March Madness and Covid-19

[SoonerBounce13]

I am very much on the left side of things, and I can tell you I sure as hell don't want the economy to suffer. I want the economy to change, certainly, but not because of system failure... nothing like this where people get hurt, sick, lose their jobs or businesses, etc... All of that leads to more depression, more suicide, more insecurity, etc than we already have. Nobody wants that, and none of the people I know on the left side of things want that.

System failure also doesn't allow the kind of change that people on the left want to achieve anyway.

That is such a mean-spirited accusation. You are basically saying half the country wants everyone to suffer, without any presented evidence.

Many young democrats are spouting out that they do not care if Biden is guilty of raping ten women and children, they would still vote for him to get Trump out. You think these same people don't want the economy to crash for the same reason?

 

[sheepdogs1]

go read twitter and facebook.

there is your evidence. It is literally everywhere

I was speaking to family members and the question was raised "what silver lining, if any, is there due to the virus outbreak." The #1 response was "we're burning less carbon fuels." What some ignore to realize is there is always something in the back of the back of people's minds. Always. And we have a name for them, ulterior motives.

 

[thebigabd]

Many young democrats are spouting out that they do not care if Biden is guilty of raping ten women and children, they would still vote for him to get Trump out. You think these same people don't want the economy to crash for the same reason?

I don't know how much I would use social media as a gauge on the rest of the country... Lots of those Twitter personalities are literally bots that do nothing but stir tensions intentionally. Some of them are even paid, on both sides.

Joe Biden is certainly not my preferred candidate (far from it), and if there is merit to this story he should step down.

While economic failure is extreme, it's not uncommon to encourage failure in policies that one side or the other doesn't like. The GOP did everything they could to ensure Obamacare failed, and they would do everything they can to ensure Universal Healthcare fails as well. They want the USPS to fail, they want social security to fail, they want Medicare to fail, etc.

On the other side, Democrats want to expose any failures in the immigration plans... They want GOP tax plans to fail... They want efforts to privatize education, etc to fail.

We certainly do not have a cohesive vision, which I think is very damaging... One side wins power, and uses a lot of their time undoing things that the previous side did when they had power... Then the other side wins, and puts it back, etc. It's a tug of war, and unfortunately we just have to deal with it, as citizens.

All that being said... I just wanted it stated that I strongly dislike Trump, and want political and economic change, but I in no way want to be caught up in the characterization laid out by hoopsaustin that half the country wants the economy to tank to get rid of Trump. That is a lot of suffering to get rid of Trump, and I imagine *most* normal folks share that opinion.

 

[BCSooners]

go read twitter and facebook.

there is your evidence. It is literally everywhere

Yikes

 

[sheepdogs1]

I don't know how much I would use social media as a gauge on the rest of the rest of the country... Lots of those Twitter personalities are literally bots that do nothing but stir tensions intentionally. Some of them are even paid, on both sides.

Joe Biden is certainly not my preferred candidate (far from it), and if there is merit to this story he should step down.

While economic failure is extreme, it's not uncommon to encourage failure in policies that one side or the other doesn't like. The GOP did everything they could to ensure Obamacare failed, and they would do everything they can to ensure Universal Healthcare fails as well. They want the USPS to fail, they want social security to fail, they want Medicare to fail, etc.

On the other side, Democrats want to expose any failures in the immigration plans... They want GOP tax plans to fail... They want efforts to privatize education, etc to fail.

We certainly do not have a cohesive vision, which I think is very damaging... One side wins power, and uses a lot of their time undoing things that the previous side did when they had power... Then the other side wins, and puts it back, etc. It's a tug of war, and unfortunately we just have to deal with it, as citizens.

All that being said... I just wanted it stated that I strongly dislike Trump, and want political and economic change, but I in no way want to be caught up in the characterization laid out by hoopsaustin that half the country wants the economy to tank to get rid of Trump. That is a lot of suffering to get rid of Trump, and I imagine *most* normal folks share that opinion.

Has most of the suffering not already occurred?

 

[thebigabd]

Has most of the suffering not already occurred?

Not even close... Many people haven't run out of money yet or gotten off the first round of unemployment yet. States are re-opening but that doesn't mean people are spending and going back out like they were before.

I saw an article that people hoarding money is now a threat to the economy.

The bottom line is... we live in a country that absolutely requires you to buy/sell goods AT ALL TIMES. Just because states are starting to open doesn't mean people are doing that at the levels they were before.... 50-60 days of disrupted commerce has threatened to bring the economy to it's knees. A scary thought, that the world's biggest economy can be so badly damaged in 50-60 days of disrupted commerce.

I mean, we are nearing 40 million unemployment claims during this period, are we not? Feds are issuing trillions in stimulus to keep people and businesses above water. This thing is hanging by a thread.

 

[Eielson]

We are just not going to be able to return to any semblance of normalcy unless sacrifices are willing to be made. If the workers at a university have to be replaced by those who are younger then so be it. To preclude the lives of college students, which are thousands per campus, for the sake of the few is not practical. Everyone is not going to be served cake here, given the circumstances we find ourselves in, and eat it.

One thing I will add, though, is that mandatory attendance for lectures is an outdated method that is mandated by dinosaurs that refuse to change. I definitely agree that lectures should be recorded for students to watch/rewatch at their leisure. Office hours will be a little tricky for some courses, but virtual office hours and email correspondance should suffice for most courses. Lab-based classes will suffer, though, and seeing as most are directly taught by younger TAs, I think those should continue.

If we need campuses open, I don't think we should hesitate to do so, but I could see the argument that it isn't necessary. Given all that has happened in less than 2 months of closures, I can't imagine shutting things down for close to a year. I feel that those measurements should be restricted to high-risk populations.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I don't know how much I would use social media as a gauge on the rest of the country... Lots of those Twitter personalities are literally bots that do nothing but stir tensions intentionally. Some of them are even paid, on both sides.

Joe Biden is certainly not my preferred candidate (far from it), and if there is merit to this story he should step down.

While economic failure is extreme, it's not uncommon to encourage failure in policies that one side or the other doesn't like. The GOP did everything they could to ensure Obamacare failed, and they would do everything they can to ensure Universal Healthcare fails as well. They want the USPS to fail, they want social security to fail, they want Medicare to fail, etc.

On the other side, Democrats want to expose any failures in the immigration plans... They want GOP tax plans to fail... They want efforts to privatize education, etc to fail.

We certainly do not have a cohesive vision, which I think is very damaging... One side wins power, and uses a lot of their time undoing things that the previous side did when they had power... Then the other side wins, and puts it back, etc. It's a tug of war, and unfortunately we just have to deal with it, as citizens.

All that being said... I just wanted it stated that I strongly dislike Trump, and want political and economic change, but I in no way want to be caught up in the characterization laid out by hoopsaustin that half the country wants the economy to tank to get rid of Trump. That is a lot of suffering to get rid of Trump, and I imagine *most* normal folks share that opinion.

Economic change? What? Trumps economy was booming so... you wanted change from that?

 

[paboomersooner]

You love you some conspiracy theories. LOL

I think what SD doesn't believe in is coincidences.

The "Orange Man Bad" in the Oval Office has endured and beaten back so many ill-fated attempts to unseat him, he has become a "Teflon Don" of sorts.

Because of how well the country was humming along prior to Covid, it was the general consensus inside the beltway from all angles of the aisle that the only way to beat him was for the economy to take a hit.

Now, I am not saying this pandemic was put into play by anyone for any nefarious reasons, certainly not. However, once this train got up to full speed, many rivals are not willing to put the brakes on in any capacity.

We all know what Rahm said.

 

[thebigabd]

Economic change? What? Trumps economy was booming so... you wanted change from that?

Answering that question would require violating the rules of this forum. Happy to discuss it via PM if you like.

 

[coolm]

What? Trumps economy was booming so... you wanted change from that?

I thought we were no longer talking political lies and other such utter BS in this thread? take your lies elsewhere.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don't know how much I would use social media as a gauge on the rest of the country... Lots of those Twitter personalities are literally bots that do nothing but stir tensions intentionally. Some of them are even paid, on both sides.

well now who is buying conspiracy theories?

:dance005:

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I thought we were no longer talking political lies and other such utter BS in this thread? take your lies elsewhere.

lol How is that a lie? The economy was booming. booming.

 

[Eielson]

Enough about Trump.

 

[sheepdogs1]

On the bright side of life, today is the 2nd day this month where there were no reported deaths in the state of Oklahoma. We also have 218 residents in the hospital seeking medical attention.

 

[SoonerJK12]

The percentage of recovered cases now exceeds 70%. Recoveries have outpaced newly reported cases for the past 3 days, decreasing the total number of active cases on consecutive days for the first time in months.

 

[Sooner04]

An acquaintance of mine at church is showing symptoms. Fever for a couple of days. Absolutely exhausted.

Calls the doctor:
"We don't have any tests. Call the health department."

Calls the health department:
"We don't have any tests. Call your doctor."

How infuriating. We're two full months into this thing and someone showing symptoms in a town of 100,000+ can't get tested. Good grief.

 

[BCSooners]

An acquaintance of mine at church is showing symptoms. Fever for a couple of days. Absolutely exhausted.

Calls the doctor:
"We don't have any tests. Call the health department."

Calls the health department:
"We don't have any tests. Call your doctor."

How infuriating. We're two full months into this thing and someone showing symptoms in a town of 100,000+ can't get tested. Good grief.

Where are you located?

 

[coolm]

lol How is that a lie? The economy was booming. booming.

that is a matter of opinion and lies in the realm of politics.

 

[tooney]

Local radio station says that you can get free tests at the county seat.....but you have to have symptoms of covid 19.

It's hard for me to think that a re-opening of the economy will work if half the people are afraid to leave their home. I fear it will only lengthen the time of the pandemic.

It would be nice if we had plenty of tests.....even the tests that could tell if you had already been exposed to covid would be helpful.

But it looks to me that we're headed to the "herd mentality" approach with little regard for the number of deaths.