Is Frank Haith to MU really a bad hire?

[stoops4pres]

I put very little weight on NCAA tournament success that isn't recent. A few more wins decades ago that didn't lead to a championship aren't very important today IMO. I'd give UT an edge over MU today for what they've done over the past two decades despite not really doing much before that.

Point taken, but there's a difference between historical success and recent success. You were previously arguing historical success. That's what I was responding to.

And what exactly are you referring to as "recent" success? 5 years? 10 years? 25 years? OU is unquestionably superior to Mizzou in any time frame one would arbitrarily use except for the last 5 years.

 

[stanley11]

In answer to the original question about Haith being a bad hire... No. It's a great hire (for OU and the rest of the Big 12).

 

[152219]

I put very little weight on NCAA tournament success that isn't recent. A few more wins decades ago that didn't lead to a championship aren't very important today IMO. I'd give UT an edge over MU today for what they've done over the past two decades despite not really doing much before that.

Well, the breakdown since the inception of the 64 team field was also done. OU leads Mizzou in every category since 1984-1985 including conference titles. And better results in the NCAA tourney which is used as the ultimate barometer as teams proudly hang up Final Four banners in their rafters.

 

[SilliSooner]

In answer to the original question about Haith being a bad hire... No. It's a great hire (for OU and the rest of the Big 12).

I'd echo that if Miami were still open and Frank Martin left to take the job. What's the status on the Miami job?

 

[thebigabd]

Miami is one of the worst high-major basketball jobs in the United States. Its like taking over at Nebraska. They just dont give a crap about basketball there.

Now, coming out of Texas he was a pretty big name and was known as an elite recruiter. He will now return to this part of the country, and I suspect he could do pretty well.

I mean, the guy was not a total failure at UM. That job sucks. Its probably a worse job than Nebraska. They just brought basketball back to the school in the late 1980's, lol.

23-11
19-13
20-13
21-14

Those are the last 4 seasons for Miami.

-Has more postseason wins than any other coach in Miami men's basketball history. (that tells you about the program)
-Has more post-season appearances than any other coach in school history.
-In 2009-10, Haith led the Hurricanes to a 15-1 start for just the second time in program history and the first since 1959-60.
-Haith then guided Miami into the ACC Tournament semifinals for the first time in program history.
-Opened the 2008-09 season ranked among the nation's Top 25 in both preseason polls for just the second time in UM history.
-With that NCAA Tournament appearance in 2008, Haith became the first coach in Miami history to take UM to the postseason in three of his first four seasons at the helm -- and has since become the only coach in program history to take the Hurricanes to the postseason in four of his first five seasons.

I think, being such a big name at Texas, that he made a mistake going to the biggest dump of a basketball program in the nation.

I bet (assuming all the players stay) that he wins 25 games next season, and recruits well going forward.

It looks bad right now, but you could argue that he was the best coach in the history of Miami basketball. Its just a dump program.

Hopefully the Frank Haith prediction gets me out of thinking OSU would be good, lol. Break even, if you will.

But seriously, I doubt anyone thought Frank Haith would be 14-0 and have a top 7 basketball team right now.

 

[NormanPride]

Having that talent sure helps!

 

[WTSooner]

Give him a couple of years. Not saying Mizzou will suck, but I don't think they'll consistently finish in the top 2-3 of the SEC, and that is a step down in competition.

 

[JBaker]

Give him a couple of years. Not saying Mizzou will suck, but I don't think they'll consistently finish in the top 2-3 of the SEC, and that is a step down in competition.

Yep, it's way too early to judge him as a coach.
He's starting 4 seniors and a junior. He didn't recruit or develop any of those players.

Yes, Missouri is very good, but I don't know how much of that can be attributed to Haith being a good coach. Capel won 30 games at OU.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

i'm not sure on him either but it looks like mizzou was very disciplined and played great on ball defense and were swarming the ball. That may be do to the experience of the players or the coaching or both.

 

[Sawyer]

He didn't recruit or develop any of those players.

The difference between this year and last for English and Ratliff is night and day. Haith is responsible for a lot of that. While it's true he didn't develop these guys from the beginning, it's not like they were finished products, either.

 

[sdcloud9]

The difference between this year and last for English and Ratliff is night and day. Haith is responsible for a lot of that. While it's true he didn't develop these guys from the beginning, it's not like they were finished products, either.

Congrats on the win Sawyer, Mizzou is the real deal. Just hope they don't peak too soon.

 

[thebigabd]

Yep, it's way too early to judge him as a coach.
He's starting 4 seniors and a junior. He didn't recruit or develop any of those players.

Yes, Missouri is very good, but I don't know how much of that can be attributed to Haith being a good coach. Capel won 30 games at OU.

Thats a terrible example... I doubt any of those MU players play in the NBA, and OU had a global superstar.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Thebigadb... Making 9 predictions a year.. Shamelessly bumping them when one actually comes true...

 

[MsProudSooner]

He's certainly done a good job with Mike Anderson's recruits. But, you really won't know how good or bad the hire is until he fields a team made up entirely of his recruits.

 

[sperry]

Having a bunch of good senior guards is such an insane advantage in college basketball. We see teams like this make insane runs quite often and end up as very high seeds in the tournament(St. Joes a few years ago, Illinois a few years ago, Villanova a few years ago are examples off the top of my head). Those teams come back to reality once those guards are gone.


We'll find out about Haith shortly. He didn't have success at Miami, so I'll believe he'll have success at Missouri when I see it. Fortunately for him, the SEC is an awful basketball conference, so it shouldn't be hard to at least finish in the top 6 or so year in year out.

 

[campbest]

Yep, it's way too early to judge him as a coach.
He's starting 4 seniors and a junior. He didn't recruit or develop any of those players.

Yes, Missouri is very good, but I don't know how much of that can be attributed to Haith being a good coach. Capel won 30 games at OU.

The younger Pressey is a sophomore...and a Bob Cousey finalist, btw. Which means if the old narrative is ture that college players improve the most between the end of the of their freshman and sophomore seasons, than Haith does deserve credit for development.

Sure...having English and Denmon helps a ton, but it's not like they are oozing with depth...give the man some credit.