March Madness and Covid-19

[WaymanFan]

Do you find it odd?

With one exception, I do not partake in political debates because I’ve yet to read anyone “changing their mind” because of someone else stating their opinions. People generally change their mind based on personal experiences. That said, to answer your question, of course it is odd. I would have given the same answer if that professor had cried if Hillary won. Of course, my brother may not have been quite as passionate about calling the school, but I know he would still be mad.

 

[BCSooners]

See my post above

So his political director told the Times that Obama said that he was better at 3 things than the 3 people on his team who was in charge of it? Yeah that’s the same thing as Trump saying all of ABD’s quotes in press conferences and then showing he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Good try though

 

[sheepdogs1]

So his political director told the Times that Obama said that he was better at 3 things than the 3 people on his team who was in charge of it? Yeah that’s the same thing as Trump saying all of ABD’s quotes in press conferences and then showing he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Good try though

So, getting the death count wrong after a tornado is better than getting the population of Seoul and Tokyo mixed up. In what delusional world. I'm pegging you as a fun facts type of guy.

Why does everything have to be a pissing contest? I mean how big is that void in your life? If you've been a pedophile for only a week you are a better person than a pedophile who has been at it for a year. Pull up your damn zipper please and stop the skull cucking, it is annoying.

 

[MJSooner]

Look at the last 6 quarters of the Obama administration and tell us what direction GDP was moving. The average gdp was 1.58%

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Factory jobs returning to the country

Tax cuts

Deregulation

Increased consumer and business optimism

Increased wages

I was hoping WTSooner would reply as he was the one touting Trump's record. It is common that people talk about how great a politician is but when you ask what specifically makes him or his policies great, they cannot tell you.

But to address your points here is the comparison on annual GDP on a 3-year basis:
2014- 2.5 2015- 2.9 2016- 1.6
2017- 2.4 2018- 2.9 2019- 2.3
So where is this whole "revitalization of the economy" that supporters point to? it looks very similar to me.

You also mentioned other things that Trump and his supporters tout as success, but what did Trump do, other than the Tax Cut (which is debatable as to how successful that has been for the economy-see the GDP), to spur those changes? How has deregulation helped the economy, what exactly has that done to result in economic data?

I didn't think it was accurate to give Clinton majority credit for the economy in the '90s just as it wasn't fair to blame Bush for the tech bubble or the great Recession. I think the same can be said of the economy for the last few years as the economy has continued the same path.

Like I replied to WT, if Trump actually is the one that impacted these numbers, it should be easy to cite the specific actions and policies.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I was hoping WTSooner would reply as he was the one touting Trump's record. It is common that people talk about how great a politician is but when you ask what specifically makes him or his policies great, they cannot tell you.

But to address your points here is the comparison on annual GDP on a 3-year basis:
2014- 2.5 2015- 2.9 2016- 1.6
2017- 2.4 2018- 2.9 2019- 2.3
So where is this whole "revitalization of the economy" that supporters point to? it looks very similar to me.

You also mentioned other things that Trump and his supporters tout as success, but what did Trump do, other than the Tax Cut (which is debatable as to how successful that has been for the economy-see the GDP), to spur those changes? How has deregulation helped the economy, what exactly has that done to result in economic data?

I didn't think it was accurate to give Clinton majority credit for the economy in the '90s just as it wasn't fair to blame Bush for the tech bubble or the great Recession. I think the same can be said of the economy for the last few years as the economy has continued the same path.

Like I replied to WT, if Trump actually is the one that impacted these numbers, it should be easy to cite the specific actions and policies.

I'll stand by the last 6 quarters of gdp growth. It was in a decline state of mind. That changed with a different administration.

Factory jobs pay higher salary usually than a host of service jobs plus they usually offer better benefits. This helped middle income to lower level income America.

And sustaining an economy is a different breed than lighting the flame under one.

 

[MJSooner]

Trump may be a narcissist, but Obama is the narcissistic poster boy. His favorite topic? You guessed it...himself. Case in point, a speech in Germany last April where he referred to himself 392 times.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/7/inside-the-beltway-obama-references-himself-467-ti/

Even Trump supporters would agree on his healthy ego, but make no mistake, as Ada points out, Obama loved him some Obama. He just wasn't bombastic about it.

Every person in power or leadership has to have a confidence and a healthy "me the leader" attitude, but we have seen the definition of self-love in leadership in the last few years.

 

[BCSooners]

So, getting the death count wrong after a tornado is better than getting the population of Seoul and Tokyo mixed up. In what delusional world. I'm pegging you as a fun facts type of guy.

Why does everything have to be a pissing contest? I mean how big is that void in your life? If you've been a pedophile for only a week you are a better person than a pedophile who has been at it for a year. Pull up your damn zipper please and stop the skull cucking, it is annoying.

I said in a previous post getting the population wrong wasn’t a big deal to me, just stop saying your the best at everything.

I wasn’t even replying to you, you’ve been more active in this thread with your dumb comparisons such as pedophile history, so feel free to shut the hell up.

 

[WTSooner]

I was hoping WTSooner would reply as he was the one touting Trump's record. It is common that people talk about how great a politician is but when you ask what specifically makes him or his policies great, they cannot tell you.

lol, that's because it's usually not about any huge policy changes. It's usually about the feel and vibe of the President. Business owners know Trump's policies will be for them, so they run their business in a more wide-open manner. It's all you heard about before the election, before there was any talk or action on what Trump might change. He's changed things as have been noted, but more than anything, the economy will always run better and do better and grow more under a President like Trump, than say, an Obama. Is that really debatable? You have a President that wants jobs, wants people working, and wants unemployment low. Every small policy change he makes is to drive that platform. Obama, for example, didn't have that same platform. His platform was more about moving us forward (in some eyes) in terms of renewable energy. And also part of his platform was taxing larger companies and higher income earners. That Trump platform and that Obama platform, while not polar opposites, are certainly on opposite ends of the spectrum. And the economy, historically, has responded to that.

 

[steverocks35]

Trump may be a narcissist, but Obama is the narcissistic poster boy. His favorite topic? You guessed it...himself. Case in point, a speech in Germany last April where he referred to himself 392 times.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/7/inside-the-beltway-obama-references-himself-467-ti/

I was just looking at this thread while taking my lunch break and I had to reply to this. If you click on the link you will see that the "speech" wasn't a speech at all, it was a 90 minute townhall where people asked President Obama all kinds of questions. Since they didn't actually post the transcript of the "speech" (why would they do something crazy like post the words of a "speech" they're criticizing???) I will assume that the people asked him all kinds of questions about his life and career. Now you tell me, how do you answer questions like that without using the pronouns "I", "me", and "my?" I am laughing so hard at the image of someone listening to the 90 minute townhall and counting every time he said those words and then writing a dumb story about how that is somehow evidence of narcissism. It's really amazing.

 

[MJSooner]

I'll stand by the last 6 quarters of gdp growth. It was in a decline state of mind. That changed with a different administration.

And sustaining an economy is a different breed than lighting the flame under one.

Picking those last 6 quarters was very selective, much like what we've talked about on this board for the last 100 pages on picking specific data, it doesn't show the true picture.

In late 2015 into 2016, China had a financial bubble and had changed its currency values. It caused our dollar to spike. The economies in China and Asia were impacted, which resulted in a dramatic downturn in the emerging markets space and it severely impacted energy and agriculture, resulting in a slow down in our GDP. But it wasn't because of our economic conditions. Blaming that slowdown on our economy would be similar to blaming the current energy crisis overseas on Trump. That is why it is more accurate to take a 3 year GDP number.

But like WT, can you not cite specific policies that contributed to those numbers or what actions were taken that resulted in improved economic data or job numbers and an "economic revitalization"? I put that in quotes because nothing points to the fact that we have a revitalized economy, just a sustained one. If it is harder to sustain one, again, there should be actions you can cite that make a difference.

The only reason you have is an improved state of mind (which as someone center-right I agree with BTW) so maybe Trump's actions had very little to do with it.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Picking those last 6 quarters was very selective, much like what we've talked about on this board for the last 100 pages on picking specific data, it doesn't show the true picture.

In late 2015 into 2016, China had a financial bubble and had changed its currency values. It caused our dollar to spike. The economies in China and Asia were impacted, which resulted in a dramatic downturn in the emerging markets space and it severely impacted energy and agriculture, resulting in a slow down in our GDP. But it wasn't because of our economic conditions. Blaming that slowdown on our economy would be similar to blaming the current energy crisis overseas on Trump. That is why it is more accurate to take a 3 year GDP number.

But like WT, can you not cite specific policies that contributed to those numbers or what actions were taken that resulted in improved economic data or job numbers and an "economic revitalization"? I put that in quotes because nothing points to the fact that we have a revitalized economy, just a sustained one. If it is harder to sustain one, again, there should be actions you can cite that make a difference.

The only reason you have is an improved state of mind (which as someone center-right I agree with BTW) so maybe Trump's actions had very little to do with it.

The way I see it 6 quarters is a trend or it is not a trend. One of the two is accurate. It was the end of the previous administration which is why it was cited.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I was just looking at this thread while taking my lunch break and I had to reply to this. If you click on the link you will see that the "speech" wasn't a speech at all, it was a 90 minute townhall where people asked President Obama all kinds of questions. Since they didn't actually post the transcript of the "speech" (why would they do something crazy like post the words of a "speech" they're criticizing???) I will assume that the people asked him all kinds of questions about his life and career. Now you tell me, how do you answer questions like that without using the pronouns "I", "me", and "my?" I am laughing so hard at the image of someone listening to the 90 minute townhall and counting every time he said those words and then writing a dumb story about how that is somehow evidence of narcissism. It's really amazing.

It's called hanging on everyone's word.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I said in a previous post getting the population wrong wasn’t a big deal to me, just stop saying your the best at everything.

I wasn’t even replying to you, you’ve been more active in this thread with your dumb comparisons such as pedophile history, so feel free to shut the hell up.

Because you insist on turning everything into a pissing contest is why. You referenced abd's quotes and you did so for a specific reason. You're trying to make a comparison how one person touts more things wrongly than another. Aren't you? That is why I used the pedophile analogy because wrong is wrong. All you want to do is focus on the wrong of one rather than the wrong of all and that is the obvious point. You are a pick and choose type of guy. It is called convenience and they are the low of the low.

 

[MJSooner]

He's changed things as have been noted, but more than anything, the economy will always run better and do better and grow more under a President like Trump, than say, an Obama. Is that really debatable? You have a President that wants jobs, wants people working, and wants unemployment low....
That Trump platform and that Obama platform, while not polar opposites, are certainly on opposite ends of the spectrum. And the economy, historically, has responded to that.

A couple of points from your reply.

• You said that we have President that wants jobs, wants people working, and wants unemployment low... are you implying that Obama didn't want that? C'mon.
• You also said the economy will always do better and grow more under a president like Trump than Obama and it's not debatable. As a conservative center-right, I can't believe I am citing this statistic, but you do know that, since WWII, GDP under a Democrat president is 4.4% but under a Republican president it is 2.5%. More than anything I think it proves my point that the economy & markets run on cycles more influenced by companies' earnings, not by presidents.
• You also stated that Obama's platform was to raise taxes. Are you aware he actually cut income taxes more than he raised them? He cut taxes four times in major bills, and of course, raised them on certain wage earners and businesses in the ACA. Not saying I supported him, but saying he was about raising taxes as a part of his platform is a misnomer.

Ultimately my point is, if you tout that a President has revitalized our economy, which the numbers would indicate he has not, but just sustained it, you should be able to tell me what he did. Every time a strong Trump supporter says Trump's policies have done a great job for the economy, it seems as if they struggle to say what he actually did. The only comeback is to point out how Obama sucked.

I didn't like Obama's positions either, but just because I didn't like him or his policies doesn't mean the policies now are successful.

 

[MJSooner]

The way I see it 6 quarters is a trend or it is not a trend. One of the two is accurate. It was the end of the previous administration which is why it was cited.

So the reasoning on why Trump is great for the economy is to just point out GDP in the last 6 quarters of Obama, which was influenced by emerging markets activities? That is the only "specific" to support that Trump is doing great with the economy?

 

[MJSooner]

I was just looking at this thread while taking my lunch break and I had to reply to this. If you click on the link you will see that the "speech" wasn't a speech at all, it was a 90 minute townhall where people asked President Obama all kinds of questions. Since they didn't actually post the transcript of the "speech" (why would they do something crazy like post the words of a "speech" they're criticizing???) I will assume that the people asked him all kinds of questions about his life and career. Now you tell me, how do you answer questions like that without using the pronouns "I", "me", and "my?" I am laughing so hard at the image of someone listening to the 90 minute townhall and counting every time he said those words and then writing a dumb story about how that is somehow evidence of narcissism. It's really amazing.

It's called hanging on everyone's word.

As we have debated on this board, a President's words matter or they do not. You cannot say words matter in some cases, but not in other cases.

I respect Obama as a person and father but did not support his policies. My position on the current president is more opposite of that. But what I don't think can be denied, especially if you look at with an open mind, the one thing they both have in common is a strong love for self.

 

[steverocks35]

As we have debated on this board, a President's words matter or they do not. You cannot say words matter in some cases, but not in other cases.

I respect Obama as a person and father but did not support his policies. My position on the current president is more opposite of that. But what I don't think can be denied, especially if you look at with an open mind, the one thing they both have in common is a strong love for self.

Maybe, but you're going to have to find me better "proof" than that article lol

 

[MJSooner]

I know a lot of companies have pitched in to try to help the fight to combat the virus, including Tesla & GM, but since this has a sports twist, I thought it was pretty cool.

https://www.bauer.com/en-US/bauer-medical-face-shield-faq.html

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...ate-maker-to-medical-face-shield-manufacturer

 

[sheepdogs1]

So the reasoning on why Trump is great for the economy is to just point out GDP in the last 6 quarters of Obama, which was influenced by emerging markets activities? That is the only "specific" to support that Trump is doing great with the economy?

I was comparing one trend to another and that is an example. I'm not suggesting it is a tell all for there would likely be other causes. The reason why I pointed out the down trend to an uptrend is because they are not one in the same. That's all.

 

[BCSooners]

Because you insist on turning everything into a pissing contest is why. You referenced abd's quotes and you did so for a specific reason. You're trying to make a comparison how one person touts more things wrongly than another. Aren't you? That is why I used the pedophile analogy because wrong is wrong. All you want to do is focus on the wrong of one rather than the wrong of all and that is the obvious point. You are a pick and choose type of guy. It is called convenience and they are the low of the low.

I said I don’t care if Trump misspeaks. I’m tired of his narcissism, antics, & divisive nature. I quoted ABD to help prove a point I was making. I gave him credit for lowering welfare, but pointed out a lot more things that I think he’s been wrong to a poster who was defending him. I see you haven’t refuted any of my points or opinions just trying to attack how I go about it. I’m not a pick & choose guy, I’ll answer any question as long as the other poster shows the same courtesy. You want to talk about convenience? When someone disputes what you say with facts you change the subject or say I choose what I want to see. Like you are doing with MJ right now on economic growth.