility of us going winless prior to the Tech game, and we both could see it happening, though neither of us thought it would.

I don't think I'm considered a Capel hater around here, but I can assure you my father isn't one.

And now that we've won a couple, I'm having trouble pinning down when our next win might come. I'm not guaranteeing we'll lose the rest of our games, by any stretch, but I wouldn't bet the rent against it, either.
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A brief look at history shows us that only one team has gone winless in Big 12 play, the 2004 Texas Aggies.

So, basically, you thought we would be the second worst team--ever-- in the history of the Big 12? Really? I'm sorry, but if you truly thought we would go winless, well, you thought wrong. Waaaay wrong.
 
colston15 said:
A brief look at history shows us that only one team has gone winless in Big 12 play, the 2004 Texas Aggies.

So, basically, you thought we would be the second worst team--ever-- in the history of the Big 12? Really? I'm sorry, but if you truly thought we would go winless, well, you thought wrong. Waaaay wrong.
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I'm sorry, did you not read my post? I refer specifically to the part where I said the following:

"we both could see it happening, though neither of us thought it would."

That pretty much establishes the fact that we didn't "truly think" we would go winless, does it not? But if you didn't think it was a possibility, given our non-conference performance, a stretch during which our most impressive win by far was over ORU, and the vast majority of our losses were by double-digits, then you were every bit as delusional as you're accusing us of being.

Clearly, we didn't go winless, but none of us knows how many we'll eventually win in conference. Tech is playing inexplicably badly (unlike us, they're more talented than their record would suggest) and CU is on something of a skid right now (though we played well and I'm proud of the team, we certainly didn't get the Buffaloes' "A" game), so these games were not sure things, by any measure, going in. And one would be hard-pressed to find a sure win among our remaining games. So it was not, entering conference play, that big a stretch to imagine we might be winless at this point in conference play, and looking ahead, it's not that much of a stretch to imagine us going winless the rest of the way.

Thankfully, we did pull off a couple of wins, so it's all moot, but insisting now that it was foolish to ever think we might go winless is, well, taking a stance that is very convenient in its timing.
 
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