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MisterF said:
It's clear. NCAA is more concerned with something that is minor and not the kid's fault than dealing with something that is major like AAU and dirt that is going on between NCAA coaches and AAU coaches.
This kid went to college this summer and did great. For the NCAA to pick this battle is craziness.
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My thoughts exactly! Still, one has to wonder why his high school and the powers that be at OU didn't see this coming sooner?
 
skyvue said:
And if you're a single parent with two jobs and three other kids?

I didn't say it was up to the NCAA, but someone needs to be overseeing these schools. How many lives need to be impacted negatively before one of these basketball factories get a sufficiently bad rap to scare people off? Quite a few, I'm guessing.

High school, both athletics and academics, shouldn't be this complicated and I'm not sure it should even be legally possible for it to be this complicated. There are far too many places for bad apples to hide, and it's too early in a young person's life to be subjecting them to such exploitation.
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Many of the regular public schools don't have counselors who know much about NCAA and getting qualified.
 
skyvue said:
I didn't say it was up to the NCAA, but someone needs to be overseeing these schools. How many lives need to be impacted negatively before one of these basketball factories get a sufficiently bad rap to scare people off? Quite a few, I'm guessing.
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Personally, I don't see having to sit out a year to get your schooling right as impacting you that negatively. Most of these guys in middle school and HS have gotten a free pass because they're good athletes, did that effect them negatively? Appears so.

High school, both athletics and academics, shouldn't be this complicated and I'm not sure it should even be legally possible for it to be this complicated. There are far too many places for bad apples to hide, and it's too early in a young person's life to be subjecting them to such exploitation.
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It's not complicated, stay in one high school and do your coursework correctly. As for the summer circuit, there isn't a whole lot you can do given the enforcement now personnel and budget. All of this oversight costs money, there are tens of thousands of recruits every year.
 
AdaSooner said:
My thoughts exactly! Still, one has to wonder why his high school and the powers that be at OU didn't see this coming sooner?
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I'm all for the NCAA cracking down on this, but where is the money going to come from? Schools going to give back some of their TV payments to chip into the fund? Not likely.

This happens because teams want to win, and they will take a chance on a borderline recruit if the reward is worth it (in their mind).
 
They don't see it coming because they don't apply to ncaa's clearinghouse until they apply sometime. Guys these are Bball factories. Not scholar schools.

OU fought this since the summer.
 
campbest said:
It's not complicated, stay in one high school and do your coursework correctly.
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That's exactly what I was saying before: Jumping from high school to high school is a really bad idea for most of these kids. You seemingly disagreed in a previous post; now it seems you agree with me.

Color me confused.

The "big time" aspect of athletics had no business slipping down to high school (and younger) kids. It's bad enough at the collegiate level, but with high schools recruiting players, basketball-oriented prep "schools," the slimy stuff that goes on in AAU, it's all out of hand. Perhaps it's too late to stuff that money-grubbing genie back in the bottle, but I hope not.

I'm no expert on this stuff and I don't pretend to be, but I'm picking up the stench even from where I sit.
 
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skyvue said:
That's exactly what I was saying before: Jumping from high school to high school is a really bad idea for most of these kids. You seemingly disagreed in a previous post; now it seems you agree with me.

Color me confused.
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I said people should be allowed to do what they want to pursue opportunities and if that includes basketball, great. But if the moves don't work out and academic missteps are made, they should also feel the consequences. Lebron James didn't need to do coursework, he was going to the NBA...but he is in the minority.

The "big time" aspect of athletics had no business slipping down to high school (and younger) kids. It's bad enough at the collegiate level, but with high schools recruiting players, basketball-oriented prep "schools," the slimy stuff that goes on in AAU, it's all out of hand. Perhaps it's too late to stuff that money-grubbing genie back in the bottle, but I hope not.

I'm no expert on this stuff and I don't pretend to be, but I'm picking up the stench even from where I sit.
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There is definitely a stench in some areas, but there also a lot of good opportunities being offered to players who need them. Not every AAU program runs their ship like DC Assault.

Most of this falls on the parents.
 
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campbest said:
I don't see how this is not Buford's fault, he (his family) have just as much blame in this as ACD.
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This 100% Krugers fault. I mean we've been recruiting the kid for 2 years. He's been committed a year. Who should know more about what classes qualify than the head of the program dealt the blow when they don't? It's pretty amazing things this simple get screwed up.
 
This issue happened to Jordan Phillips.
Appeared all clear and qualified. Enrolled in the summer starting taking classes.
Then at the eleventh hour August 5th. NCAA disallowed one of his classes.
Since he was already on campus they let him take a college class as an equivalent.
But he basically he was "ineligible" that fall.
 
bocabull said:
This 100% Krugers fault. I mean we've been recruiting the kid for 2 years. He's been committed a year. Who should know more about what classes qualify than the head of the program dealt the blow when they don't? It's pretty amazing things this simple get screwed up.
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First of does Kruger have any access to the high school kids transcripts? If not it cannot be his fault.

This may not be the issue with Buford, but I have seen this often with athletes and non athletes trying to get into college. A student will take a remedial math class in high school as they need it or just don't want to take an advanced math class and are able to graduate as have taken required math for the state. Then when the enroll in college, the college such as OU will make them either take a test to prove they can take advanced math class or they must retake the remedial math class in college but the class does not count as college credit which means NCAA does not accept as a college class. I had a friend at OU who had to take 2 remedial math classes before he got to a match class that qualified as college credit. He also said many athletes were in his classes.

So all that was to say that even if you qualify with classes you take in High School to graduate, a college may make you still take remedial classes that do not count as college credit.
 
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong, but with Thomas' teammate that transferred for the same reason not getting a waiver, it's almost a sure thing that Thomas won't be waived right?
 
bocabull said:
This 100% Krugers fault. I mean we've been recruiting the kid for 2 years. He's been committed a year. Who should know more about what classes qualify than the head of the program dealt the blow when they don't? It's pretty amazing things this simple get screwed up.
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Clown statement. How's capel? You just troll all day waiting to bring your "A" game.
 
No inside information, but would bet Kruger & Co knew this was a possibility before school started. In their minds, it was worth the risk, got burned on this one though.
 
campbest said:
No inside information, but would bet Kruger & Co knew this was a possibility before school started. In their minds, it was worth the risk, got burned on this one though.
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Got burned? I think it'll be fine, he gets to rs. It's not ideal but if you ask me a top 100 player redshirting and learning from Spangler thomas and staff isn't a bad thing. But yes we needed him to play, we brought in Lattin and mcneace as well so it wasn't like he was our only big
 
CoachTalk said:
Clown statement. How's capel? You just troll all day waiting to bring your "A" game.
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When Keith Clark flunked out I blamed Capel. Of course that was before most people turned on him so I was chastised by the peanut gallery for that too.

Bottom line there's only 10 or so kids you have to monitor to keep eligible and less than a handful to make sure meet admission standards. The clown statement is making excuses for the head of the program with 40 years experience not getting that done.
 
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