March Madness and Covid-19

[steverocks35]

Updated numbers for the state of Oklahoma
Covid-19 positives jumped from 719 yesterday to 879 today
Deaths went from 30 to 34.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

 

[thebigabd]

I agree. Had trump tried a shutdown and aggressive social distancing in January, the dems and liberals would’ve called him a racist and fought him every step of the way, same as they did when he invoked the travel ban, which was a great idea and the appropriate action at the time.

That's ridiculous. He shut down travel with China, but didn't deal with Europe in time. A lot of our spread was due to travel from Italy, where we knew they had a problem. Then they even bungled that with all the exclusions and trying to leave the UK off. Nobody would have called him racist for that, and even if they did (which they wouldn't) you brush that off if you feel its protecting our country.

I am angry and frustrated with the government over their initial handling and slow response to the crisis. That is the way the govt has always handled things tho, so we shouldn’t be surprised by that. However, it’s the entire governments fault, not just 1 man.

Wrong. The early handling and slow response is on him. He was the national mouthpiece for the situation in the United States. Him.... AND ONLY HIM. He is on interviews every night, tweeting, briefing, speaking to reports. Those tweets, interviews, pressers, etc get mass distributed across news networks, social media, email, all the way down to the office water cooler...

And he flat-out misread it, misled, etc... Nobody took it seriously based on HIS actions. Many govs, like Kevin Stitt, didn't take it seriously at first because they were following the Trump line.. His base, and its substantial, believes damn near everything the guy says. I know you all personally know people who didn't believe this was even a thing until we were well past the point of being able to deny it. They thought that way because of him.

On top of all that, he never filled the department within his own government to deal with global pandemics. THAT IS ON HIM.

Stop this nonsense of trying to exonerate him... Just stop. He bungled this. He made it worse. This isn't some Republican or Democrat issue. He either bungled it or he didn't, and the evidence that he did is overwhelming.

"When you have 15 people, and very soon it's going to be down close to 0"
-Donald Trump, in January

"We pretty much shut it down coming in China"
-Donald Trump

"We have it very much under control in this country.”
-Donald Trump, in February

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”"
-Donald Trump, in February

“So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”
-Donald Trump, in February

"It will go away, just stay calm"
-Donald Trump, in January

"We have it very well under control"
-Donald Trump, in January

"This is their new hoax"
-Donald Trump, in January

"Typically, it will go away in April"
-Donald Trump, January 30th

"It's going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will just disappear"
-Donald Trump

"You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I’m not sure anybody even knows what it is"
-Donald Trump in March

"Americans will have access to vaccines, relatively soon"
-Donald Trump

“Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.”
-Donald Trump, February 10th

“No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.”
-Donald Trump, in March

 

[sheepdogs1]

That's ridiculous. He shut down travel with China, but didn't deal with Europe in time. A lot of our spread was due to travel from Italy, where we knew they had a problem. Then they even bungled that with all the exclusions and trying to leave the UK off. Nobody would have called him racist for that, and even if they did (which they wouldn't) you brush that off if you feel its protecting our country.



Wrong. The early handling and slow response is on him. He was the national mouthpiece for the situation in the United States. Him.... AND ONLY HIM. He is on interviews every night, tweeting, briefing, speaking to reports. Those tweets, interviews, pressers, etc get mass distributed across news networks, social media, email, all the way down to the office water cooler...

And he flat-out misread it, misled, etc... Nobody took it seriously based on HIS actions. Many govs, like Kevin Stitt, didn't take it seriously at first because they were following the Trump line.. His base, and its substantial, believes damn near everything the guy says. I know you all personally know people who didn't believe this was even a thing until we were well past the point of being able to deny it. They thought that way because of him.

On top of all that, he never filled the department within his own government to deal with global pandemics. THAT IS ON HIM.

Stop this nonsense of trying to exonerate him... Just stop. He bungled this. He made it worse. This isn't some Republican or Democrat issue. He either bungled it or he didn't, and the evidence that he did is overwhelming.

"When you have 15 people, and very soon it's going to be down close to 0"
-Donald Trump, in January

"We pretty much shut it down coming in China"
-Donald Trump

"We have it very much under control in this country.”
-Donald Trump, in February

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”"
-Donald Trump, in February

“So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”
-Donald Trump, in February

"It will go away, just stay calm"
-Donald Trump, in January

"We have it very well under control"
-Donald Trump, in January

"This is their new hoax"
-Donald Trump, in January

"Typically, it will go away in April"
-Donald Trump, January 30th

"It's going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will just disappear"
-Donald Trump

"You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I’m not sure anybody even knows what it is"
-Donald Trump in March

"Americans will have access to vaccines, relatively soon"
-Donald Trump

“Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.”
-Donald Trump, February 10th

“No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.”
-Donald Trump, in March

When the travel ban for China became real it was viewed as being racist and the virus was touted as being not as worse as the flu 2 months ago by most media outlets. Which outlets? Take your pick.

In your estimation why was this necessary. Was it helpful. What was the motivation. Simple questions should have simple answers.

 

[WTSooner]

What's weird (it's really not) is that the people that didn't like Trump before this still don't like him and don't like the way he's handled this.

And the folks that were on board with Trump before this likely still are.

Polling numbers support that. Crazy, huh?

 

[thebigabd]

When the travel ban for China became real it was viewed as being racist and the virus was touted as being not as worse as the flu 2 months ago by most media outlets. Which outlets? Take your pick.

In your estimation why was this necessary. Was it helpful. What was the motivation. Simple questions should have simple answers.

1.) You missed the important part... If someone in the media says your policy is racist, but your experts tell you its going to be protect American's from a deadly illness. You do it. Sometimes being a leader means you make the right call, even if it means you get blasted. You are trying to blame Chris Cuomo or Anderson Cooper, people without access to the best intelligence system in the world, for Donald Trump not taking stronger measures.

2.) Why was what necessary or helpful? Me showing that the response is on Trump? Because you guys are trying everything you possibly can to make it not about him when its staring you right in the face that it's him. You honestly expect people, even normal people like us, to sit around and say nothing to hold this guy accountable?

 

[thebigabd]

What's weird (it's really not) is that the people that didn't like Trump before this still don't like him and don't like the way he's handled this.

And the folks that were on board with Trump before this likely still are.

Polling numbers support that. Crazy, huh?

What's weird is that you guys can't pull your head out of your ass and criticize this guy for anything. Nothing he says bothers you... Nothing he does bothers you. None of his actions, words, or policies are worthy of your disdain. You can't bring yourself to agree with valid criticism. You can't bring yourself to bring forward valid criticism. If you do, you basically dip your toe in the water and say "ok, I don't like what he said, but its a lot of other peoples fault too!!!"...

Believe it or not, you guys have a relationship with Donald Trump that isn't that different than with a cult leader, or like brainwashed people in North Korea with Kim Jong-Un. He is basically a deity to you guys.

 

[sheepdogs1]

1.) You missed the important part... If someone in the media says your policy is racist, but your experts tell you its going to be protect American's from a deadly illness. You do it. Sometimes being a leader means you make the right call, even if it means you get blasted. You are trying to blame Chris Cuomo or Anderson Cooper, people without access to the best intelligence system in the world, for Donald Trump not taking stronger measures.

2.) Why was what necessary or helpful? Me showing that the response is on Trump. Because you guys are trying everything you possibly can to make it not about him when its staring you right in the face that it's him. You honestly expect people, even normal people like us, to sit around and say nothing to hold this guy accountable?

Simple questions should have simple answers.

If the government wants to implement a policy and the media sows the seeds of discontent then does that lead to an easy implementation of the policy or does it make it a difficult one. Why make something which is to be important and accepted by all and create a divide so it does not occur. What would the purpose be? Normal people can recognize a game when one exists.

 

[thebigabd]

Simple questions should have simple answers.

If the government wants to implement a policy and the media sows the seeds of discontent then does that lead to an easy implementation of the policy or does it make it a difficult one. Why make something which is to be important and accepted by all and create a divide so it does not occur. What would the purpose be? Normal people can recognize a game when one exists.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[sheepdogs1]

What's weird is that you guys can't pull your head out of your ass and criticize this guy for anything. Nothing he says bothers you... Nothing he does bothers you. None of his actions, words, or policies are worthy of your disdain. You can't bring yourself to agree with valid criticism. You can't bring yourself to bring forward valid criticism. If you do, you basically dip your toe in the water and say "ok, I don't like what he said, but its a lot of other peoples fault too!!!"...

Believe it or not, you guys have a relationship with Donald Trump that isn't that different than with a cult leader, or like brainwashed people in North Korea with Kim Jong-Un. He is basically a deity to you guys.

Why be so filthy. I did not nor will i vote for him. What more do you need to know. Regardless of what he does he will be met with disdain. Just put the sickness down and clean up your act.


If you have children and you want them to act accordingly and your wife tells them otherwise you would be happy with that realization? The media wanted people to resist anything the government was to institute and people wonder why they, the people, don't take it seriously. Brilliant!

 

[sheepdogs1]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Dude. The headlines back in early February stated the virus was not worse than the flu. How are citizens to transition to taking it as seriously as possible if they are told it is not. Hi.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Picking those last 6 quarters was very selective, much like what we've talked about on this board for the last 100 pages on picking specific data, it doesn't show the true picture.

In late 2015 into 2016, China had a financial bubble and had changed its currency values. It caused our dollar to spike. The economies in China and Asia were impacted, which resulted in a dramatic downturn in the emerging markets space and it severely impacted energy and agriculture, resulting in a slow down in our GDP. But it wasn't because of our economic conditions. Blaming that slowdown on our economy would be similar to blaming the current energy crisis overseas on Trump. That is why it is more accurate to take a 3 year GDP number.

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China's average GDP since 2015-2016 is lower. Also, the Chinese government has since purposely weakened their currency beyond the previously determined peg.

 

[WTSooner]

What's weird is that you guys can't pull your head out of your ass and criticize this guy for anything. Nothing he says bothers you... Nothing he does bothers you. None of his actions, words, or policies are worthy of your disdain. You can't bring yourself to agree with valid criticism. You can't bring yourself to bring forward valid criticism. If you do, you basically dip your toe in the water and say "ok, I don't like what he said, but its a lot of other peoples fault too!!!"...

Believe it or not, you guys have a relationship with Donald Trump that isn't that different than with a cult leader, or like brainwashed people in North Korea with Kim Jong-Un. He is basically a deity to you guys.

STFU! Seriously. If you can't have a discussion about this without constantly insulting those on the other side from you, get lost.

I've seen those that lean conservative, in this thread, criticize Trump plenty. Several of us have said over and over that we hate how he talks to and about people, and just runs his mouth at times. We've also stated why there are other aspects of his presidency that trump that.

What I have NOT seen is anybody from the left give a flipping inch on anything Trump or conservative related. What I've seen from the left is that they are a bunch of blow hard know-it-alls.

That is what I've SEEN!

 

[sheepdogs1]

STFU! Seriously. If you can't have a discussion about this without constantly insulting those on the other side from you, get lost.

I've seen those that lean conservative, in this thread, criticize Trump plenty. Several of us have said over and over that we hate how he talks to and about people, and just runs his mouth at times. We've also stated why there are other aspects of his presidency that trump that.

What I have NOT seen is anybody from the left give a flipping inch on anything Trump or conservative related. What I've seen from the left is that they are a bunch of blow hard know-it-alls.
That is what I've SEEN!

They need to take the blinders down. You'd think most of them eat oats out of a bucket.

I said he was petty yesterday.

MJ Sooner has repeatedly criticized him.

And you have as well as have others such as Bouldersooner and so on and in some non-understood way it doesn't qualify as criticism. In what world.

 

[thebigabd]

STFU! Seriously. If you can't have a discussion about this without constantly insulting those on the other side from you, get lost.

I've seen those that lean conservative, in this thread, criticize Trump plenty. Several of us have said over and over that we hate how he talks to and about people, and just runs his mouth at times. We've also stated why there are other aspects of his presidency that trump that.

What I have NOT seen is anybody from the left give a flipping inch on anything Trump or conservative related. What I've seen from the left is that they are a bunch of blow hard know-it-alls.

That is what I've SEEN!

Ok, you're right... I lost it a little bit. To my knowledge, that was the first time I attacked someone on this forum. I will take it a step back and avoid direct attacks, as it is not a valid way to debate.

You guys have said a little about how he talks, but it comes across as "he just doesn't articulate things well"... as if he isn't a total nut. That's the frustrating part to a lot of us, I think. It's just downplaying how extremely dishonest, misleading, etc he really is when it gets wrapped up in a big blob of sugarcoating... "yea he just talks funny sometimes, but everything he does is super!"... That's how it looks to me.

Ok, so he closed the travel from China. Can you tell me how else you believe he handled this the best he possibly could? What about this do you admire? This is a legitimate question... I want to consider your point of view. From the beginning, what did he do right, and what did he do wrong... from the conservative viewpoint? I'd rather no go reading through 2,500 posts in case I missed it. Would any of you be willing to put a quick bullet list down? I haven't seen much of what he has done well, just defense from attackers on what he did wrong.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Ok, you're right... I lost it a little bit. To my knowledge, that was the first time I attacked someone on this forum. I will take it a step back and avoid direct attacks, as it is not a valid way to debate.

You guys have said a little about how he talks, but it comes across as "he just doesn't articulate things well"... as if he isn't a total nut. That's the frustrating part to a lot of us, I think. It's just downplaying how extremely dishonest, misleading, etc he really is when it gets wrapped up in a big blob of sugarcoating... "yea he just talks funny sometimes, but everything he does is super!"... That's how it looks to me.

Ok, so he closed the travel from China. Can you tell me how else you believe he handled this the best he possibly could? What about this do you admire? This is a legitimate question... I want to consider your point of view. From the beginning, what did he do right, and what did he do wrong... from the conservative viewpoint? I'd rather no go reading through 2,500 posts in case I missed it. Would any of you be willing to put a quick bullet list down? I haven't seen much of what he has done well, just defense from attackers on what he did wrong.

The media is also dishonest and misleading and they help structure the narrative of the story at hand. For close to 2 years it was Marcia, Marcia, Marcia (and she was kinda cute!).

For weeks ,if not months, the House of Representatives spent all their waking hours trying to impeach instead of really caring about their fellow man and "help" to prepare for the situation "we" all are faced with. All of us.

 

[coolm]

I dont know that any early actions other than closing travel could have been expected of anyone. My existing gripe (other than trump's being trump) was the waiting for testing - the whole thing with his son-on-laws' brother owning the company that benefits from the slow down just annoys me as does any of that crap be it Biden or the Clintons of Trumps or whoever. I am sick of the rich constantly benefiting at the expense of workers.

I was worried about this 15 day thing and trump's emphasis on Easter but it appears he let smarter minds prevail and that press conference before last was actually a big step forward in my opinion.

the little just in time inventory thing he's trying to do with the ventilators ... I get it and it's a good idea given the need and the lag before our mfg. response kicks in. you can't ask him to take central authority and then balk when he does it and exercises control.

I think I am giving and have given trump a fair chance all along. it's his idiocy that turned my stomach on him.

 

[MJSooner]

Updated numbers for the state of Oklahoma
Covid-19 positives jumped from 719 yesterday to 879 today
Deaths went from 30 to 34.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

I guess the Mayor from Norman was on MSNBC last night. She talked about how OK may have 5000 cases currently. I think that was also on KFOR.

 

[hoopsaustin]

What's weird is that you guys can't pull your head out of your ass and criticize this guy for anything. Nothing he says bothers you... Nothing he does bothers you. None of his actions, words, or policies are worthy of your disdain. You can't bring yourself to agree with valid criticism. You can't bring yourself to bring forward valid criticism. If you do, you basically dip your toe in the water and say "ok, I don't like what he said, but its a lot of other peoples fault too!!!"...

Believe it or not, you guys have a relationship with Donald Trump that isn't that different than with a cult leader, or like brainwashed people in North Korea with Kim Jong-Un. He is basically a deity to you guys.

Reread this entire thread you derp da derr. Many times righties say they wish hed speak or act differently at times and do things differently at times. I would like him too sometimes as well (not commonly). But sometimes its necessary imo. And hes done a great job on most things.

Do you libs understand that USA isn't the only country with the virus? Everyone wants to travel to and from the USA? We do commerce with the entire world? We have a big population? We probably have more tests than most or a majority of countries (i.e. more positive results)? That pandemics have occurred before and will occur again?

Geez louise

 

[hoopsaustin]

Ok, you're right... I lost it a little bit. To my knowledge, that was the first time I attacked someone on this forum. I will take it a step back and avoid direct attacks, as it is not a valid way to debate.

You guys have said a little about how he talks, but it comes across as "he just doesn't articulate things well"... as if he isn't a total nut. That's the frustrating part to a lot of us, I think. It's just downplaying how extremely dishonest, misleading, etc he really is when it gets wrapped up in a big blob of sugarcoating... "yea he just talks funny sometimes, but everything he does is super!"... That's how it looks to me.

Ok, so he closed the travel from China. Can you tell me how else you believe he handled this the best he possibly could? What about this do you admire? This is a legitimate question... I want to consider your point of view. From the beginning, what did he do right, and what did he do wrong... from the conservative viewpoint? I'd rather no go reading through 2,500 posts in case I missed it. Would any of you be willing to put a quick bullet list down? I haven't seen much of what he has done well, just defense from attackers on what he did wrong.

Hes not... hes the leader of the free world. Elected by a huge beat down via the electoral college against "the most qualified candidate for president ever". And YOUR president :ez-laugh:

 

[hoopsaustin]

i dont know that any early actions other than closing travel could have been expected of anyone. My existing gripe (other than trump's being trump) was the waiting for testing - the whole thing with his son-on-laws' brother owning the company that benefits from the slow down just annoys me as does any of that crap be it Biden or the Clintons of Trumps or whoever. I am sick of the rich constantly benefiting at the expense of workers.

I was worried about this 15 day thing and trump's emphasis on Easter but it appears he let smarter minds prevail and that press conference before last was actually a big step forward in my opinion.

the little just in time inventory thing he's trying to do with the ventilators ... I get it and it's a good idea given the need and the lag before our mfg. response kicks in. you can't ask him to take central authority and then balk when he does it and exercises control.

I think I am giving and have given trump a fair chance all along. it's his idiocy that turned my stomach on him.

I appreciate your post here. Its fair. Very fair. Thanks.

I can't fully get on board with your last sentence of the bolded paragraph. But a smart person realizes that all politicians are all the same. They fight on tv and then all hangout after eating caviar at the expense of us common folk. Theyre all crooks